#134 Ceinwen Roberts  – Choose to give 100% you

Step into the life of marathon swimmer and founder of the Port to Pub open water swim event, Ceinwen Roberts.

Ceinwen talks about how swimming was a key part of family life growing up and how, in her first Rottnest channel crossing, she found the spark and challenge that would lead her to becoming only 1 of 83 people worldwide to have swum the Triple Crown of Open Water Swimming. She also talks through her upcoming challenge to swim a 4-way crossing of the Rottnest Channel in March/April of this year that will see her swim for over 24 hours.

We then go into the story of behind the beginnings of the Port to Pub event that crosses the Rottnest Channel and the scale of involvement to manage such and event.

Ceinwen is a very grounded lady that gives off a magnetic 100% authentic energy – she is very clear that despite her achievements, she doesn’t she herself as anything special, just someone who is willing to open up to possibility and explore just what she is capable of doing. She talks openly about the challenges of balancing her full life that includes a family of two little girls and how swimming, and the ocean, is also a key tool for her to maintain solid mental health and stability among it all.

For the listener, you will be given a very clear example of the scale of what can be achieved if you actively choose positivity and gratitude as the basis to approach everything that life presents.

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Bryn 

Step into the life of marathon swimmer and founder of the port to pub open water swim event Ceinwen Roberts. Ceinwen talks about how swimming was a key part of family life growing up, and how in a first rottnest channel crossing, she found the spark and challenge that would lead her to becoming only one of 83 people worldwide to have swum the Triple Crown of open water swimming. She also talks through upcoming challenge to swim a four way crossing of the rottenness channel in March April of this year. We then go into the story behind the beginnings of the port to pub event, the crosses the Rottnest channel, and the scale of involvement to manage such an event. Ceinwen is a very grounded lady that gives off a magnetic hundred percent authentic energy. She’s very clear that despite her achievements, she doesn’t see yourself as anything special. Just someone who is willing to open up to possibility explore just what she’s capable of doing. She talks openly about the challenges of balancing her full life. They include a family of two little girls, and also how swimming and the ocean is also a key tool for her to maintain solid mental health and stability among it all. For the listener, you will be given a very clear example of the scale of what can be achieved if you actively choose positivity and gratitude as the basis to approach everything that life presents. So enjoy. conduit.

 

Bryn 

Hello and welcome back to wi real. I’m your host Bryn Edwards marathan. Swimming event management pushing boundaries, raising money for charities, just some of the things we will dive into today with my guest Ceinwen Roberts. Ceinwen, welcome to the show.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Thank you. Nice to be here.

 

Bryn 

So one of the questions I like to ask my guests right at the start is because it’s called wi real is how they came to be in who you were born here.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yes, yup, Born in Kalamunda in the hills. Yeah, so tell me what was it like growing up here in Western Australia?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

I mean, I don’t think I realised how lucky I was growing up here as I said in Kalamunda so we were far away from the ocean.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

But you know still lots of pools around Kalamunda and my mom and dad is swimming so as always around the pool and had lots of holidays down in yelling up and on rottnest Island, so pretty much can’t get a better place around the world I reckon to grow up. Yeah. Have you lived anywhere else? I’ve travelled a lot around the world, you know, for two or three years. So you have lived with a small stint at other places and there’s just nowhere like Perth, so totally. Yes, super. So, if we were to go through your sermon Palomar is it’s like, enormous with like countless trips to rottnest one way and English channel.

 

Bryn 

One Manhattan second fastest crossing the Catalina

 

Bryn 

Though

 

Bryn 

where does swimming? Come into Ceinwen story.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

So it is yeah, as I said, it’s kind of been ingrained with me since a little girl hanging around the pools with mom and dad and around that really good community. They were with Maida Vale Ozzy. And so I was always every weekend around them and they were my family. They looked after me, you know, your whole swimming club and

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

that kind of pushed me on to pull swimming. Yeah, I’m with my mom and dad. Also a poor swimmers and dad was a Welsh swimming champion. He taught himself. He told him himself have to swim out of a library book in Wales when he was 12. Wow. So that’s pretty cool story.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yeah, so me and my sisters. I remember begging my sisters to come swimming training with me so I could come more times a week. So Mom and Dad, you know, we’re getting up early for two or three of us, not just me. Yeah. They came kicking and screaming and I was always been

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Making them and dragging them to come to you the most focused out Yeah, I just loved it I just loved the challenge and pushing myself and pleasing my coach and you know

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

that they were the ones that actually succeeded and got their big national champions Australian gold medals, you know their rooms at home it just, it’s disgusting how many gold medals around the bedrooms, but I didn’t get any. I didn’t get on, you know, national team state teams or anything. Like I was still up there. I still competed at Nationals, but I just didn’t have the talent that they did, I guess, even though I was trading 10 times a week and everything. So it wasn’t until I kind of left school and started doing some open water swims, which there weren’t many of back then. Right. You know, there was the Bumbry one, the rockness swim through and then I actually was, you know, coming second or third and that’s like, Oh, this is what I’m better at. This is what I can do. And you know, click Yeah. And it was

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Really nice to get somewhere.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yeah, and I just enjoyed being in the ocean Anyway, it was exciting. You didn’t know what was going to be ahead of you. It wasn’t just a black line going back and forth, it

 

Bryn 

must have been like a huge amount of freedom.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Totally. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, one thing led to another and we’ve done teams for the rockness swim for quite a few years. And then something just I was like, Okay, I need to see what I can do now. And I needed to do a solo. And that’s when, you know, things just lifted to the next level.

 

Bryn  

What year was that in?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

  1. So I try I started training in May the year before, like, I was, I don’t think I’ve ever not swan. You know, you’re always swan. But that’s when I ramped it up and actually trained and focused on Okay, what do I need to do to get across there?

 

Bryn 

Were you aware of what you could go and do at that point, or

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

no, not at all. All the English Channel, there’s no way that could have entered my mind, you know, that was just way bigger than I could eat someone like me could do, you know, you say someone like me, cuz I’m just like, yeah, as I said just, I don’t know just an everyday person that, you know, it couldn’t they couldn’t make a state team kind of thing. So taking on at that time doing one solo crossing was That was my big ultimate goal. And I didn’t really say anything beyond that, like, let’s see what happens. And of course I did and it was awesome. I ran out the beach. I loved it. I partied all night at the pub. So I gotta do this again and see what else can I can do and so things are just kind of graduated every year from that bit by bit by bit. It’s like, okay, I could do that faster. I did that better. And then you know, the English title after a few beers and red wines were not, you know, okay, what needs to be done to do the English Channel?

