#146 The Creative Power of “I Don’t Know” – Rebecca Dawson

Consider a much higher perspective on our current situation as we welcome back WA real’s most downloaded guest of 2019, internationally renowned channel Rebecca Dawson.

In this conversation, Rebecca eloquently articulates what many of us are seeing in that the pressure and the strain on the weave of our society is not only exposing how everything is breaking down (government, money, legal systems, etc) but is also beginning to show us the greater gaps in that weave.

The listener is invited to become curious about the gaps, rather than being drawn to fix the straining weave and being pulled to one end of the duality or another, and to sit in a central position comfortable in a place of not knowing.

Why? Because it is in that place of not knowing and declaring “I am here” that you can truly birth something new – a new reality.

It’s time to let go of fixing, survival, ‘needing’ to do things and fulfilling self-imposed requirements; the time of carrying the heavy weight of karma and unconscious living has passed – it’s now time to ask what else is there and for a new dimension of experiencing, creating and exploring! Wow!

This is a very focused and intense conversation and there is no shame in listening back through it numerous times to let it fully settling within you.

Again, listen carefully for the use of ‘I’ and ‘we’ in the words Rebecca says.

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Bryn 

Hello and welcome back to WA Real. I’m your host, Bryn Edwards WA Real follows the oldest form of learning that of listening to stories and experience those around us. Why is that to provoke greater awareness and greater consciousness amongst his here in Western Australia and beyond. Today’s guest is a returning guest in 2019. She was my most downloaded podcast. I think she ranks up in the top four of the top, top downloaded podcasts across the whole repository of WP real. I’d like to welcome back to the show Rebecca Dawson.

 

Rebecca Dawson

Hi, Bryn. Nice to speak with you again.

 

Bryn 

Nice to ignite a very interesting conversation today. I’m hoping so. So just for those who didn’t hear our podcast previously, you and our channel have been for 20 odd years. I mean, how would you describe yourself,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

I would describe myself as a very natural human who operates in a very natural human way. which I think will become the new normal for a new era of humanity coming forward, being able to source everything that is.

 

Bryn 

Love that. And just so we’re clear, you share, you’ve been sharing your service for nearly 20 odd years. And this isn’t just individual. This, as we mentioned in the podcast before this has been without naming any names for business people and predominant people, you know, around the world.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Yeah, I’ve had the great,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

great, I guess, privilege and honour to be connecting with all sorts of people around the world. people involved in in trying to do things differently and trying to bring out the best that humanity can be. So it’s very encouraging. to seeing more and more of that,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

as we we move forward as a race.

 

Bryn 

So just expanding on that, are you finding right now that there is greater uptake, interest curiosity in some of the things that you have to say or coming through and downloading and that you’re sharing? Because I for 1am, finding that as with this disruptive environment that we live in, that it’s almost taking the thin veneer and veil of some of the stuff that’s not necessarily important to why. And it’s exposing a greater connection to things that are bigger than just our egoic self. So are you finding a similar sort of thing?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

I guess I could sort of look at that in a couple of different ways brain First of all, I think like many of us at the moment, we’re experiencing A period of quiet. So, for me at this time, I’m experiencing a period of quiet. And that’s not not just in terms of where I’m connecting externally, I’m also experiencing quiet internally. And there has been on a human level, some internal conflict about that, if there was ever a time to be putting out content, if there’s ever a time to be visible on the planet, it’s this, it’s this time. But I also see myself sitting in the middle of this huge Cyclone of inflammation. And it’s it’s not a time where I feel like I really want to add to that chaos and that movement. So that that’s one way I’m looking at it. Another way I’m looking at it is, you know, humanity. Traditionally, I wouldn’t say inherently, but more traditionally looks for answers when things are out of control. When things can’t be predicted and manipulated and controlled and restrained. They look like answers. So I’m sure that for yourself and for many people who, who, who delve into elements of truth in the way that we do, are looking for answers right now. Yeah. The question for me is do I want to add to the confusion of what people are looking for more? Now I want to hold a space in the middle of all of that, for people who are finding comfort in the I don’t know, because really, anyone that has looked at mysticism or looked into the great mysteries of different religions and truths in our world, the real power for transformation sits in your ability to stay in the space of

