#135 Paul Ford – Gongs and Sound Therapy  

Journey into the visceral world of gongs and sound therapy with Paul Ford of Gongwalkabout.

Paul, also a counsellor and psychotherapist, shares the story behind how gongs came into his life and how he began to offer sound healing to the world. He explains the fascinating process of how gongs are made and how from the outset they are designed and crafted to create and evoke a response in people.

Paul explains how the power of gongs, and their sound, lies in their ability to stop people and almost force them to be present in themselves and to be aware of what’s going on inside in that moment.

Paul is a deeply thoughtful and gentle man and I was very flattered he shared his wealth of experience with me in this conversation.

For the listener, you won’t just learn about this truly mystical instrument, you will also be challenged to open up to the perceptive of sound as a healing tool as well as be invited to become curious about de-layering yourself to reveal your real authentic self.

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Bryn 

Journey Into the visceral world of gongs and sound therapy with Paul Ford of gone walkabout. Paul, also a counsellor, and a psychotherapist shares the story behind how gongs came into his life, and how he began to offer sound healing to the world. He explains the fascinating process of how games are made, and how from the outset, they are designed and crafted to create and evoke a response in people. Paul explains how the power of gongs and their sound lies in their ability to stop people and almost forced them to be present in themselves, and to be aware of what’s going on inside at that moment. Paul is a deeply thoughtful and gentle man. And I was very flattered that he came and shared the wealth of experience with me in this conversation. For the listener, you won’t just learn about this truly mystical instrument, you will also be challenged to open up to the perception of sound as a Healing tool, as well as being invited to become curious about the layering yourself to reveal your true real authentic self. So enjoy, Paul.

 

Bryn 

Hi, welcome back to WA Real. I’m your host, Bryn Edwards, gongs and sound therapy or where we’re going to today, my guest, Paul Ford. Paul, welcome to the show.

 

Paul Ford 

Thank you Bryn. It’s a pleasure to be here. Thank you.

 

Bryn 

And we first met a couple of weeks ago at the Perth trial series where you were starting the race with an enormous guy.

 

Paul Ford 

We did yes at the Perth trail series. They do a Qi Gong race event. Yeah. I’ve been there three times now.

 

Paul Ford 

Yeah, that’s where we met. I took my pasty. 16 years gone because they like to have something to start the race. And of course, to bring the people back in. So it’s almost like when I’m playing, I’m calling them back in, come back, come back. Yeah, it’s almost like as well, you know, there you go. And then it’s almost like a celebration of that they’ve made it back. It’s something guy never considered doing before until I had the request from them. And in that moment, a fortnight it’s not really me, but

 

Paul Ford 

yeah, me be me.

 

Paul Ford 

I fought. Why the hell not? Yeah, it’s different. And it’s going to offer something different to me. And having experienced that crew now every time it’s I meet a lot of people, and I’ve made connections through there.

 

 

Hmm.

 

Paul Ford 

But it’s nice to be out there in the boat. With the goal Yeah. You know, sometimes I look at these people and think you’re crazy.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, what you’re doing.

 

Paul Ford 

But that’s their thing.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, Indeed, indeed. And it was fun. That conversation I was really keen to have you

 

Bryn 

on the podcast.

 

Bryn 

So one of the questions I like to ask my guests right at the start, because it’s called wi rail. Yes. And you like myself, originally from England? From the Midlands? Yes.

 

Bryn 

And you like myself came here in 2010? We do. So how did you end up in Western Australia?

 

Paul Ford 

Okay, so I began dating with a lady.

 

Paul Ford 

Two weeks into the relationship. We were having an Indian, you know, a meal and she’s like, no, by the way, I’m going to Australia. I’m like, Oh, you for that moment for you know, what am I doing here? Then she says, you know, what, if we work out, why don’t you come with me? And I thought, well, how we’re going to do this. She says, Well, look, you know, I’ve already started the process. If we work out great, so let’s look at this a bit more. And of course, at the time I was working as a mechanic. The mechanic was on the wanted list at the time, I think it still is. So about a year later, he says, Okay, we’re comfortable with each other. Let’s do this. So I was assessed by you know, TV and they fly over to England. I did a days let’s say supervised, you know, examination, and I passed. So I was given the go ahead to come to Australia if I wanted to.

 

Paul Ford 

So that was around 2008 2010. We flew here

 

Paul Ford 

on a holiday visa of all things.

 

Paul Ford 

And I found a job within a week. He agreed to sponsor me as a mechanic. I then got the temporary visa within a year got the permanent visa. And here I am today. So last year, I actually became an Ozzy Yeah, little bit late, but better late than never Yeah, so I have that freedom now to come and go as I want. So yeah, that’s how I got to Australia. It’s with the assistance of somebody else, you know, unfortunately, no fig no longer figures in my life. But, you know,

 

Paul Ford 

I, I never wanted to come to Australia before I was gonna

 

Bryn 

say what did you know about what?

 

Paul Ford 

You know, I had friends who went to Australia came here and they’re like, wow, it’s great. It’s amazing. I’m like, No, I didn’t even want to get to Spain on holiday.

 

Paul Ford 

And so I still think to this day, you know,

 

Paul Ford 

why, or how did I get here? Was it sort of some kind of destiny meant to be thing you know?

 

Paul Ford 

But I’m happy being here. But also happy travelling as well. So I do go back to England, maybe once a year every two years. Yeah. Not necessarily to see family. Yeah, but more so for actually, you know, I have this connection with Gong and I like to go to England to meet people who play I like to go to Germany.

 

Paul Ford 

So yeah,

 

Paul Ford 

I’m happy here. I consider it home. But we’re, you know, I’ll stay here or not. Who knows? Who knows?

 

Bryn 

Yes. So, as well as your passion for playing golf, which will come into in a minute. You’re also a counsellor and a psychotherapist. Yes.

 

 

So,

 

Bryn 

you know, and you use the gong in in therapeutic events as well. So this is quite a focus of your health and healing in what you do. Where does that come from in the pole.

 

Paul Ford 

You know, when I was 16. I used to sit and listen to people. And people used to come to me and use the chat chat chat chat. This is what’s going off for me. And I don’t remember what I used to do at a time maybe I just sat and listened and that’s what they needed. Or maybe I contributed something, but it was helpful. But at the age of 16, I said to myself one day, you know, I want to talk to people and I knew there was this profession as a counsellor at the time. And I decided then that one day I would like to do that. Then life being life took me on a roller coaster of different experiences, and that got thrown into the background. Yep. And so it wasn’t until I actually came to Australia. But I actually came across this, you know, this advert in the paper, become a counsellor.

 

Paul Ford 

I thought

 

Paul Ford 

I’d forgotten about that. Right. I’ve just been reminded.