 

Bryn 

Yeah. You unlocked the formula. Yeah. How we can do this now we can yeah and

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

there was a bunch of us you know, five or six of us so all kind of interested so we started having little meetings and you know looking into it and researching it and then the next thing it was bought and so that the whole next stage of trading started happening and yeah, you know, then after that, it was like, Okay, well what else is out there in the world? What other swims can we do when I learned about the Triple Crown and the Manhattan swim which was, you know, this big amazing prestigious event and just to enter it was hours and hours of work and resumes and to get it to get chosen to get in. And you know, that was an incredible experience for mates and you know, we we decided we were on the Australian team to go to Manhattan because we were travelling across. So we made our own betas with the Australia flag on it and yeah, had a fantastic time. We visited the you know, Consulate General over there and went to bed. spore games and they had our names up on big screen, the big screen and it was just really cool to be doing that kind of thing bit later in life. You know, feel over you when you’re doing this. About 2026 27 Yeah. And then I remember getting on the plane. So that was in June the Manhattan swim. And then, you know, I got really, really sick or sick for three months after that I’ve vomited so much I exploited a blood vessel in my eye, because the water was so terrible. Yeah. But still, I was on such a high and I say, Daddy, we could I could. This is swimming Catalina, you know, in America, and I’m so fit. I’ve done all this training through I can, I can go back and do it. And Yay. So three months later, we turned back around and went to Catalina and did the third swim of the Triple Crown just like that. But it was just kind of like a snowball effect. I was on a roll and it’s like what next? What next? What next? Yeah,

 

Bryn 

and then to the to triple crossing Toronto.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Oh yeah. So that was kind of got thrown in there as a bit of a training sweet. I remember rolling out a Holic who I trained with, he’s a bit nuts. You know, he’d done quite a few double crossings which I hadn’t done at that stage. Someone needs to do a triple, you know, someone’s going to do a triple who’s going to do it? Who’s going to do it? And then I just remember emailing back. Yep, I’ll do it. And then he was like, Are you serious? And then that started happening and you know, we got Andrew Forrest involved and walk free is what we’re doing it for a reason which made it even more exciting and more important and got that was the adventure of a lifetime. You know, doing that and the logistics involved and the unknowns swimming in the darkness. Yes, this channel in the future from midnight, it’s like okay, so we’ve I survived the first lap, sitting off at midnight swimming through the darkness. So if I survive That’ll be pretty cool. around and Oh, we got the worst conditions like we just had to go on that one weekend because the next weekend was Easter and you know, everyone was going away we needed a huge support crew and so that was the day it was a two metres swell. You know, Southwest I just was horrific. You know, to me, you were swimming into the darkness you don’t know where your hands landing dealings totally rolled over. We got to the shore and I thought I can’t swim a little bit not a stroke, let alone turn around and swim back again. I felt like I had 1000 knives to give back. And then we got to the beach and there was film crews there and all these people cheering us on and all these swimmers ready to swim back with us. Bloody hell, I don’t really have a choice here. Pop diffie nurofen and off we went. You know as the sun came up and I got to get warm and the nearer for the heat. It got better and better. Yeah. And then what’s the hit rato? Again I was like, Okay, well, this is just make making history we just gotta keep swimming in here like coming in 19 hours later my tongue in my throat was so swollen from the sea water that I couldn’t eat or drink anything. And I was starting to get a bit delusional It was getting dark and these white swans appeared like how cool is these they’ve sent out white swans to greet us and then they kind of disappeared in the water had turned brown and I thought it was chocolate so opened my mouth to get some chocolate in your delivery. So and you know, I got there and did all these interviews like I’ve seen these interviews I said, How the hell did I actually speak about modern day slavery, everything that I went up to the change rooms and had a shower and fainted and went to hospital because my sugar levels were at two. Yeah, that was so low that I could have gone into a coma. But I you know, learn so much Mentally, just to realise, to swim for 19 hours and to push myself for that long, you know, it’s just like, I could do anything, you know? Yeah, just like, what next? Is

 

Bryn 

it get addictive?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Or totally I’m totally addicted to it. Hmm. I love doing this stuff.

 

 

Yeah,

 

Bryn 

I mean, well, these films that you’ve done, it kind of puts you in the 1% of the 1% you know, the swimming royalty? How does that sit with you?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

People say that but I just doesn’t feel like me. You know? Cuz as I say that I’m just me like, I’m no one special. I’m just a person that loves doings and loving and happy in what I’m doing and giving it a crack and I’m a superhuman, like, look at me, I don’t have a swimmer’s body. I don’t have natural talent. So it’s just, you know, it could be anyone doing this and I really don’t think that I’m assuming royalty. I just think that the I laugh a bit when I hear that. Yeah, a bit embarrassing.

 

Bryn 

So, I mean, is there a drive behind it? What you do? Or is this just you channelling your essence and who you are.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

I just love to see what I can do. And I love having adventures and hanging out with my friends and, you know, having an banter and having fun and doing something different and crazy you’d like, if you can do that in life, why not do it? Yeah. You know, you only live once you know? YOLO Yeah, that’s what I always say. Because I’m fully aware, you know, you see people getting diseases and cancers and tragic things happening and, you know, I want to see what I can do before that happens to me, you know, and I want to make an impact on as many people and you know, help other people if I can through charity in some ways, raising awareness and, you know, now I’ve kind of been My business out of doing this what I love. And so I feel like Well, I’ve got to keep doing these things and yeah, it just makes me so happy it makes me so happy and positive and just keeps me going and I think it makes me a better friend and a bit of mother and a bit of wife. Because it makes me swimming makes me happy every day if I don’t, every day have a pretty grumpy get grumpy, grumpy, you know, obviously I’m addicted to the endorphins that it gives me and

 

Bryn 

yes love. Is that part of the he said, you know, you want to impact as many people as possible is that part of the impact just do the things that make you happy.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