 

Bryn 

I don’t know. Yes. And we see that right now. People are scrambling for answers.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

What’s the truth behind this? What which way is it going to go? What’s going to happen? What happens to cause all of this? And there’s a greater invitation here, there’s an invitation here to sit in that space in between, because that’s really what transformation exists and we all want change. But I don’t know that we’re going to going to be able to create change from looking for answers within what already is apparent.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

That’s my view. At the moment.

 

Bryn 

It was Einstein, who said, it’s not the same mind, we’ll find the answer to the problem. So I probably completely bastardise what he said. But

 

Rebecca Dawson 

I think that’s a fantastic, a fantastic little jewel that you’re bringing to the table there. Because if we’re looking to solve a problem that already exists, we’re going to really move away from the space for something new to emerge. Hmm. I mean,

 

Bryn 

I even had a conversation with my father last night about change in new things. And it was interesting because he’s a major response was to start with was, What do you mean? Oh, we’re going to have like a society with No money and this that, you know, and no police. No this No, that is interesting because it was, it was it was, if it’s gonna be different to this, then it has to be not that it has to be as sort of slowed him down in the conversation or we slowed each other down in the conversation and I basically said, Well, look, we’re living in a state of hyper normalisation where deep down, we all know, things are a bit fucked. Right? And I look at what we do to the planet, look at what capitalism is doing to us look at poverty, look at the fact that a lot of people can’t eat and feed themselves and stuff, you know, that that there are signs these things. I said, however, hyper normalisation is where we carry on regardless because there is no alternative that we can perceive. And the point is, I drove across to my father last night was where’s the space? Let’s just take democracy. You know, it’s a it’s a thing that we have to repeat every four or five years. Depending on who or where we are at, and which country you’re in. And so were in that continued cycle, is there space for more legacy decisions that are 150 year 100 year point of view, when you’ve only got sort of a couple of years, and then it’s or I’ve got to go into the beauty parade, which is the election again. And and I said, so where is the space for a conversation about? What could that look like? Which doesn’t necessarily mean just because you mentioned something different. You’re immediately on the other side, or if you mentioned something here, you know, you don’t like capitalism, then what’s that mean? You’re a communist? No, no, it’s not that reduction. But it’s having that space. We don’t know what that looks like. Let’s sit in that not knowing and just get curious.

 

Bryn 

That’s it and we’re so

 

Rebecca Dawson 

why we’re so wired for choice. Our brains are so wired for choice you know, even in what you lifting model of the brain, which I don’t believe was the original blueprint, anatomically for how our brains were meant to work, two hemispheres.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

You know, you look at,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

you’ll get choice, you look at the the economy, and all the economic structures on the planet, everything’s based on opportunity cost, if I have this, I can’t have that I’ve got to sacrifice one thing for another. And we talked about, I mean, you talked about a pyramid actually, just before we started this conversation. Now, he is very, very powerful for this, because three, even though you know, we could look at pyramid structures, and we can look at three is something that we don’t, we don’t want on this planet anymore. Perhaps it has been saturated, that style, that hierarchical style of structure, but the three itself is is really a very, very alchemically powerful symbol, because you’ve got two elements, if they’re willing to move into acknowledge judgement and agreement with each other, they can create a third point. Yeah, and really this is our opportunity on the planet at this time is to be able to create a third option. dualities are always based on one or the other. As we know, we can have this or this even in terms of what’s happening now on the planet. The good guy is going to win in the bad guys. Yes, a fight between light and dark. We’ve heard this so many times, we’re seeing it everywhere. It’s everywhere. And I’m not gonna go into any specific terminology or names for the sake of this, this podcast, but we know about it. It’s everywhere. It’s in our media. It’s Facebook, it’s