 

Paul Ford 

So my intuition says, you know, look into this, you know, so I did I applied, I did. Let me think I did this online, semi online and, you know, in Perth as well, a free course and I gave myself a diploma. So yeah, I was excited about that, but I knew that was just an intro. Production to what I really wanted to do. So then I took that forever. And then I experienced five years of training in a particular form of psychotherapy, I would call it called Gestalt therapy. Yes. Which is, you know, an awareness based therapy. So yeah, I recently graduated from that. And since then I’ve decided I’m going to put myself out there now and see what happens. And so I’m working with people now. And so I’m combining the people work with also the gong work as well because they complement each other. Yeah,

 

 

how sir.

 

Paul Ford 

So I look at that I look at it like this, you know, people My interest is in how people organise themselves in life, you know, when they meet their world or when the world meets them. They meet people, when we meet people. My belief is we’re automatically making adjustments to ourself our presence, who we are availability With each and every person we meet, and we become adaptive, I guess into how we feel about what’s happening, what’s going on what’s being presented. So, when I bring the gong in, it’s almost like I’m working with that space between a person and the gong, how they approach that gong how they play, are, they might play with me according to how they perceive their world or themselves in the moment. So it’s almost like, Hey, is this instrument is our world? How is this person organising themselves in that moment, relative to how they believe about themselves, maybe their competency, a belief of how they should be met, perhaps what they should be doing. So when I work with this, I sort of encourage people to pay attention to how they are and how they can be relevant seeming to be

 

 

Yeah.

 

Paul Ford 

So it’s going for that authenticity, that authentic self by paying attention to how they are in a moment and not paying attention to what they should be perhaps. Yes, because there’s a lot of this in the world, you know, this is how you should be cautious as you should be like this professional say you should be like

 

Bryn 

your last shooting on us. Yes.

 

Paul Ford 

So it’s almost paying attention to Okay, let’s have a look at this short does it really fit for me is actually offering me anything apart from behaving how somebody else might want me to be? Yeah, but not how I, you know, naturally.

 

Bryn 

And it’s interesting you consider that because the moment the moment you consider that, and the moment you reflect on it to be true, or you’ve had the experience of that, then can almost open up this existential trap door of

 

Paul Ford 

the bloody, you know, because, yes, maybe we’ve never truly known ourself.

 

Bryn 

Because we’re always we’ve always been

 

Bryn 

ingested and projected injecting, putting this out putting that out or responding to what comes

 

Paul Ford 

In an when we actually get a taste of who we are who we’ve never known shit, that can be scary. Yeah. Who’s a stranger so well, actually like this person who like I’ve I am but I’ve never known. So naturally I’m going to lean towards default to be the super personal I shouldn’t be, according to my world

 

Bryn 

Yeah, and who’s comfortable with and is controllable and predictable

 

Paul Ford 

because it offers us a sense of safety but when we actually get in touch with you know, me

 

Paul Ford 

it’s almost like we go into that space of vulnerability, you know, oh, my goodness, this is this is unknown. I don’t feel safe here with myself as I am perhaps. I’m going to reach out and grab something can.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, quick grab a life raft,

 

Paul Ford 

but it is it’s going in a sense of being supported to as well. You know, this is the work I bring in. It’s actually not making somebody go to that place. It’s encouraging A person to offer themselves with difference. Get a taste of that. You know if that fits and it feels nice, then we can continue but if it’s actually a little bit too much we can say Hey, that was good enough for today. Let’s just hold that here.

 

Paul Ford 

Yes, yeah.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, so it’s

 

Bryn 

incremental step.

 

Paul Ford 

steps. I hear some people talking about picking away at who we are. Yeah, and I liked it when you hear people talking about peeling the onion away and sometimes peeling the onion way can be a little bit too quick because we’re not sitting grabbing it. Okay. This is fresh. This is rubbish shit. It’s too much. Yes. So we just have a little pick something maybe a peel it back, have a look okay. And there’s an opportunity there. This is somebody I can see where I know. Now I can go there and experience myself as that person be selected. No, it doesn’t fit for me. And I’ll put this put that back and acknowledge myself as today. That was my availability. My own agency. Yeah. capacity.

 

Paul Ford 

Yeah. And then another day, we might go back and have another look.

 

Paul Ford 

So this fits in with the gameplay but also fits in with the therapy it was in counselling, you know, it’s an encouragement for people to offer themselves with difference. Now we can experiment with a difference.

 

Paul Ford 

It’s going to be unfamiliar, there’s going to be maybe a sense of Wow, what the hell am I doing?

 

Paul Ford 

Yeah, it’s always paying attention to what’s going on for the person in that moment. And holding that in regard.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, yeah. When you say paying attention

 

Bryn 

to that person in the moment, what, what is it? They’re paying attention? Well, as for myself,

 

Paul Ford 

now, I’m sitting here I can feel my heart beating profusely. Now, me sitting here with you. This is the first time I’ve done this. This is a vulnerability for me. Because I’m usually a very reclusive person. I keep everything to myself. But deep down I want to be known. I want people to see Paul and I want people to know Paul for who he is, you know, remain in the background in a sense of everybody else, you know, I’m happy staying in an omen doing my bit online or reading a book. Whereas I couldn’t be out there. I couldn’t be here which I am today. In a sense of reality, let’s see what happens. And somehow that fits in with how I’ve been in the past. I’ve had to figure myself organise myself in the past. It’s something that I’m bringing into now.

 

Paul Ford 

Is it helpful or not?

 

Paul Ford 

Alone? You find out by being here with you today?

 

Bryn 

Yeah. Because I found for myself recently.

 

Bryn 

checking in and being with myself has been almost like a very physical, emotional thing because I’ve

 

Bryn 

been so very busy and yes, in the head and the stories and the anxiety and the drive

 

Paul Ford 

We can be very busy in the head and it’s it’s weird a lot of people default to but we’re also very busy in the body

 

Paul Ford 

but it’s easy to

 

Paul Ford 

switch off from that yes I’m in my head I’m thinking thinking is good enough thinking you know continue places which actually Can you take me away from actually experiments experiencing myself as a body and it’s easy to you know split you know we can be body we can be mind we can be spirit we can be soul but we’re all one you know yes it’s all there’s one you know, but it seems to say I hate my body

 

Paul Ford 

you know? This you? Yeah, the bodies Yeah, yeah you’re hating yourself in that statement.

 

Bryn 

You know, but

 

Paul Ford 

yeah, how far do you want to go with this?

 

Bryn 

No, I think it’s

 

Bryn 

it’s a valuable evaluation is a necessary conversation to have yourself because otherwise you can let you know by just entertaining what we’re spoken about in and of itself, and you realise that we live very inauthentic lives we can do and a majority

 

Paul Ford 

Yes, it’s so easy to do that unconscious. Yes, I know authentic. I don’t like the word expert, but I could consider myself an expert on myself because I know myself, Robin, another therapist, who am I go for supervision with but I could consider them an expert because then they can help me support me somehow to experience myself in a safe and supportive way with empathy, but I only know me and so as you say this out of awareness, this you know, some conscious behaviour experience. That’s in a sense, that’s when we’re making those adjustments in our world to suit ourselves in the moment. And it’s developing awareness of how we do that. But makes the difference I guess, I would say so. You know, I could have bailed out of coming here today for for fear of you know, I might fuck up. I might not know what’s

 

Paul Ford 

on my you know, I might just go quiet in

 

Bryn 

or any other awful

 

Paul Ford 

I’ve introduced a deficiency by actually saying okay I’m gonna get support and come here. Yeah, I’m glad you have I’m actually happy to be here. I’m enjoying you know our experience here yeah

 

Bryn 

so the gongs

 

Paul Ford 

Yes. How did you first get into them?