That’s what seems to have happened. I do what makes me happy what I love and what I get a kick out of, and people around me love that and go and do their own their own version of crazy whether that’s just a two k swim or Yeah, signing up for a team or, you know, their first stepping stone to where I’ve started. years ago, you know, that’s cool. If you

 

Bryn 

look at what makes you a strong swimmer, and whether it’s, you know, physically or the way you swim or mentally emotionally, which one of those is the most important to you? Or they all in the part of it?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

I think it’s it’s all part of it. I mean, I only actually only saw my stroke videoed few weeks ago, underwater in my physio, said, Are you really flexible and that’s why you know, you very flexible ankles and shoulders and stuff. So that obviously is to see Yeah, but obviously, I’ve been swimming since I was about seven years old and I’ve got trained by very good, you know, Australian coaches met, right, Matt Brown and grant stoelwinder. So obviously, I got that technique drilled into me a long time ago, right. But, you know, since then I’ve just realised that it’s also what’s in your heart. And in your head and just gritting your teeth and you know, and I’ve learnt to work on that and get better at that side of things and kind of be tougher and stronger mentally inside. Each one of these swings each one of these crossings has taught me a different thing about what goes on the inside my head, right to make me better. So I think it’s get my technique as well as my mental ability. Yeah, as I said, I don’t think I have a swimmer’s body and I’m not tall and that V shape.

 

 

Exactly. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. And you must have had days when it’s like the voice in your heads going, What the hell’s going on or copy us together for how do you get over that?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

I never, I never thing I don’t. I don’t want to get up. I love getting up and going, you know, that’s my ideal is getting up and going for a swim like yeah could you know that would be my ideal start every single day as well as call it cuddling my little girls and my husband of course. But um but I’ve definitely had you know times when I’m swimming I had one whole rottnest swimmer I vomited the whole way from start to finish and I tried really hard with some you know, my squad who are all very competitive with each other and so I was just thinking, Oh, I’m coming last I’m gonna go so slow I’m going to do eight hours like this is embarrassing I should get out I mean useless what i doing this you know, the whole way I thought so in negative, formatted probably shouted at my poor husband the whole way You know, he was peddling kindly for me is such a negative experience for me. And I got to the end and I still did exactly the same time as I did the year before five hours 20 or something. Yeah, came third female overall exactly the same. And that was a real wake up call. For me. I was like, I could have just put turn myself around in my head, you know, yet gotten over myself, you know, tough enough of it and give myself a talking to and I’m actually enjoyed that experience being grateful to my husband’s support crew for being there for me. Yeah, and probably would have had an iced or better day out and maybe done better. But it was a real turning point for me. Yeah, you know, it was a real slap. Yeah, yeah. And so from now on, it’s made me be you know, get those niggles out and those negative thoughts sad and, you know, be grateful for being out there and for the people that are giving their time to me and helping me you know, big what I

 

Bryn 

say get them out. Is it not listening to them or just

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

tuning in? Yeah, getting rid of them. Like, okay, my shoulders are killing me or my back’s killing me. But okay, what do I need to stop that? How do I change that? Think about my stroke. Think about that. Think about something else, right? And don’t worry swim through it. Let’s just get started. Yeah, think about something you know that’s gonna get me there rather than something that’s going to make me stop.

 

Bryn 

Right?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yeah towards the end. Yeah. Yeah just turning those thoughts into something useful and positive rather than I want to get out I’m good it’s hurting I’m coming last I’m not doing yeah

 

 

good I should just quit now this you know that crap yeah ahead

 

 

Yeah. One of the

 

Bryn 

so I I’ve done one solo my time and one of the questions that many people asked me I’m ask you is what do you think about voice remake? I know my answer

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

yeah yeah so I I’ve got so many amazing people in my life my family it’s awesome and awesome friends so I think about them a lot and you know what I’ve seen and talked to them about lately or what you know I like to plan things I I’m an organiser and I like to plan things so I just kind of spin my table. What am I going to say that makes food start to make people laugh or have a bit of a giggle, you know, banter and that’s what I think about is my everyday life and my gorgeous kids who are just, you know, the craziest people I’ve ever met in my life. And what I’m going to see what I’m going to do with them when I see them next and what I’m going to do with them and the adventures we can go on here I just think about how cool My life is and how cool my friends and my family’s yet just literally makes me smile while I’m swimming.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, yeah. Tell me about your relationship with the ocean because, you know, trying to impose in the hills and then move into the ocean. And then you know, doing a midnight solo as part of the trip or and stuff like that. Do you think about you know, what’s in it? How big is is or you know, Did that used to scare you? Have you now reconciled that you push it away? Or do you embrace it? Or

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yes, I like I definitely am aware that they’re there. And I’m aware that the ocean can bring, you know, so many different factors, you know, whether it’s the weather and the, you know, the winds and the currents and tides and stuff like that, whether it’s stingers like I hate hate stingers, too

 

Bryn 

many people do, like

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

hate them, you know?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

And, but that’s all part of it. They’re there. And I mean, they’re their habitat. Yes. So I gotta cover whatever’s there. And, you know, I’ve kind of done my research on on sharks and I’ve been told by, you know, marine biologist, what they will, you know, what they’re like in their temperaments and, you know, just kind of think they’re not there for us, you know, they’re not after us that have given heard about us and, you know, I love this being in this ocean so much so whatever happens how So, you know, it could happen to me walking across the street, I could die getting hit by a car or whatever so and so I just kind of get it out of my head and not think about it because you can think about it and think, oh, When am I going to stick it’s done or when I’m going to get bitten? Or when am I going to get hit by a boy, you know, you could worry about all that, and have an awful, horrible negative experience. Or you can think of that, how cool is this? Like, I remember when I was swimming in the darkness at midnight, you know? I just thought, How cool is this? I’m in the middle of the ocean in the darkness, surrounded by my mates, flying Fisher everywhere. I don’t know what’s ahead of me. How exciting and liberating you know, and I just, you know, some people might think that’s a crazy way to think but I had the best time You know, it was crazy thrilling excitement. And that’s just how I had to think the whole way. A good friend of mine swam at the same time and he’s a very established swimmer like very comes from a swimming background a family’s swimmers. Great swimmer. And he just went into shock after 10 minutes, you know, it obviously got to him in a different way. He literally got into shorts it I need to get out. And I said he can’t get out now because no one can see as it’s windy, they can’t hear us, you got to keep swimming to the next food stop. And he kept swimming for a bit for a bit. Then the next thing he was pulling himself over a boat, because he was just like, get me out of here. You know, so I just had to keep my mind focused on the way I was thinking and feeling. Yeah, because otherwise he just go into that. terrifying. Yeah, flight response, I guess.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, yeah. And I find that I found that the more time you spend in it, the more you delay and delay and delay, so delay, any sort of fear you might have of the unknown, which is the enormity of the ocean. That’s right. And I found the more and more I spent time in it, the more the layers dropped away till I got to the point of curiosity about what I might say. And what would it feel like to see things?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Exactly. I think about that. I think if a shark came towards me, what would I do? Like, I’d actually just love to look at it and touch it all.