 

Rebecca Dawson 

everywhere. But the

 

Rebecca Dawson 

question is always well, if we’re moving beyond duality, and we really have an opportunity to have a reset here. Are we going to reset and move from one of those points to the other? Are we going to reset and create balance? Or are we actually moving beyond that paradigm now? Because balance is never something that’s sustainable?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Yeah. We’re always moving between the two.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

So what is the third option and this is something that that was introduced to us on a trip to Indonesia, actually, and this is a very, I haven’t actually shared this before outside of the group that went to Indonesia. We have years ago, we were taken out into the jungle in the middle of Sulawesi, it took a lot to get there. No one would take us there. We didn’t know when or why we were going there. And I won’t go into too much detail, but we ended up deep in the middle of the jungle in Saudi Arabia, and we’re the only white people or outside of that local group of ethnicity to be more politically correct. There had ever been dislocation. Once we’d been there once we took people back a few months later, and, and and the government had come in and put restrictions on they didn’t want anyone else going there. We went from there to a very large megalithic site in Java. And we took what we found in that location took it to the other location. And something very interesting happened up on the top of this mountain, which isn’t a mountain. It’s a man made structure action, something made it. And at that time, the beginning of that journey, and the end of that journey was at a particular hotel resort in in Bali. And it just happened to be at the time that the IMF where they’re setting up for their their annual conference. Well,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

that was a lot going on.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Yes. And a lot happened while we were there at the beginning, in the end of this trip, a lot of information was was shared with us as a small group. So I do believe that it’s, it’s okay to allude to that now. It says a couple of years later. So first of all, we were made aware of the impending economic reset. Second thing we were made aware of is the original

 

Rebecca Dawson 

original human blueprint and DNA and capacity to create

 

Rebecca Dawson 

The third thing we were made aware of was this, these three points. And the way for humanity to move forward is to move beyond this economy of opportunity cost. What is the third option? Also? Sorry, that’s a long winded way of me explaining how we came to this third option. Yeah. And this was a message has been repeated continuously in the last couple of years is what else? What is the third option? So when you’re presented with two options, you can do this or you can do this always ask the What else? Because the what else is the I don’t know. And that’s the space where something you can happen.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

So

 

Rebecca Dawson 

one of the representations of this and I don’t normally go into Christianity or anything biblical, but let’s have a look at. Let’s have a look at Moses getting to the edge of the Red Sea

 

Rebecca Dawson 

and there’s no one Way to go he can either go forward and drown. Yes, we can go back

 

Rebecca Dawson 

to where they were before and I really see humanity. And the story of Moses is where we are right now.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Do we do we go forward and drown on our own?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Or do we go back to what we knew? And

 

Rebecca Dawson 

I kind of see this in terms of, you know, the Coronavirus as well, you know, is it going to completely destroy all of our freedoms and rights? Or is it going to allow us to create something new? Why don’t we do and Moses gets to the edge of the Red Sea and knowing he is the Messiah that he is.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

What’s the third option?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

What is the third option?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

And the third option is a new reality is created in that moment.

 

 

Wow. Because there is a refusal to go forward and drown. There was a refusal to go back to where we were. What else is there?

 

 

The stone from the ground, I am here

 

 

who is with me? See parts, hugely symbolic for me,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

hugely symbolic. Because you’ve got duality sitting on either side of you, you’ve got these two walls of water, two versions of reality. And the great opportunity for a master or for someone who really sits in their integrity and truth is saying, I don’t accept that or that I’m walking my own path down the middle. And this is where we are right now. We do not accept this version, we do not accept this version. There are so many of us right now on the planet who will holding this space for a dream. And, and so many of us I believe, can be really honest with ourselves and each other at this time and say, I don’t actually know what that dream is. And that’s a very powerful thing. Yes, it is a dream for peace. love and harmony. There’s another dream for, you know, or a nightmare. There’s a dream and a nightmare. But what else is there? Because really, if you’re willing to walk down the middle as a master that is creating a new reality, but you, you really need to be courageous enough to say, I don’t know what it is yet.