 

Bryn 

Did they first come into your life?

 

Paul Ford 

Okay.

 

Paul Ford 

I’ve told this story before. I know I should say to him because I enjoy it. I think lived in England at the time and I was quite a regular Glastonbury Festival drive. And I was there in 2004. And I was really high. And I was walking through the festival site, and I could hear this glorious sound. I didn’t know what the hell it was. But it was compelling it was drawing me to find it so I spent some time tracking it I guess as you could say. And I came across in an area called the healing fields. This this guy with this huge gone the same size as the one you’ve seen me with a long gone down. So 16 inch gone. And this is German guy there and I could see it got people to lie down underneath and he would swing it back and forth and play it.

 

Paul Ford 

And maybe me super curious sat there for ages and it was a time in life where I was practising meditation. So for our

 

Paul Ford 

I’m just gonna tune in, as you might say, and I was there for hours.

 

Bryn 

Yeah.

 

Paul Ford 

I could see people coming and going and I’m sat there on the grass, you know, as you do your legs crossed as, as you should. And I decided I need to experience this. So I approached him and he says, Yes, 15 pounds. I’ll put you underneath and you can experience my gang what I do, and I’m like, baaga I’ve got to go and find some cash. Yeah, so of course, it’s an over our back to the only ATM on the festival site. gets there comes back.

 

Paul Ford 

He puts me on underneath and

 

Paul Ford 

you know, he plays this gone, and I’m like, Oh my God. I don’t

 

Paul Ford 

know. 1520 minutes later, he sort of slides me out, picks me up and Funny enough, he fractured my back with a whole heap of peacock feathers. Right? No, I’m not sure whether this was a like a grounding exercise to bring me back. You know, like this is where you are and your body. Come back ball. Maybe

 

Paul Ford 

but I remember feeling really nice.

 

Paul Ford 

But yeah, so

 

Paul Ford 

in that moment I knew I’d been impacted by the sound of this Gong huh what did

 

Bryn 

we say impacted me not

 

Paul Ford 

physically well physically I remember self as being this vibration this this this one is almost like an amalgamation of different ones I was vibrating. I know I know there was the influence of drugs at the time but this was something different I’d never experienced

 

Paul Ford 

so I stood up and I found the guy and I said I’m gonna have whatever was one day Yeah, just like that just like that. I walked away

 

Paul Ford 

Yeah, and nothing I carried on with my life journey.

 

Paul Ford 

Couple years later my youngest sister Joanne she been to a German market when she she calls me bright all the time. She’s Hey bro up boys. Something I You like this? I don’t know why I felt compelled to buy you. So she sat there with this was known as the singing bowl. Brass one. And she says, look, I think you just hit it with a stick in. This is nice. She says I think you have to rub it as well. So I might ruin this stick along, you know the outer edge of this bonus

 

Paul Ford 

slide. Oh, this is beautiful.

 

Paul Ford 

And was this finance, you know, I spent weeks practising this. And then maybe six months later, I had a whole load of them. I did this eBay frenzy at the time because at the time you could find good ones in eBay nowadays. Now.

 

Paul Ford 

So I had a whole collection of them.

 

Paul Ford 

And I thought I need some accounts for this. So I bought a gong.

 

Paul Ford 

It was a Chinese one known as a winning Gong

 

Paul Ford 

sorta It’s reminiscent, you know, of the sound of wind crushing, blowing, and almost sometimes the sound of the sea, you know, waves. So I would spend time, you know, in the wings playing these instruments over and over and over. And my journey started by actually offering this as a kind of relaxation therapy to people around immunity.

 

Bryn 

So with the bowls, and yeah, I would actually got straight into offering it out. Yeah,

 

Paul Ford 

I would go to these places like, particularly was, like, spirits, just churches, you know, they contacted me, and I knew them through friends. So I would go to these places and people would actually come along, lie down on the floor, I’d play these bowls. I’d introduce the gong, we’d introduce some silence or meditation and yeah,

 

Paul Ford 

it was wonderful.

 

Paul Ford 

And I will From there from the community art into travelling around England to different festivals and different events. I ended up in Wales in the south of England. Yeah, that’s I got about Yeah. And then it got close to the time where I sort of came towards moving towards Australia.

 

Paul Ford 

I have just packed everything away.

 

Paul Ford 

My focus is on migrating here.

 

Paul Ford 

So I came to Australia, everything was in boxes.

 

Paul Ford 

And I’d left them in England and they didn’t come across with you know, all our possessions at the time. Yeah, so it wasn’t like two years later and I’m noticing this trend in Perth where people are coming out and playing gongs and doing sound healing and I this you know, experience of feeling but you know, I could be doing this I’m I’m there’s something missing here for me. I’m not being out in the community is almost a sense of, I guess, envy but these people you know what popping right? I wasn’t doing anything.

 

 

Yes.

 

Paul Ford 

I felt bugger. So I had to pay to get all my stuff over here.

 

Paul Ford 

And I started offering myself slowly in and around Perth. Yes. It was a very slow introduction.

 

Paul Ford 

Yeah, it made a difference to myself.

 

Paul Ford 

Hmm. So I Did that answer your question really about how Yeah.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. So it’s been a slow organic?

 

 

Yes.

 

Paul Ford 

I’m not.

 

Paul Ford 

Now sometimes I could, I would say be different and put myself out there. No, this is my experience at the moment. I love times where I’m happy to sit there and not be known. But I know if I’m not known, nobody will come to me or nobody will deal with me. Yes. I’ve had this experience this week. You know, one of the things I do is I create gone mallets for people to play guns with Yes. And I’m sitting there thinking, you know, why is nobody buying from me? And then I think when I’m not promoting myself as much as I could be, so of course, then I promoted myself on Facebook and in two days, I’ve had four or five inquiries and people who bought mallets off me. So it’s, it’s impacting me way, but unless single No, nobody will come to you. Or, you know, once you put something out, yes.

 

Bryn 

The sound of the gong,

 

Paul Ford 

yes. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

So

 

Bryn 

did you in effect, teach yourself how to play?

 

Paul Ford 

I did. I’ve come from a space of working intuitively, I’ve always

 

Paul Ford 

trusted what I feel is right.