 

Bryn 

Nicely enough. I got to see a tiny shark. And I thought it was a gift. Because it went underneath and I was like,

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

That’s so cool.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. I chose not to tell anybody in my support crew until we got to the island. Yeah, well in the 19 came up. Yeah, I thought I don’t want them getting worried and pulling me up. Yeah. Everything’s I felt very calm and safe. But

 

 

yeah, awesome.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. So most of your big events have also been linked to charities. Why so?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

I think you know, a lot of people think of doing doing a soul or being a swimming is always a selfish sport. And it is because we see it on one level. And so I thought, well, if I’m doing this and if it’s going to get attention anyway, and it’s gonna, you know, if I can give back and help someone by, you know, kind of handling my attention to something else.

 

 

Yes.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

You know, I’m all for it. So the English Channel was for breast cancer care why? because my husband, cousin Pete was going, who’s my age was going through fighting breast cancer at the time, right? So I wanted to do it in her honour and she was able to watch me do you watch on the little.on the screen watch me do the English Channel before she passed away, but at least we got to raise our group raised $70,000 for bruschetta, kWh, or at least something you know, good out of that swim came, came out of it. The triple was modern day slavery. Walk free Yeah, which was Andrew Forrest campaign it was just being launched. It was, yeah, literally, that you want to set it off of the ground and got a bit of media and awareness and talk about that. And also makes me think when I’m having those dark moments. Come on, at least, you know, you’re not fighting breast cancer or you least you’re not, you know, a slave trapped against their will here I am doing something amazing for myself, and I’m fitting, I’m healthy, and I’m lucky. So, you know, it does help me in a positive way with my swimming as well. Hmm, yeah.

 

Bryn 

It’s interesting. You know, you talk about other people and it being a selfish endeavour, how are you with asking for help? Cuz I found that, you know, you can go run a marathon and all you need is your trainers, and you can take yourself off. That’s right. You can go and do a triathlon and pretty much do the same. Just take your bike in the car and you’re in Turn up, can you do the event? You want to go in swim to rottnest? Or you want to swim? Right? You have to have so many people for help. Exactly. And, and I got quite overwhelmed at the end of it when I realised just what everyone has done for me. Yeah. How have you gone with asking for help?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yeah, exactly. It’s awful. And you know what they give to you, he literally can’t do it without their support, he cannot do it. You can’t just go and swim by yourself. So as I said to you before I’m so my mom and my dad and my sisters and my husband just, you know, they just do it, no brainer, they would just do it and I would do anything back for them as well. And I think I love helping people and I would drop anything bend over backwards for anyone to help anyone in whatever they needed. And so I think maybe that’s why people do you know, I think people in other ways and give back to them. So, you know, I feel I feel like they will be But I do a lot to help them back as well. Yeah, and I just I try and make it an adventure for them as well and you know make them feel a part of it and because they are because you couldn’t do it without them so yeah, just being thankful and grateful and you know, I think I added up 27 times in total You know, that’s with teams as well and two boys as well. You know, so my Skipper rod who I ask every year and he always comes back and just pitched indeed him another jacket you know, he’s probably got a wardrobe of jackets but um, yeah, I’m so grateful for the for the help and gift but it is hard, but I just made the effort to thank them back as well.

 

Bryn 

So coming out of your swimming and into everybody else’s you’ve now set up the pub. Yeah. Why we already have Wanda stablish

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

yeah that’s an amazing innovator for me for years and years. That was my Christmas day you know? Yeah loved it. Yeah and Chris family love it serious he wants and i think i think a lot of students would feel the same way about it. Oh yeah, just the excitement and everything so amazing and advanced amazing history and you know, I had a little squad starting up and training people all year round wanting to do it. And then it’s got so popular that people was missing out and you know, I was missing out my swimmers were missing out and you know, the devastation that feels when you get in i’m not i can’t be a part of it. You know, I’m missing Christmas. And

 

 

you know, I’m

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

I’m in the hall of fame of the rottenness channel swim now and you know it it’s not they don’t take favourites, you know, which is a good thing. I think it’s a really good thing that, you know, people like Oh, if you’ve won the lotto sweet You should get an automatic injury or if you’re, you know, I’ve done it every year since the start, I should get automatic entry but, you know, then other people that want to give it a go can never get in. So yes, you know, it’s they’re a victim of their own success. And I think they made it make it fair across the board. Yeah. But there’s a limit to how many people can do it. So I remember standing in the, at the port Clement pool and someone said, someone’s gonna start another event, like, we need another option, and you should do that, Katie. Okay, so I kind of started talking about it with my husband. And, you know, I remember getting a group of people and advice and help and looking into it. And just to get applications in, we had to put a whole event together, we had to have rules and maps and risk management. And, you know, so talk about asking for help, like we were just pulling on so many strings and drawing for help and So, you know, it was a, it was a small core team, but we have a lot of friends and advice around us helping and then we put it in we got rejected. So it was like a year’s worth of work I really got rejected. So you have to get approval from the Department of Transport the Fremantle poor, you know, and various other stakeholders and it was the port that I think they were just like, not no way we’re not is the you know, we’re not, you know, having compromising our channel for another swim. Yeah. And so we went to Colin Barnett and kind of, you know, told him about it and the effects on the community and tourism and, you know, he was all for it. So he made it happen. Oh, right. He kind of read it and got it. So then all of a sudden, I think that was kind of, you know, that was it didn’t give us very long to actually Okay, we’re doing is I get a marketing team together and websites and open entries and you know, all these things there was it did not realise how much went into running event until we started doing it