 

 

Yeah, no, I don’t want that.

 

Bryn 

And that, you know, in, in that sort of reductionist conversation I was talking about, that’s what cuts down the third way in the creativity. So we don’t want this what do you want that or this or that? Or what do you want? You know, how much have we been driven recently to? What’s your purpose? What’s your goal? What you think was this the, in the last podcast where we spoke, you really opened my eyes up to the idea of just sitting with not having a purpose for a while. And just being and for that be enough. I think from that myself, I had this almost dismantling of my own identity when I sat with it. And in that allocated all of a sudden see this container, which contained all of my identity as I knew it, all the bits I didn’t like, which were I shadow, and then all of a sudden, the container was taken off. And it was just like more and more and more and more of me. And, and it didn’t need a purpose. It could just be yes. When it when I came further down into the denseness of living on on the earth, yeah, okay, but the purpose, values and that but to come all the way back behind that, and then to actually, what’s the what’s the, what’s the spark was the resonance that’s coming out of me? How’s that going to manifest? So when I do come back into this whole world of purpose, values, beliefs, thinking patterns, doing creating, it’s coming from a different place, it’s not just duck. He had a purpose. That was Huge. And so, you know, for me listening to what you’re saying now, is it it’s that sort of third space where you sit in the complete not knowing in the abyss. Yeah.

 

 

Just knowing that you have a light, and that will light up the abyss.

 

 

And that’s the beginning of the new the new earth.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

The zero point. If you’re moving into something new with a clear intention, you’re very, very likely going to create the same set of principles again, that you’ve already experienced with life. It’s another permutation. It’s another set of probabilities playing themselves out. But the whole point of moving from an old paradigm to a new paradigm is it’s not another version of the old paradigm rearranged in different way. We’re not breaking up the picture puzzle and putting the pieces back together in a new way. We own that over hundreds and thousands of yours. That’s what the karmic cycle was all about. This is now moving out of cycle, which means that we have to be willing to sit in a space where there are no pieces to the puzzle, or we have to be willing to actually let the puzzle break apart further.

 

Bryn 

And then new pieces and bits that we’ve never even thought about turn up.

 

 

Maybe it’s not a puzzle anymore major

 

Rebecca Dawson 

paradigm. We’re so used to having problems to solve. We’re so used to try and

 

Bryn 

align our mind loves to fix problems like

 

Rebecca Dawson 

well, I’ll think back to the beginning of my kind of, you know, metaphysical journey thing 35 years ago, where I really saw all the mysteries of spirit as different pieces of the puzzle. I wanted to learn astrology and I wanted to learn colour therapy and I wanted to learn sound and I wanted to learn all of these things. So I could put the puzzle together and I would have a picture of what you know life will be all the universes and and then having an experience one day where I realised that the whole the whole perspective here is to actually get rid of the puzzle.

 

 

Yes, not solve it just

 

Bryn 

get rid of the puzzle and then just be and living and then from being doing

 

 

but all the mind loves a puzzle, doesn’t it?

 

Bryn 

It loves a puzzle. It loves the framework it loves like, oh, if I know this, then I’ll know that and then I’ll know this and I’ll be powerful and then I’ll be or it’s and yeah, you know, I frequently mentioned that I don’t A lot of people say that the mind is very powerful. I would disagree. I would say it’s very forceful. And the true power comes from back where we’ve just been talking about. Yeah.