 

Bryn 

There are

 

Paul Ford 

training organisations globally, there are individuals who will train you and they’ll guide you towards you know, offering yourself you know, inclusion of the torch you, as I guess a starter as somebody to work with. So you actually know sort of, you know, you’re in going in the right direction. Yes. At the time, when I started, I didn’t have the availability to partake in those trainings, you know, financially and my position at the time. So I continue playing, trusting what I felt was right. And that’s worked for me. And of course, when I meet other Gong players now, you know, I see but we all have this. I don’t know that we’re all out there in different parts of the world. But somehow there’s this connection. We find ourselves playing the same techniques at times, you know, we can be rolling our mothers on the gong and in particular way by ourselves, and we’ve never seen that. You know, we’ve never watched anybody else do that. But I can go to Germany and see someone else doing the same technique and it makes me wonder you Know, where is this connection? Is this a link somewhere where people’s intuition that shared somehow you know, on a spiritual level I don’t know that you know, I’ve met people and say you know, we’ve done the training you haven’t but we see always in you. I see you know myself in them. It’s it’s an interesting phenomena. It is, but there are if you want to go and do the training, there’s plenty of people out there, you know, including myself, you know, yeah, I can encourage people to start off in gunplay and go from there but there are schools out there and there are even in Perth, there’s organisations but will you know, give you that encouragement.

 

 

And

 

Bryn 

tell me about because you gave me an insight when we first met it really insight into the the actual manufacturing of the goal, because that’s fascinating as well. It is it’s

 

Paul Ford 

a One is a work of art. They’re all handmade

 

Paul Ford 

with the inclusion of this is a gong made by pasty so I believe I could be incorrect but they actually use a machine does the form that are in their in their factory. Yeah. Whereas the guys who make these guns here Oh, can they actually hand hammer it actually worked in the factory wizard to do that.

 

Bryn 

So the tech piece of flat metal

 

Paul Ford 

Yeah, it basically it’s around this. Yeah, it’s made out of nickel silver, its majority of its copper. It forms quite easily sometimes it needs a little bit of heat around the rim. Basically, they take this round disc over a number of hours days and they’ll form the gong to what it is. And it’s all done. They have to spend maybe I think it’s six years minimum to be considered a gong maker competent to be able to join a gong and be consistent with your tuning

 

Bryn 

chindan to

 

Paul Ford 

Well, this one here is one of the what’s known as the planetary range. So, this Gong is attuned to a particular note or close to or around ordinary gongs like the one you saw the mccreaney, which is tuned to a particular sound, but not a definite tune in it sort of sits close to C sharp of course but it’s not definitively on that June yes sort of the tuning around it because it’s more expressive when they tune it like that but they’re looking for a particular sound that evokes something in people said that gone use or is more considered a universe or tune in but encompasses any involves and offers, perhaps what either the universe is, so is this and then there’s a lots of different parts inside of it where somebody like this is tuned towards a young second octave. So it’s more like Definitely tune in and it offers more of a limited overtone structure but it’s still a really nice sound. So when the gong makers are under their tuition you know this is part of their journey to be able to consistently replicate that tuning.

 

 

So yeah, it’s so even

 

Bryn 

at the start in the manufacturing process by using the word light there is tuned to evoke something yes someone the gongs are manufactured from their outset to evoke some someone and cause some sort of physical impact or something of that nature. That’s one way of looking at it. I mean, rather than them just viewing it as his Gong that got to be C sharp because it’s going to be in the back of an orchestra. Doo doo, doo doo doo doo see what they’re all gongs

 

Paul Ford 

that used to remain the tune, you know that These the expression on them, as you say, as I would say, doesn’t offer as much as something like a symphonic gone, which isn’t quite tuned to a specific it. Does this make sense to you? Yeah, yeah. But they do make these songs to evoke something in people to encourage something. But what happens for people is it’s an individual experience. I might play this and it might trigger something in me an image of something, but for you, it might encourage something different. Yeah. So that they tread quite lightly on the definitive the description of what gongs can offer this sorted, they offer a brief description of how the gong sounds and what it might do. But I think there’s this understanding but you know, we’re all have our own experience. We all respond to these songs in difference. And I think that’s the beauty of working with these instruments because you know, when we work with groups or individuals, everybody has their own experience. As we music as a whole you know I can listen to something to music and I can go into some kind of fantasy you know dream where you might actually go into this maybe I don’t know a little hard edge you know, confident aggressive slightly I’ve got to go out and do something I think that’s the beauty of music is it offers something to us that’s different Yeah. What

 

Bryn 

What is it about the gongs that is so

 

Bryn 

moving evocative

 

Paul Ford 

Is it just

 

Bryn 

the sheer year I mean on a physics level

 

Bryn 

is it the the sheer

 

Bryn 

sound waves?

 

Paul Ford 

I think it I found gonna say think I believe Okay, money is what I believe it’s the vibration that occurs that’s offered, of course is the sound which encourages us to think something wonderful like the crushing ocean or the blowing wind or you know Something else, but then there’s an unseen vibration that penetrates our body. Now of course, you know, it’s scientifically proven for our body vibrates, our organs vibrate at particular frequencies. Of course when you introduce one vibration to another, there’s a result. Yeah, we can back in a way that there’s a word was it called entrainment I think that used in healing circles where we can align with something. So we can offer something, a vibration to ourselves and kind of align ourselves with the vibration of the gong. But then this we’ve taken to the brain you know, which is a very clever processing unit. So the brain picks up on this vibration and says, Hey, this is what I’m receiving. I’m going to give something out I’m an output here to what you know, I would say I consider as appropriate. So does it the brain and trigger you know, regenerative process restorative process? Assess, which we could call the healing the therapeutic side, or does it just triggers something but services or encourages to go to that nice place of you know, comfort? Hmm. I think it’s different for everybody. In when we play Gong, a lot of people have the intention, but it’s, we’re here for healing.

 

Paul Ford 

I want to heal you, this is what I’m offering.

 

Paul Ford 

And I don’t doubt that that happens on some level, you know, the body, the brain responds and encourages growth, somehow, you know, physiologically, you know, on a cellular level, as they say.

 

Bryn 

And so that’s the essence of sound therapy.

 

Paul Ford 

It’s about the vibration we take into consideration the sound but also the intention. And the way I would say the practitioner, the therapist office themselves, you know, I can strike a gong softly and that sound wave That pressure wave in Mid South a nice gentle manner and it’s received by the body you know whenever person and even ourselves but if we punch in there quite firmly boom you know that’s a quite aggressive you know, a mission there but the point is is way too you know another person’s body so the intention you know I would say have someone who’s playing on in a therapeutic manner is one of gentleness and consideration for other people but also for themselves

 

Bryn 

hmm

 

Bryn 

interesting when i

 

Bryn 

when i when i came that day and planning because

 

Bryn 

my first experience of gongs would have been in the start of films rank. Yes, you know, the big guy in the loincloth. You know, get there you were with the malice making All sorts of different noises. Yes. Gently hitting a different places dragging around and it just

 

Bryn 

pulls may and others in. You must find that wherever you type these Yes, people always

 

Paul Ford 

get feedback do people come up and say, You know what, wow Something happened for me that I you know, this gone, you know affected me you know I want to share this with you Do you know why and I sometimes I can give a brief you know, I don’t know introduction to what might be happening for Yeah. But I say you know, this is your experience and it’s it’s personal for you I know I get people coming up saying I had a great experience them and I’ve had people comment saying wow, that was like being in a horror movie made me feel quite shaky. So you know, I check in with them, you know, what’s happening for you right now? does that remind you of something bigger You know, again, I didn’t know that people therapy the past few years, you know how we organise ourselves and how we receive even the sound that were gone? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So there’s something there, which I like to bring in as well. I I started out with gongs I’m more of a I’m going to help people relax. Yeah, but now it’s grown to the, you know, the space of people have an awareness they become aware of how they are. Yes. And some from some people have a sense of Okay, you know, I came here and I’d already had a pretty poor day. Some people don’t know what’s happening. So I consider myself capable as in assisting people just explore that briefly. You know, this is what’s possibly happening you know, tend to yourself okayness and self you know, what we might call self care self love. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

The vibrations in the sound hold you.