 

Bryn 

for the listener at the moment because I would sit in here very, you know, your whole domain is different to when we were talking about swimming a minute. Yeah, yeah. Carry on.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yeah, yes. So it was full on and you know, at the time, and you know, I will you know, trying to buy a house and renovating and having we had a baby on the way and so did Jane Monday she was pregnant. And, you know, all of the committee were at a very stressful time of her life trying to do this weekend to be not every not all weekends, it was so much work that went into it. And you know, we got 600 people in that first year, and we pulled it off and yeah, a lot of work but a lot of amazing faces. Back in that feeling that I made, you know, so many people that helped to make that happen. And I think so many people had that sense of pride of making that community event happen and seeing people cross the line. And yeah, it was a real achievement not just for us and our committee, but for the community and consumers and go, okay, there’s another option and it’s actually, it’s all right, like, yeah, it went

 

Bryn 

to a point of difference.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Well, that’s the thing as well, we didn’t want to just copy and paste we want, you know, we wanted to have a point of difference. So starting in Fremantle, which, you know, that’s when the where the very first rottenness channel swim started. So you had to bring it back to their roots. Having that 25 kilometre ultra marathon was a diff point of difference, and we kind of thought that’s really going to put purse on the map worldwide. Yes. And, you know, everyone’s always looking for another challenge for the next step up and so many people are like now Yeah, you know, I really think that that is the 25 K is going to take off and we are getting more More people from around the world doing it and so that was a big point of difference and figuring out the course you know, okay, how do we make these 25 k do we do make them do an extra five k at the other end? Yes, but I just know as a swimmer getting to the other end seeing that island being that close mailing the bakery, you don’t want to swim another five K’s when you don’t be? So that’s why we have it to start with. And then if Hello Yeah, hello the normal rate across so

 

Bryn 

and also having a team of six as well makes it

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

doing it the same as six Well, there was a you know, just kind of knowing our friends and knowing so many people would love to be a part of it, but maybe a team of four, they just don’t have time to train that much or beginners who really want to do it but you know, can’t quite make the distance or nervous and too scared of everything else that’s involved in an ocean swim. So just giving them the stepping stone to try it and give it a go. And then we thought we’d introduce wetsuits because so many you know one of the biggest people raised People pull out it’s because of hypothermia and some people could never do it because they just get so cold. And if you’ve got a cold before, it’s a really horrible uncomfortable feeling. So, you know, we incorporated an assistive category. Obviously that’s not on the same bit of stool as as soul is doing a solo and they don’t get recognised, but at least they can say that they, you know, given a crack and done it, so, just a few little points of difference and then also being a swimmer and having done it myself, okay. What would I really love at the finish line? I’d love I’m standing in the sun. I don’t know where the hell my support crew or I mean, my baby’s getting bit, you know, yeah, I want to drink some fruit. I want a towel and what a hat. I want to have a shower. So we put all of that at the finish line. You know, we’ve got fresh, warm showers at the end and we’ve got a recovery tent where you can sit down, you can have a hot meal or some muffins, have cbssports messages, you know, methodology. You get a towel straight away, and so Many women actually emailed after that you’d said you could see a woman, there was a woman’s touch in that because, you know, being self conscious. We’re innovators at the end getting photographs, you know, just to be over to wrap a towel around you. Yes. Just made you feel more comfortable and welcomed. And, you know, we had this gorgeous, gorgeous DJ, DJ Dave, who’s a swimmer himself. And, you know, we’d asked him as for requests of what’s what some Do you want to come in over the line? What’s going to make you feel like a hero coming through the line. So you have that organised. So he just these little one percenters really made a difference to people as they came through. And, you know, we got that feedback, and people really liked that. And so we’ve worked hard to, you know, listen to people and what they want and, you know, they really professional and classy and thorough and safe. Yes, yeah.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. It was the Do you have a few Your vision for it or is it still? Is it where you want it to be?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

It’s really I mean, we sponsored by CHANNEL SEVEN, our little event, a little idea that we had. It’s now sponsored by these big amazing

 

Bryn 

what for five years.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yeah. So this is our fifth year. And so we’ve got, we’ve just kicked over 1200 people registered. So that’s our max that we’ve ever had. Yeah, we’re still open for a few more weeks. So, you know, we want to, you know, that feeling at the pub, and you’re there and you’re celebrating with your mates with the support crew, with those people that you’ve trained for. That’s, that’s the Christmas for me. That’s what I love is being there with everyone that’s sunbird and, you know, exhausted and, you know, happy and hugging each other. That’s the feeling that I love at the pub, and that’s what we want to keep.

 

 

Yes,

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

you know, so we’re gonna keep it so that it’s manageable and safe. We keep that experience at

 

Bryn 

the end. Low. Yeah. Look them friendly.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

That’s right. Yeah. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

Hmm.

 

 

How

 

Bryn 

do you balance this? Swimming and the positive swim squad? with family law?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yeah, it’s a real juggle. It’s a real struggle. And I think any couple with young kids, it life’s a juggle is hard. And yeah. You know, Andy and I both work early. We’ve got positive lifestyle training is mobile fitness training. So he’s up early every morning training people and I’m actually going off the swim squad every morning. So luckily, we get the help of a you know, opare Yeah, to help the girls when they get up and then I come home, hang out with the girls and get them off to school but it’s here. It’s constantly juggling babysitters and help and support. We have got beautiful families, but the grandparents love to help out as well. So they’re kind of on call and we’re, we’ve got an awesome community village around us helping us. Yes. And for me my swimming is my therapy as well. So yeah, that’s what settles me down and I can organise my head through my swimming and that’s my downtime. And sometimes I go down to the beach at 430 in the morning or 730 at night to get my swimming You know, when the girls are asleep it’s a good time for me to train or a jumping before and after my squads. But it definitely has grown and exploded and we’ve just needed to manage it as we as we go and do what we can to survive but um, yeah, it does get to be that out of a head at the moment. We’ve got to find ways to pull it back and you know, have little times to ourselves and Sunday mornings to ourselves and you know, it’s a family because I’m realise it’s such a precious time when they you know Darcys for And Jenna waves to now So yeah, I don’t want to miss it, I don’t know, be working and giving my time and to everyone else. You know, they’re beautiful little girls and you know want to give them a good, good healthy upbringing as well.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. So it’s quite a juggle