 

 

Mind isn’t

 

Bryn 

this is this sneaky monkey. So, one of the one of the reasons why that provided me Want to reach back out and talk to you other than the fact to just not talk to anyone was you sent an email out, or you had to download yourself on the fifth of April, which you then popped into an email. And as you said to me, just before we started recording this, it took you the sum total of five minutes to write, which is pretty awesome. And in there before, before we get to the bit, which I’ll read out, you know, you talked about, there’s been 10 years of pointing out what’s been happening every night that we’re moving to a renaissance of creative human and new era, and the space between spaces, which we’ve just talked about new blueprints, and forcing to be slowed down. And then you wrote this, which I have to be honest, I read three times and then have to go and have a walk and think about and then I stopped thinking about it, and then I let it settle in, and then all of a sudden I went,

 

 

ah,

 

Bryn 

it was, so I’m just gonna read attack. And then I’m going to talk more about it. So this was email, humanity has completed the collective human karmic cycle, you’re no longer in a reality where we unconsciously make choices based on need or requirement. Therefore no choices based on fulfilling contracts, replaying history, resolving conflict or required learning. The error the error of collective human unconscious is over on conscious choice based on requirement is over. And those two bits are in capital. The Matrix of karmic history is no longer containing the earth reality. Today, you begin a reality where choice is conscious and based upon what you want to experience, what you want to create what you want to explore, not based on a sense of need or survival, based on curiosity and source driven desire. That’s sovereignty. That’s freedom. This is it. This is the new earth. This is a new humanity.

 

 

That’s fucking strong. It was it was strong. And I was quite

 

Rebecca Dawson 

surprised by the caps. We don’t normally do things in caps.

 

 

Yeah,

 

 

it was and it’s funny because when I saw it go on the page, I thought, this is less wordy than it normally is.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

But it gets to the point. And and you know, it’s it’s what we’ve been talking about for so long with the end of the perpetual cycle of motion and, and I think in relationships it’s it’s been very obvious for people in recent years that we we stay in things and we fulfil contracts and we persevere where perhaps it’s not required for us to persevere, because we believe that there’s something here that we need to learn And it’s almost for me. I mean, I’ve had strong Catholic roots from my early years. It’s almost a sense of self self punishment. I mean, situation, whether it be relationship or something else, I’m in this situation because I must have done something to put myself here. And there must be something for me to learn from it. So I’m going to stay in it. Now, if we take that mentality, which has been valid within

 

 

a karmic history, yes, but when

 

Rebecca Dawson 

this is a humanity, it’s moving out of that now. And if we take that promoters and we put it into global events right now,

 

 

there are things that are happening that we’re uncomfortable with

 

Rebecca Dawson 

that don’t seem right that perhaps we wouldn’t normally accept. True, but because we’re in such a habitual way of thinking that, well, I’m just going to bear the cross of this. This must be something that I need to learn from this must be Something there is a requirement to fulfil here. It’s almost like a sense of self

 

 

punishment.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Life is hard. It’s how I get through it that counts. Now, that’s very helpful for people when they find themselves in situations that they feel very disempowered with. Yes. and has been for many people. So I’m not negating the value in that within that paradigm or however when

 

 

paradigm anymore

 

Bryn 

Yes. Remember, remember it our podcast you mentioned how you know you yourself in the work that you do. Just because you do what you do doesn’t hasn’t negated you experiencing the trials and tribulations of life. But then realising that at times it was building the framework for understanding. And that’s been a real shift for me in terms of looking at things and going All right, I’m building a framework here. I’m expanding the, the but but again, that’s part of learning, isn’t it? That’s part of almost I need to do this to learn the thing. Right now what you’re saying is, we’re done.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

So so we’re in this global experience right now where where there are certain rules, I are meant for us. And I guess what’s emerging for me in this moment, as we’re speaking is if we’ve moved beyond that, then at what point are we moving from a this is required of me? Yes, it’s difficult. Yes, it’s challenging. There must be something I need to learn here. This is almost like a punishment for humanity because of things that we’ve done wrong, etc. There’s a lot of that going on. Yeah, the undercurrent of collective human consciousness. somehow we’ve brought this upon ourselves, but at what point is there a There’s no requirement for me to have this experience. There’s no requirement for me to follow on with this and make the most of it and, and just be a good girl or a good boy. Now, we’re not really talking about activist energy here because activists energy is very much about the fight. This is really about a statement internally, that if there’s no longer a requirement for you to have a certain set of experiences, this is the moment where you actually begin to think about the experiences that you want to have.