 

Paul Ford 

Yeah. And people would describe held. Some people, like yourself describe being drawn in physically. Some people tell me but they felt like they went out of their body and were floating above their body while the gun was being paid. Well, and some people to sit there and they watch me and they say, yeah, that was great. Thanks. I’m like, Well, you know, there’s a difference. Yeah. And I say thank you. Yeah, I’d rather people be you know, upfront with you know, their experience, you know, then you know, say Oh, yeah, that was great. Me. Whoa.

 

 

Yeah, yeah.

 

Bryn 

So you’re afraid.

 

Bryn 

A number of different events nowadays? Yes. Including up in young chap caves.

 

Paul Ford 

Yes, where there are March 7. with myself and Susan from sanctuary of sound. We’ve been working together for some time I initially to to the you know, to help exploit Gangplank. in different ways, and we decided we do an event together. So we did one last year, we hired out the cabaret cave in the National Park. We, we had about 65 people there. And it was an amazing experience, but is the first time I’d worked with someone in a collaboration. Yeah, also the first time that I work with so many people,

 

Bryn 

how many normally really based on

 

Paul Ford 

you know, I’ve worked normally my small group of 10 people, I’ve worked with slightly bigger groups, maybe 3040. But this The difference here was, but these people had come all the way out of Perth to this cave, each potentially looking for something wanting to take something away. And I you know, I had this confidence. Yeah, I know I can play my goals. I know my goals, but then we’d introduce in different aspects, you know, we’re all going to sing, we sing We did some singing this time, some chanting, and I blew in a conch shell, you know, which is a huge show. It blows like a bugle.

 

Bryn 

Yeah.

 

Paul Ford 

And of course, you know, in that moment when I went to start the event by blowing into this conch shell, I froze. And in my head, I said, Put this downpour You can’t do this. And I looked around and

 

Paul Ford 

I just went for it. Yes, the shelf sounded and it you know, like, the troops were moving.

 

Paul Ford 

It all flowed after then. But because it was such a big event for me. Yeah, there was no anxiety there. And this anxiety crept in, prior to the event starting, but after that, when the shell sounded

 

Bryn 

when you go into an event like that, have an idea of what you’re going to do, or do you just almost like, channel it through and look at what happened.

 

Paul Ford 

We were flexible on that. We sort of were discussing at the moment, the next one for March, we’re going to have Some difference in there. So we tend to have an idea of, Okay, let’s go into this in a different way let’s offer ourselves you know, in a different way to how we did before so it offers people who’ve been before so I mean different and but it also encourages those to be different as well. So there’s no set framework, you know, ABCD

 

Bryn 

Yeah, we’ll do

 

Paul Ford 

this but then, okay, if something feels good to do, then we’ll go there and do that. On the last one we said would give 10 minutes silence now in that 10 minute silence, it was okay for people to get up and go to the toilet if need be.

 

Paul Ford 

Or just pay attention to themselves in that silence.

 

Paul Ford 

And I found after five minutes, I was becoming restless. Right, the 10 minutes was actually too much for myself. So I actually went and made contact with one of my gongs and started playing very gently deceive myself, Brian, which I found really interesting, but, you know, I paid attention to myself and this is what we talked about paying attention. I knew I was being going anxious and you know, I was okay with that. But I needed to soothe myself somehow. So I started playing songs again. And I looked across to Suzanne will give in 10 minutes and like, No, wrong. So we initially we did set some kind of timing, you know, timeline, and that just went out the window completely. Yeah, but it still work really great. Yeah, it’s fascinating

 

Bryn 

the idea of using sound as a therapy tool, because so many people would consider sound either a noise, be music, music, you know, just get pumped out. Yes. And more and more, it’s getting manufactured. Also more and more relisting to mp3 files, which are like, the thinnest layer sound Yes, this is Justin. Enough. You hear it? Yes. But not necessarily everything else that comes with it. And so it’s almost probably noise is either an irritant or a commodity and a weapon as well. Oh and a weapon. Yes. Yes. You know you only have to look at Was it the Waco siege where they sat outside and played Barry Manilow and over and over and over and

 

Paul Ford 

or something like that I can imagine being very powerful for some people. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

And there’s no it was one song I played over and over and over and over and over again and it drove. Yeah, people man.

 

Bryn 

But yeah, it’s also used as a weapon.

 

Paul Ford 

Yes, unfortunately.

 

Bryn 

Yes.

 

Bryn 

And, and, and yeah, you also get, you know, crowds of young people are dispersed with high pitched noises where saddles can’t hear and stuff like that. And so all those different uses of sound practical commodity nature but to actually consider it as a healing.

 

Paul Ford 

Yes, it’s how it’s applied. That’s the difference, and how the sound is applied, you know how that vibration is offered to people? And, of course, how we are in that moment, you know, as, as the therapist, the practitioner, by checking in with how I, how do I feel today, you know, am I going to offer myself and the sound in a way that’s actually supportive towards, you know,

 

Paul Ford 

healing, restorative, you know,

 

Paul Ford 

there’s a belief that the sound itself does the work and I can kind of align that but also is that paying attention to yourself, of course, I’m the one who’s going to be applying the sound. So there’s an important factor to pay attention to that, man, yeah, with gentleness, you know, and sometimes there’s that difference of bringing in something but sort of accentuates what we’re doing as well. assaulted, he can trigger things you know, in the brain but encourages something

 

Bryn 

such as, as a device to unlock things. Yes.

 

Paul Ford 

This is not a mystery surrounding gongs, but it’s also a lot of scientific proven, you know, data. What’s the mystery? The mystery what is an esoteric belief, isn’t it? Yeah, you know the gong can be considered you know this, I would say a portal to an energy that exists somewhere in the universe, you know, with, with the planetary gongs. There’s a lot of belief that you know, when we’re working with the moon, we’re working with the moon, from working with the sun, we working with the sun, Mars, Neptune, a lot of people, I’ve already explained two wrongs and of course, is an astrological connection as well. So we’re working with you know who we are when we’re all born. This is alignment. People actually have this, this belief. Some people call it a fantasy, some people ridicule it, but you know, I’m going to use my Today to heal you, I’m going to use my state or encourage you to behaviour difference. Yeah. So this, you know, this this mystery, you know, does this actually really? Is it true? Is it not?