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

it is it’s really very hard and I don’t know if it’s going to get easier, we’ll see. But um, I’m just just floating above the water. So my thing

 

Bryn 

is that there are times when that becomes more challenging than going on a trip or crossing

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

100% So last year, Brian, I did five crossings, solo crossings, and I’m one of them in particular at the beginning was literally a mental health day. Like literally I just needed to get away from everyone and get away from everything and just have peace and quiet in my head. You know, I just needed to Yeah, get off my phone. And yeah, it was it was a mental health day. For me and

 

Bryn 

your mental health, I was swimming. Yep, that was john.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yep. Yeah, that was john. One of the one of the crossings, I was literally only supposed to support Yes, I was only meant to be swimming at I’d done my squad in the morning, zooms down to the beach, I was just going to swim out to the boat and support the guys and was so beautiful. And you know, Dane goes I just stay in for another half an hour. So I just kept on swimming and I was loving it. And while he was on the boat goes caddy looks like you’re swimming urato and I had a chuckle at a seminar the half hour I had no fading nothing planned.

 

Bryn 

I had all you had was a cup of coffee and banana

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yes. Oh, yeah. But I was like, Oh, this is a bit crazy. All right, let’s keep going. Let’s keep going and I think because it was no pressure on me, you know. I just kept going and I do that it was meant to and poor you know Dean and a head on of his era fades as well, to borrow some of his but um, yeah, I just love it so much. Yeah, literally that’s my time by myself.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. So that, that. So it’s not just everything else that we’ve talked about. It’s also the mental health aspect.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yep, definitely. Yeah. That’s my psychiatrist out there in the water and sorting things out and living living life. And I realised it’s not normal. You know, I get told a lot say

 

Bryn 

it’s not normal, you’re actually doing it. You’re actually doing something what is normal going and sitting in a room for 15 minutes talking to a complete stranger? And then and then do what afterwards? Yeah, you know, myself during that solid training found that the more time we’re spending the more things were just resolving themselves because what else you doing for three hours while you got a face down in the water?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

That’s right. Yeah. Used to Are you problems? If so, let your priorities

 

Bryn 

you just allow them to I think I think I found almost allowed them to sort themselves out rather than me mentally doing

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

exactly. That’s right. You’ve got so much time to just calmly process everything. And you come out finishing going, Okay, I can hear the life again.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, yeah. Oh, I know what to do here and I know what to do here and I know what to do there.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

And literally I get to rightness you know, have a quick beer and chips head back and go right. I’m back into mom mode now like, yep, let’s clean the house. Let’s get dinner on you know, I’m fed

 

Bryn 

and nourished on lots and lots of different levels.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yeah, but I’m okay now and I’ve done my thing. I’ve had my time and now I can give back to everyone else.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, yeah. I was actually listening to a podcast the other day with Gabby Reese and Laird Hamilton the big wave surfer and, and legends talking about the interplay between he can’t just be self fish go and chase big waves everything has to be settled and sorted in the house. But then, because of that, everything if he just did settled and sorted in the house and he would never be where he needs to be in this big wave surfing and the to feed each other has to do one to be good to be present in the other you has to be present in one to be present in the other and go round around and getting the same thing

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

lately.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. And anything last means that, you know, everybody doesn’t get to enjoy 100% conduit. That’s right. Yeah. And that would be sad. Yeah.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I love being able to give 100% of myself to everyone. And I can say people fade off. Yes. And, you know, but if I don’t have

 

Bryn 

so many people out there, I’m a little bit in but I’m a little bit out at the same time and I’m just a bit worried. I’m just a bit nervous, because don’t know and I might fail or my You know, yeah, so to be 100% in Yeah. is rare. Yeah. Beautiful at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think that’s why you attract the people you do like the networks you meet the, you know, the Andrew forests, that but you also have, you know, speak to some of the people who are friends are in your positive swim squad. They all say the same thing.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yeah, it does, you know, it’s like, like attracts like, isn’t it? You know, and our squad is just full of, you know, on our normal in our little bubble, you know of doing crazy thing. Yeah. Paint you just get swept along in it. And that becomes normal. And

 

Bryn 

it’s an exciting place to be, you know, crazy and exciting and crazy and exciting, but full of you open up to possibility and probability of things that you can do.

 

 

That’s right.

 

Bryn 

Yes. So when you sent me your Bye Oh here, you know, read through all the great stuff then there’s just this last line at the end of our four way swim to rockness back to Cottesloe to rottenness because they’re all within that one. So because it’s not been done

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

pretty much so my last swim My last kind of good you know crazy swim was around rottnest

 

 

so when was that probably 2014 spotlight

 