 

 

And that’s why we’re entering a dream timeline now.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

This is the space where what do we actually want? And it’s interesting that’s coinciding with what is it that you have to do right now?

 

 

Yes,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Very, very interesting. So so you know that the decisions of requirement is everywhere in our social spheres and our political spheres and our economic spheres right now, what do we have to do? What do we have to do to get through this together? Whereas if you’re looking at this from a greater a greater perspective, it’s like, well, it’s not actually about what you have to do now. It’s about what do you really wanted?

 

 

So how many people are sitting there going, actually, I don’t know.

 

 

How many people have been like Moses, before he put his staff down and announced his own existence. I am here who is with me? And it’s like, well, I can either go forward and drown. Or I can go back and try and do the best with what we already had.

 

Bryn 

Do you really want to go back?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Well, a lot of people do because they’re afraid. I want things to go back to normal

 

 

because they’re afraid

 

 

Yeah, because they’re afraid

 

 

because their identities are all embedded within that system. So why

 

Rebecca Dawson 

do I even exist outside of that system? Well, then what happens then you have to walk through the desert, right?

 

 

There’s no landmarks in the desert. There’s nothing to tell you who you are or where to go.

 

 

It’s just the stats.

 

 

I

 

Bryn 

I get curious about the idea of that being cycles and waves that are moving and shifting things I’ve been drawn heavily to consider. The world of

 

 

cymatics

 

Bryn 

where you have the metal plate with the sand on and then you have a speaker underneath and you put the different tones and the different tones make the different patterns There seems to be a lot of knowledge that seems to talk to me as I think about or even just by looking at the patterns by looking at a YouTube video or watching on TV. The fact that on one level, the thing that seems to come through to me is that on one level, we are bits of clay that are almost pushed together by the different waves. And that there are cycles like you’re saying that are moving and as we move towards a new earth, and so and I wonder whether in a world of free will of those or those of us that are just surrendering to it and will happily move with the waves even though it’s like a it’s like a fucking roller coaster when you sit down and go, yes,

 

 

it is.

 

Bryn 

Except the roller coasters. I’m coming back to the same place to start. Grabbing, but you know you will be doing this and it will make you squeal and make you go back. Then other those that will actively know that shirts just too scary. And I like it how it was and will stay almost with your thoughts and we’ll have a split from older No.

 

 

I’d really like to talk about that. Let’s talk about the way

 

Rebecca Dawson 

because we’ve talked we’ve talked about cycles before cycles of perpetual motion. Let’s talk about waves. So even within a context of spirituality, and the ascension of humanity, we’ve really looked at finding our unification and moving from duality into Unity with this, you know, metaphor of the wave. So when you’re sitting on the surface of the ocean, you know, there’s a swelling that happens as movement, it’s noisy. There’s a lot of chaos. Things are unpredictable. In essence, it’s about riding that wave and coming to the tip of the wave, you have your experience of separation as the individual droplets. And then you merge back into the collectivity again. So, you know, we talked about how the wave is such a valuable experience for finding this distinction between unity and disparity. When you move into a completely new paradigm and a new dimensional reality,

 

 

it’s no longer even about riding the wave.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