 

Paul Ford 

I don’t know.

 

Paul Ford 

But it adds some and it has a meaning for people.

 

Paul Ford 

A lot of people apply You know, this is what I want to align with, because it has meaning for me. I feel like I’m, yeah, I’m doing something I’m achieving something for the world. Yes.

 

Bryn 

I guess you kind of at one level have to come back to the whole

 

Bryn 

people are drawn to them. People keep coming back. Yes, feel people share their experience. So

 

Bryn 

that can be enough.

 

Paul Ford 

And it is enough. If a person’s affected in a way of Support Centre thing.

 

Paul Ford 

I feel different.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. Even if that’s different, agitated, or restless or something

 

Paul Ford 

Something there isn’t there but

 

Paul Ford 

we as therapists, you know, pay attention to Okay, I’m making a difference with this person I’m while I’m assisting in encouraging a difference of this person by working with sound. And it’s something you know, it’s a phenomenon of it’s become very, very popular globally. The guys who make these games can’t make them fast enough. Yes, they can’t. I visited Germany last year in June and at the time there was 1000 gone waiting list just for America. America is their biggest customer. So Australia and Europe were I don’t know where they were in the waiting list. But yeah, but yeah, this phenomenon of using gongs is Yeah, it’s incredible. It’s growing. I’ve had the lady ring me this morning, she says, How long will it take to get along and I says you could be waiting six to eight months. Depending on the series of the gun. You might Find one second hand, but you will pay nearly new prices. She’s like, What? Really? I’m like, yeah, this is the trend. It’s been happening for five years and it’s not going to go away. Because you’ve only got so many men making guns. But there’s more and more people developing an awareness where they want to work with sound gongs primarily, and with the inclusion of other instruments to make a difference in the world.

 

Paul Ford 

Yeah, hmm.

 

Bryn 

Are there any other uses you can say?

 

Paul Ford  

For gone gongs?

 

 

Yeah.

 

Paul Ford 

For therapeutic context, yes, there’s that musical inclusion in symphonic orchestra experimentally in Yeah, I played these quite diverse ways. Now. There was a gentleman in the 60s. His name was Stockhausen a German man. Now he had the same Gong as is a 60 inch. The difference was, he would hit it with different materials, plastic wood tubing, and he would have it all miked up, and he will go through, you know, a mixer and I think my understanding is that they would feed the signal back on itself somehow. So it created this very Extra Terrestrial squeak, screen, scrapes, crushes bangs, and occasionally and use a mallet on it. Yeah, to bring out that rich bass note. It’s a lot of stuff on YouTube about 10 core Stockhausen. It was very famous. It was he was a musician. You know, he created music. And somehow he fell into using gongs. So my Gong use or was him asking nicely to make this series of gone yet because he just wanted to sit there with maybe two or three other men and beat the hell out of it

 

Paul Ford 

in a very experimental way.

 

 

Wow. Yeah. Wow.

 

Bryn 

So

 

 

what are the

 

Bryn 

if somebody was listening to this and there’s drawn to go now, how would they go about getting into it?

 

Paul Ford 

And getting into it? I think if you’re being affected by you’re already into it Oh, yeah. You know,

 

Bryn 

and this this is this something that, you know, jokingly, you need to be aware of, because the next thing you know, you could be

 

 

big gun collections and all sorts,

 

Paul Ford 

like expensive gun collection. Yeah. And I found at one point I had close to 40.

 

Paul Ford 

Yeah, there’s a lot of gun and a lot of money. And I speak to people like the lady this morning. She says, you know, I’m thinking of buying this gang and I says, Yes, you’re going to buy this gun, but I can pretty much guarantee you’ll end up with a lot more because this is a trend that happens people buy guns, but then they want it sounds different. So they are that one in Oregon. And sooner or later you got this whole room full of fucking gongs and it’s like, what am I going to do with all these? You know, I have a friend in England he has 100 and that’s quite a small amount compared to some people. Yes, yeah. But it still is 100 gold. It’s 100. gongs. Yes. And you just have to pick and choose the ones to play because you cannot play them on a spit. No, you know. So yeah, it happens. I’ve been there. I’ve got free guns right now. Yeah. And I’ve gone from having nearly 42 free and having free at times I think I need something else. And I feel the urge to go out and buy another one. And going to Germany later this year in September back to the gong factories and i know i I will come back with something. Yes, I always do. So it’s easy to buy these guns. But I like the free I have because if I stick to this play in this small amount, I get to know them more every time. I get to know how they respond to me. Which is important because people say well how do you know? When you’re good gunplay and I always say, when you know you’re gone, how we respond to you and how you know you’re trying to elicit to extract the sounds from it are you know to do that by going to the right place, right pressure from the mallet or combining mallet strokes or maybe muting or dampening the gong. So I say to people, you could consider yourself a good Gong play when you know you’re going and how it works with you. It’s like a relationship you know with myself and you’re here. You develop a relationship with your gongs each and every one of them because each one will offer something different. It’s like a different member of And when you get to know them, you know them. Yeah. So that people do end up with collections and gongs

 

Paul Ford 

and it’s great you know

 

Paul Ford 

in a sense

 

 

yes

 

Paul Ford 

and people want to offer the best

 

Paul Ford 

so it’s a trend I see you know golfers get drawn into it balls yes

 

Bryn 

yeah.

 

Paul Ford 

And into the gong speak less singing with them they’re playing you know, hormone Ian’s that this is inclusion of so many instruments. And we have two hands. So I might sound a little bit critical there, but I say to people, you’ve got all these instruments. Are you an octopus?

 

Paul Ford 

Yes.

 

Bryn 

Start playing with the foetus.

 

Paul Ford 

I’d like to see

 

 

Yes, I would be interested.

 

 

And

 

Bryn 

I remember when we we talked as well, you said that you live in an apartment block.

 

Paul Ford 

Yes, I do. Have somebody else respond. I live on the second, the first floor. So there’s a gentleman below me. There’s a lady next to me. And there’s a gentleman on the other side. And I’ve always told them no, I play gone. might hear something might feel something, please let me know if it disrupts. You. Yeah. And they said, Okay, so I played and people say, Oh, we can hear this really nice sound, I say, is it interrupting your space? They say no. Because of how it sounds. And I’ve taken my big one up into the, you know, the apartment at times, you know, I only took two sets of stairs.

 

Paul Ford 

And I played that and they’re like, yeah, Paul, we really felt that, you know, you might just want to dampen that down a little bit.