Bryn 

eautiful

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

so cool. Literally smile on my face. Well, I got stung the whole way around eight hours of getting stung wasn’t that great? But everything was so amazing. We just got that one day of the year that you couldn’t do it. You know, it was like the calm before a storm we were getting big fat rain drops it was hot and humid and oily flat. You know really, really come even around West End right? So I had to so came together and did that again with with wine and Jeff Wilson two of our friends that did the English Channel and all of those other swims with and had a great group around us and one of my friends you know, dad’s was the Wisp with Scott respect helicopter so we knew that they would come out and look out for it’s a bit and you just the sun rise that morning was incredible. And we started off swimming from Thompson’s Bay around to the natural jetty. And to get around they were I’d never been before and just the fish and we had seals swimming around us. Literally. I thought my head was going to bang into them. So playful and seeing rays and you’re just like, oh, what’s going to be around this corner? What’s over the stroke? It was like swimming in a beautiful aquarium. It was just so cool. And just knowing Rodney serving growing up around rottnest and seeing you know the landmarks and the beaches and A lot houses as we went and once we finally were getting back around, I was like, we can use the base and you know, we’re really home and yeah, it was such a cool experience, as I said apart along with that weather because it was hot and calm. Yeah, we got the stingers, but you like, Well, come on, you could, you know, you’re pretty lucky with everything else we’ve got. So I think it was 28 kilometres and we just, we just had a lot of fun. We had a lot of support swimmers around us as well and it was really good crew was really great adventure So, but pretty much after that. Yeah, I got I was pregnant, and I started that next challenge in life. Yeah, like some times I literally think that, you know, assuming a solo it’s much easier than being a mom like it’s hard, hard, hard work. So, anyway, so that that’s kind of the last crazy swim, and I’ve just, you know, dabbled with it. I’ve done videos with the nd in the water swims. The last few years and as I said last year, just kind of did a few more solos and that amazing woman, Sarah Thomas did a four way English channel crossing. And that just blew my mind. I just saw that and because she’d gone through chemo the year before. Yes. And honestly think thought, I don’t know if this is actually humanly possible, like, Can someone do this? And she did it and it just, I don’t know, I just got that fire in my belly. I just got that feeling back again. Yeah. And you know, started talking to a few friends about it and, you know, definitely would be possible if you got because the triple we didn’t get great weather at all, none any leg of it was good, you know? So, you know, we thought we got good conditions and

 

Bryn 

just looking at about what 24 hours of swimming

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yeah, it would be 2426 hours of everything goes well. And, you know, so kind of was doing these solos every few weeks, like once every three or four weeks we do one. So Dean Koontz is one of my swimmers. So yeah, just got a great attitude to life and very positive and very, you know, infectious to be around and he’s got a boat, which is very handy when you need to do a solo. So he would say, the weather’s looking good Should we go for it, we get our forms in and just go for it and kind of doing them. I was thinking, we were getting fit enough to do this or we can we can do it. So we put our forms in and started talking to people and it’s actually going to happen now. So we’ve got a three week window at the end of March. So we’re literally going to wait for the conditions Yeah, to be ideal for it. And it’s really exciting. Just having that something to focus on again and train for again and feeling fit again. Like I’m just really feeling so happy to have that drive and Once again I know it’s a lot on my family so I’m trying not to invade too much on their life and with poor pub coming up as well. That’s taking up a lot of time so got a lot on my plate but I’m you know, it’s all in the air and I’m juggling it.

 

Bryn 

We’re just training look like for you then

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

rush because I don’t have a big chunk of hours in the day. Like oh, I’ll get there a bit early before my squat at 530 and and do maybe two or three K’s then are jumping in, you know, do another half an hour after my squad and then I’ll go back down. Now we’ve got the shot net down at Cottesloe. Yeah, you know, you can cut up comfortably trained down in the ocean at night, which is we’re going to need to train for anyway swimming in the darkness. Because 12 hours of it’s going to be in the dark. Yeah. And yeah, so yeah, this friend of mine Dean Koontz. He’s just got a really I think we’re very similar pace. We can swim forever at that same comfortable You know where you get into that Xin you’re not really thinking about how fast we’re going we know that we need to stay at that we can’t get excited and get competitive go fast to make it we’re going to just have to go slow and steady. Yeah. So, and also white, Maurice White, you know who’s done all these other swims, he’s dead keen on doing it as well. And now we’ve got john Curtis who’s going to kind of see how he goes, maybe you do a double, maybe triple he’s just going to be a buddy swimmer for wine because they can swim at a good pace. Yeah. And then Dave and I, so we’ll both have our own, you know flotillas around us and sharp shields and paddlers and cruise around as

 

Bryn 

great venturing isn’t it?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

So, you know, it scares the hell out of me. Like I’m, you know, it’s

 

Bryn 

crazy. What is but I think this How does the scariness turn up for you?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Maybe it’s because I’m a mom now and I’m like, is this Stupid you know, what is something gonna happen to me? You know, and that that so that I think that’s because people are asking me that a lot so it does start to play on my mind. But um but I’m just putting everything in place to make it as safe as possible yeah and give ourselves the highest chance of of it being safe and successful crossing. My sister Sean is a doctor and she’s putting a bunch of research students around us which is so exciting for open water swimming as well. So this is going to be the first stage of it, but hopefully down the track we’ll do testing on on my solo swimming squad and English channel swimmers and, you know, get more investigation and research into cold temperatures and blood tests and, you know, body fat and nutrition and yeah, training and all of that kind of stuff. So that’s really reassuring to me that I’m going to be getting my Temperature monitored my blood sugar levels monitored we’re going to go out perfect conditions we’ve got shark shields are all around us not just on the kayaks but on the boats these are stronger ones that sharks you would have now come out with okay. You know to cover us in the in the dark. We’ve got we’ve got doctors on board skippers, both rod and jonte who will be Dean Skipper a really you know confident and professional and they just know what they’re doing. They know as they’re going to look after us. And we’re just going to have fun like we’ve got a good we’re getting a crew around us that’s going to keep us laughing and keep, you know, make this an adventure. Yeah, and all I’ve got to do is do what I love for 24 hours at a nice easy pace. And just, you know, see what happens and have some fun out there and I figure being a mom in those first few years. I have had two weeks of not sleeping with, you know, poor little sick children screaming all night. Like, it’s Hell, yeah. So if I can do that and then still have to get up and work and function and look after kids, I figure I can stay awake for 24 hours. Having an amazing adventure.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. Yeah, I love the outlook on it.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

So and we’re doing it for

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

to raise up well, I know it’s already a thing but to raise more awareness on plastics in the ocean, you know, we’re so lucky to have our beautiful ocean Yes, but you go somewhere like barley. I don’t know if you’ve been there recently. And it’s so depressing, you know, running down the beach over all this rubbish in plastic. And, you know, I honestly think in a few years time, you’re not going to be able to go to Bali anymore because it’ll, you know, my girls aren’t going to be able to go to some places or swimming some places because it’s so dirty. And we’ve got an opportunity now to do something about it. And none of us can be perfect plastics are around us. They’re in our life. But if we can make little change Does every one of us make little changes? It’s going to make a worldwide difference. And so we’re, you know, people might laugh at this but so when you’re doing a solo, usually you use a lot of plastic bottles, plastic pop top juice bottles, for example. And so in one crossing, he might use 20 of those pop top bottles. Yeah, along with any other place, you know, glad Ziploc bags and stuff like that. So that’s just me right doing one crossing. So doing four of those, that’s going to build up to a lot of plastic bottles. Now in the rockness channel swim this year, there’s 500 soloists, yes. So 500 people times all of those bottles, he’s huge. Okay, so what we’re going to try and do with these closing is we’re coming up with ways of how we can reduce that. So we’re going to have some big you know, the big drink containers with the