 

Paul Ford 

I get excited when I play that one, you know, but yeah, you know, there’s a lot to explore. Of course, you know, the bass note on it is very low and travels a long way, you know, so he travels through everybody’s apartment. Mm hmm. But where I am now in his apartment people, okay, you know, we can’t really complain about what you do. We hear sometimes we definitely feel the gongs. However it’s not disrupting and in a sense, we enjoy it. That’s the feedback I’ve had. Yeah,

 

Paul Ford 

ideally, I’d like a block out in the bush

 

Paul Ford 

where I can get them going. Oh, yeah. hOx Yes, I know. And I’d like to be able to take the big one or, you know, to maybe midway, you know, on that volume scale at times, but that’s never going to happen in my apartment.

 

Bryn 

Yes. Whereas outside you can.

 

Paul Ford 

Yes, you heard it. One going down, you know, the trail race, you know, even then that was it wasn’t really loud, right? Yeah, it has a potential to go more, but I don’t really like to in a short space of time, yes, is the general. So with the big guns, it’s almost like working slowly to elicit the full sound spectrum. But when you do so slowly, it offers itself more naturally rather than you working quickly and almost in a way trying to force it out or trying to hurry. Yes. So at the races is kind of a rushing, you know, when I was setting people off on the race, and bringing them back, it was kind of I was just building up really quickly, but in that building quickly, you’re missing most of the sound there. Yeah, you build up to a crescendo quite

 

Bryn 

a bit along the way.

 

Paul Ford 

Yes, yeah.

 

Bryn 

So what are some of the sounds you’ve gotten here with some of the sort of elemental sounds that you do made by elemental what are the elemental movements, strokes, things that you do? Like I said before, I had the conversation with you a couple of weeks ago. My view of Gong’s was the dude at the start of a film.

 

Paul Ford 

Yeah. When did you just started a film was actually hitting a fibreglass gone. You’re never real goal. But yeah, you know, a lot of people come up to me and they say, you know, can I bash the gun? That’s all they know. Yeah. I say no, you can’t

 

Bryn 

come back from I

 

Paul Ford 

couldn’t come and meet the gong. And I can introduce you to it in a gentle way. But there is no no if you’re going to bash my Gong, unless you want to buy it afterwards. Yeah. So there’s this belief that you just walk up to a gong and bash it now, you know, we’re not calling dinner here, out in the bush, or, you know, we’re trying to, you know, encourage something gentle and wonderful after the gong. And even kids come up and they want to hit the gong. So, you know, he’s going in with gentle strokes and movements. Some people like to create sequences from left to right top the mountain. And then there’s, you know, you see the friction mallet here. Which is all about friction. So it’s dragging something across the face of the gong to bring out something very different from what, you know, a normal model this word. Yeah, so in a sense with a mallet, it’s almost like you’re gently punching out the sound. Whereas the friction mallet hardball on the Yeah, it’s a special silicon you just drag it along really gently and slowly and it brings out the most amazing sounds. So there’s different ways

 

Paul Ford 

people use the hands fingers, right? Yeah.

 

Paul Ford 

This is a lot of melodies out there. They all pretty much do the same thing. So one aspect of playing gongs is tapping into your creativity, what I call rhythmicity. So we have our own River. Yes, you know, our heartbeat our own way we want to express itself now we can tap into that and bring it out into our own play. Then we’re offering ourselves arts into the world. But we’re also exploring the gong and bringing a gong into whatever we do with greater meaning.

 

Paul Ford 

And that

 

Bryn 

natural rhythm inside of us is about what we’re talking about the start I mentioned, in terms of our own authentic.

 

Paul Ford 

Yeah, it’s, I encourage people to dance when they’re playing a gong. Now, by dance, I mean, just gently, you know, let’s get those hips moving. I’m not about throwing hands in the air. And if you want to do that great, but it’s just becoming flexible in our movement, because when we become flexible, we can actually, you know, going there. Yeah, and we can make contact, gone into more of a dance with it, rather than being stiff and rigid, because when we’re different rigid. We like that expressivity. We’re not going to be able to express herself on a physical level because we’re tight, maybe so when we get people moving from the hip from the waist, on the shoulders were loosening up. And so we can actually go in there and you know, there’s a Greater creativity with our mallets. You know, and of course, it brings out something different in the gang as well. You know, we show up in our own identity as best as we can, as best as we can allow ourselves to because, you know, women in public events, there’s that sense of vulnerability. So over time, you know, it’s a slow progressive journey to becoming a very expressive person and feeling comfortable about that. But that’s when the real sense of you know presence is demonstrated. Yes. Yes.

 

Bryn 

What have you learned about yourself through gunplay?

 

Paul Ford 

For the gameplay, I would say on this

 

Bryn 

journey, this

 

 

Wow.

 

Paul Ford 

That’s a big question to ask. But one thing I’ve learned is but one thing I’ve noticed over the years is like, when I’m with people as such as yourself, here, there’s this boundary retreat is which I can modify, you know, yeah, I can actually allow myself, you know, reach out to you and allow you into my personal space. But with the gong, you know, there’s a different process there.

 

Bryn 

And I actually know,

 

Paul Ford 

I can choose how much of you know, that gong I can allow into my spouse, whereas you could impinge on me in a social setting and say, Hey, I’m going to come into your boundary, whether you like it or not. The thing with the gong is as I actually can interrupt that I can actually decide how much of that gone I want to let into my personal space something by playing yes, no, I, I can allow the gong to affect me. And then when I get to a point, okay, something’s happening here. Stop. Yeah, the mallet Dan. Whereas if I’m relating with you in a social setting, or perhaps here and I’m feeling overwhelmed, I’m feeling anxious or if in fact, I’m feeling manipulated. I’m, in a sense, unless I’m very confident, I’m going to have to try and support myself to experience you’re in that kind of thing, huh? Did this answer your question? Is it?

 

Bryn 

Because it works the other way around as well? Where

 

Bryn 

I can retreat from your personal Yes. But if we if I come to say kosan, young chap,

 

Bryn 

for me, the

 

Bryn 

the signal that you’re putting out, and what doesn’t matter whether you’re close to me or not classmates just gonna come in and do what it does, yes. So there’s a certain power and presence behind it.

 

Paul Ford 

And also to this the sense of community and these people who play games. There is a huge community out there in the world, you know, local and birth without their globally, which is all slowly coming together. And it’s nice to feel included in this community, which has its own culture. And I meet some wonderful people through the gong, and that’s something I’ve really enjoyed. Maybe I hadn’t introduced you know, been introduced to the gang. I still might be more of a recluse and not going to get into you know, the world. Because of this I’m travelling to Germany maybe every two years every year to meet people, new people experienced people might go to America. I went to Argentina two years ago to me, gone maker. That’s something I would have never considered doing. This is part of this community. I love the world. I want to meet you. The free days in Argentina was probably very scary for me because I didn’t know where the hell I was going. But yeah, this is what I enjoy about the community. But you know, the goal is, you know, creates

 

Bryn 

Hmm, where would you like to take this over the next several years.