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

you know, you press the button.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

into a little flask like these little, like a Yeti tumbler that will keep it cold. It’s got a magnetic little lock on it. So there’s salt water can’t get in. So they’ll throw it to us. We’ll drink it down, throw it back, and they just need to refill it every time. So yeah, so you know, it’s going to be a little bit harder logistically for the support crew, but we’re trying to do exactly what else are they doing? But um, you know, and I just think if people can apply that to everyday life and make small little changes, yeah, it’s gonna make a big worldwide difference. So we’re doing it for the hashtag no plastic waste. Yeah. And yeah, we’ll just see, see where that goes. And so, you know, people in this water swim or in the port to power for us to come can make those changes and change the way that people think it’ll make a difference.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, yeah. For Where do you think Western Australia would be if more people got in the ocean more.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

I think we’d have a lot of A lot happier community, community a lot less mental health problems, a lot less depression, fitter people, you know, living longer and not getting a stick. I honestly think I don’t know if it’s a myth, but I think being in the salt water queue is a lot of sicknesses. I swim all through the winter in the cold. And I think that helps you fight off colds and germs. I don’t know if it kills the bugs or if it’s a mental thing, but, you know, I feel it makes your immune system stronger. Yeah, so if everyone was, you know, I love seeing those legends in the middle of the night. You know, they’re in there. Sorry, not early morning. They’re kind of in their 70s 80s 90s every morning that’s been their routine. Their whole life dipping in the ocean and having a little splash in the swim in a coffee. If everyone did that, I think we would just be such a happy, happy state. Yeah, it brings people together. You know And that’s just the cause of such you know, loneliness and you know not having that endorphin rush it’s just the cause of so much depression loneliness and anxieties and stuff like that so yeah I think in something

 

Bryn 

bigger than yourself

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

exactly big and it’s Mother Nature and it’s going to who knows what every morning is going to bring you know, and the beauty it brings you know, the morning waking swimming alongside those Norfolk pines and seeing the sun rise and then you look on the other side of the moons there it’s just like, how cuz life i would i would have been bed right now, you know?

 

Bryn 

Yeah. What have you learned about yourself on all this journey?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

I just learned how to be a better person by being positive and by giving to people, makes you better makes you positive and makes you stronger, giving to people you know, it comes back to you Hitting fold. And just the way that you think about things and take on things in life, you know, from, from what I’ve done with my assuming it’s just transferred over into, into life in business and into relationships and stuff like that, you know, working through problems and pushing through things and you do come out the other end, you know, yeah, you finish an event you finished in a race you wake up the next day, it’s another new day, you know, that’s going to whole new adventures or new problems or you, you know, dilemmas, who knows what’s going to happen, you know, get through it, it finishes and you can start again. Yeah, so it’s really, you know, I’m not perfect I’m not saying I’m a wonder woman are perfect, but I’m still learning a lot about myself and about other people and I’m just so lucky to be around other people in my life that got the same attitude and you know, helping me three

 

Bryn 

be doing Yeah.

 

Bryn 

What does the next Three or four years look like few like crazy adventure, which you can’t even fathom at the moment.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

I’m just, you know, I’ve got this amazing group of swimmers who they’ve got their own goals so I’m helping them through that and that must be reward is wicked. It’s the best feeling ever. You know, I had two summits last year, do the Catalina crossing and being there with them and their families and teaching their families like how amazing their salaries or their husband is, and, you know, this is what they’re doing. And, you know, it’s just the coolest thing and having the honour of swimming in with them to the finish and seeing them achieve it. It’s just, you know, the best feeling Yeah. Yeah, it makes everything or the I invest a lot of time and hard. I can, you know, I get emotional about them and worry about them a lot, but it makes it all worthwhile. So, you know, my goal is helping them my goal is you know, port to pub and seeing That grow in a bit. You know, my number one, my number one is my family and looking after them and I’m learning as I go. There’s no guidebook on. No, you know, I had, you know, I’m sure as I get older, the problems are just going to be different. So that’s a whole challenge and I just want to be, you know, I’ve got the best mom and dad I could have ever asked for they couldn’t have done anything better. So, I want to be like that for my girls. And, and my husband, you know, he’s solid as a rock and puts up with so much for me, like I’m a bit headstrong, and you know, and a lot of people want my time and, you know, I’ve got a, you know, he’s just amazing. So I’ve got to make sure I look after him and my girls and

 

Bryn 

yes, the key card grounded. Yeah,

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

totally. I’ve got to pull myself back to them. That’s the most important thing.

 

Bryn 

The last question I asked all my guests, is if you could take a little nugget of knowledge, you know Cameron’s nugget and apply into the collective consciousness. Everyone just gets it. What would it be?

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

I think Be kind to people give give to people. And you’ll get it. It’ll come back to you. It makes you feel good and it’ll come back to you. So yeah. give to others and be good to others and show kindness to others. Yeah,

 

Bryn 

it’s been absolute pleasure talking to you today.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Thank you. Great fun if

 

Bryn 

you taking entries all the way up to the last day or

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Yeah, so Bravo channel seems this Saturday and we stay open for one week after we close on the second of March. So there’s still time to get interesting.

 

Bryn 

So time to get Andrews Yeah. And if people want to come and find you where they find you.

 

 

Do you mean physically you will if you know, I want to go.

 

Bryn 

I’m not gonna give him your address. As in someone’s sitting there listening to this. It goes We’re going to swing my comment.

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

Oh, cool. So positive lifestyle training. So that’s our business and you know, positive swim squad is a branch of that. And all of my times and squad and what I offer is all on there and we go all the way through and yeah, give me a cool

 

Bryn 

stuff. Thank

 

Ceinwen Roberts 

you. Thank you Bryn Cheers.

 

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