 

Bryn 

deveny

 

Paul Ford 

aspirate. I’ve been asked recently. It’s a help facilitate some, some form of training in England, which I’m very encouraged there. So this is something that’s going to happen this year to go to England and join in with somebody else and facilitate some kind of training, bring in my own my own interest of, you know, awareness, you know, how we approach perhaps rather than just techniques. So, I’m slowly writing a little book about which is called the gong and I was the gong and Hi, and it’s relative to how you know that that relational aspect, how it affects our gone places, I want to sort of bring that into the gunwale because it’s not really covered. Yes, more about technique.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. And what you do with

 

Paul Ford 

the relationship between yourself and instrument which I consider, you know, important. So I want to be able to bring myself out into the world more and offer, you know, what I would say I appreciate offer it people. Lovely, they can experience it, take it, leave it, get a taste of it. But I still like to be able to share myself and be known, you know as Paul. Yes. And this is what Paul, you know, enjoys. Yes, yeah, I’d like to share what I know because, you know, we all have something to share, rather than just keeping in, you know, the occasional Facebook quote or Yeah, Instagram, you know, it’s, I want to get out into the world and experience the world is, you know, I do. Mm hmm. I was a late starter to travel. So yeah, I still have a hell of a lot of places to go and travel.

 

Paul Ford 

And this opens the door to that. It does because I now know people pretty much in every country in the world.

 

Paul Ford 

But I can go to

 

Paul Ford 

experience them and they’re gone.

 

Paul Ford 

Yeah, whereas before, you know, it was like, I’m going to go to this country, but I don’t know anybody.

 

Paul Ford 

Yeah. Nice Yeah,

 

Paul Ford 

it’s sort of it’s encouraging for me to actually step out of my safety zone my comfort and go and experience something different. Yeah. For me

 

Bryn 

other than playing games, what else do you do to keep yourself grounded?

 

Paul Ford 

I do meditate.

 

Paul Ford 

I

 

Paul Ford 

not as much as I used to. But you know to remain grounded. I find I have to be physical. Now. I recently retired from mechanical work as a mechanic. Now the mechanical work really grounded me if sense of Okay, I’ve I know where I am. Yeah, I feel I feel rock solid. since retired from mechanical work, I’ve experienced myself as a little bit aloof at times, so that’s okay. You need to do something to ground into, you know, your day to make sure I get shit done.

 

Paul Ford 

Forget about it. Yeah.

 

Paul Ford 

So, working making my mallets is just enough. Yes, working with people and in talk therapy and expressive therapy, you know, as a counsellor, that’s assistant also, that that really is empowering for me to actually sit with people and talk. And then I can go out into the world and play on. Yes. And remain, you know, pretty grounded, because playing on the scenery affects people in different ways. And some people end up feeling like they’re up there with the angels. And as a young player, it’s important to have some kind of groundedness about you. Yeah, so you can remain objective and, you know, have that sense of duty again. But yeah, I, I practice meditation. So I’m involved myself in different aspects of

 

Paul Ford 

work.

 

Paul Ford 

And I like to write in the bush and war. Yeah, that really helpful. making contact with the ground beneath my feet. Okay. And as well. Yes.

 

Bryn 

And one of the questions I ask all my guests towards the end of the interview, usually it’s the last question, but they won’t be with you today because we’re asking you to this is before we finish, and but it’s it’s a hypothetical question, but it’s an enjoyable okay? And which is, if you could take on little knowledge of a little nugget of knowledge and unload it into the collective consciousness, we all just get into it. What would that be?

 

Paul Ford 

It would be valuing yourself value myself though yourself more. Because I noticed this under trend of undervaluing ourselves. And that comes from a place of perhaps not believing we’re worthy of that value. And it’s something I practice with recently. Even with my business This in what in the price of something to where I believe I’m really worthy of that. But there’s also that contradictive people don’t want to pay that. And then I’ve been proven, I’ve been proven wrong with people actually paying it. So via yourself and applying them value to you and believe it can be difficult to believe that you’re worth

 

Paul Ford 

more than you are.

 

Paul Ford 

But that’s something I would like to, if I could upload that, put it up there. There is this capacity, there’s this programme that’s going to assist you to, you know, acknowledge that you’re worthy of what you want to do or who you want to be with, or what you want to achieve, and be able to achieve that rather than sit there and think, you know, I’m not good enough. Hmm. Yeah. And that comes from my own story, my own in my own narrative, which I am actually working on, you know, actually I am working on and it’s something that affected me in the past but that’s something Yeah, I would share with people and if it was an option to click on it,

 

Bryn 

I’m just being there. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

So if people want to find you Paul Yeah.

 

Bryn 

Whereabouts can they find you? I have.

 

Paul Ford 

I have websites so I have a website called gone walkabout which is geo and GWALKAB o UT so gone walkabout.com au so there’s a website there you explore about me the gongs if you are interested in buying one you can read there.

 

Paul Ford 

You can link there to my malate website.

 

Paul Ford 

But also have a website for my counselling services psychotherapy. So that’s Paul for counselling services, both so people can find me there. I’m on Facebook. Yep, gone walkabout, gone mallets Australia. My counselling services on there as well all for cancelling

 

Paul Ford 

You could always ring me you know

 

Paul Ford 

my numbers on the websites Yep. all the informations on there if you put gongs in Perth on Google I’m pretty much at the top so I’m easy to find

 

Bryn 

Yep. So I’m there

 

Paul Ford 

I am Instagram from a mallets follow the trend all the all the platform all the hot models are on there or the hot mallets

 

 

Yeah, yeah.

 

Paul Ford 

And it working you know I sort of treat them as models and I photo them and put them up there and the interest comes in it is a phenomenal this Instagram thing you know I can I get why the all these people are putting themselves out there on here. Yeah, but for the mallets it’s working as well. Yeah. So yeah, if people want to find me check my website gone walkabout. Yeah, that’s where you’ll find me and my gongs Facebook Yeah. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed talking to Today, I’ve enjoyed sitting here with you. Yes,

 

Bryn 

it’s been. It’s been fantastic. It’s been very calming.

 

Paul Ford 

It is, isn’t it? This space between us is really comfortable for me. I’m not sure it is for you, but I see you. You look comfortable. You’ve done this before. But, you know, we’ve got this far. And I’m still sitting here thinking, you know, I could talk more.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, I want to talk about

 

Bryn 

a simple question. That was the question.

 

Bryn 

No, I’ve done this numerous times. But I find that the space that’s created, the energy that’s created is a function of both people.

 

Bryn 

It’s been incredibly calm.

 

Paul Ford 

You’re very encouraging and supportive in the way Yeah, I experienced you. Thank you.

 

Bryn 

Thank you bring. So the last thing we wanted

 

Bryn 

to do is give us a bit of Paragon I can I can

 

Paul Ford 

play this gone for you and it’s a small so there’s not a lot there any

 

Paul Ford 

but it’s a

 

Paul Ford 

yeah let’s see what goes off here so yeah this is the moon gone it’s a Pisces the moon gone. It sits around a but your hair

 

Bryn 

Thank you very much

 

Paul Ford 

Thank you very

 

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