So we actually start to drop so deeply into consciousness and dropped so deeply into ourselves, that when that first begins to happen, you, you begin to feel as if you’re drowning, because you’re moving, you’re sinking underneath the ocean and you’re seeing the wave above you and you’re seeing everybody else still playing this game. And all of a sudden, you realise that nobody can see you. You don’t know how you feel. into it anymore. Are you lost? Do you really care anymore? This is the dark night of the soul. So many of us have been through this. But if you’re willing to continue to drop, you’re going to find yourself deep in the ocean. And that’s when movement really happens. That’s when you hit the current. And it no longer becomes the game of separation. How does how does life work on the surface, you no longer trying to get back up there. But you can still see it. And you can still have a great appreciation for it. But it’s not where you’re viewing from anymore. And that’s where we are right now. Because there’s so much noise on the surface. Do we need to be a part of that? Do we need to move in and have an active functioning role and being identifiable and visible and what’s happening on the surface of consciousness and our youth The word surface of consciousness in the world right now, or do we want to stay deep in the ocean, where the real movements happening, not all the noise but the real movement and have a great deal of respect and appreciation for the all the noise and movement that’s happening above. We know that where life on the planet began, and it began in the oceans. So of course, we have to go back to origin we have to go back there. And yet its natural instinct, human survival instinct is to keep trying to get back to the surface, we’re going to drown

 

 

if we don’t continue to participate.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

So it’s against every survival instinct that we have as humans, but it’s really where the movements happening right now.

 

 

Sir, it’s in deep in the ocean.

 

 

Deep in the action,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

so you know the way I love the way you brought that up today, I think that’s so beautiful. Thank you for bringing that up. The wave and the cycle are in Apparently linked,

 

Bryn 

they are more What’s going on?

 

 

never ends. It never ends.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

And that’s why you know, what’s the third option here because the balance between light and dark that balancing act, it never ends into dimensional reality because that’s the fabric of third dimensional reality. That’s the way it’s designed.

 

 

But we do have an experience now

 

Rebecca Dawson 

where we you know, dimensional fabrics like like material, it’s like a canvas like material and, and when it reaches saturation point when every possible permutation, or probability has been played out,

 

 

it starts to wear.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

And what’s happening right now is still dimensional reality if you look at it as a piece of fabric is starting to stretch, and when it starts to stretch, all of a sudden you start to see where the threads are and how they’re connected to each other and can get removed. Fascinating, suddenly, we can see how the governments are actually constructed and how the economy really works and, and how everybody’s interconnected. And there’s a great opportunity there to really see that and be fascinated with it. But there’s a real even greater opportunity to see the holes that are starting to appear in it. Because if you can pass through that, sit in those, I don’t know spaces, there’s a big gap here, there’s a big I don’t know, and be willing to sit there for long enough, the collective consciousness of humanity is going to slip through that fabric into something else. And that’s the new web.

 

 

So third dimensional reality is only

 

Rebecca Dawson 

considered to be incredibly influential if there’s a lot of human focus on that.

 

 

So our attention now can be on how that

 

Rebecca Dawson 

third dimensional reality is created. Do we want to try and repair it? I don’t think so. Not for me, personally, I’m more interested in where do these holes lead to?

 

 

What else is there?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

That’s seeing beyond the veil, right?

 

 

Yeah, we want to repair the veil Not really, else. What else is there?

 

 

I don’t want an ambivalence.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

There’s a great respect for the waves. There’s a great respect for the fabric of reality. And I’m not sure I want to really spend a lot of time trying to fix it and put it back together.

 

Bryn 

Yes, otherwise you just like King Canute

 

 

sitting on the beach.

 

 

And

 

Bryn 

do you get a feel? I mean, granted, earlier in the conversation, we said no, we don’t know. Do you get a feel for any of the elements of where we are going? I mean, is you use the words like, third dimension? So where we’re going to fourth or fifth? Or, or? And what would that look or feel like that? What’s the underlying PC where we go?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Yes. Well, we’ve been talking about this for a long time about, you know, fifth fifth dimensional reality is really a bridge to multi dimensionality. So fifth dimensionality is already inherent capacity within human design, because we’re multi dimensional beings, we’re always meant to be multi dimensional. But third dimensional realities become so alluring, and so attention grasping that we’ve gotten a multi dimensionality so it’s not really about where we’re going. It’s about becoming more aware on different versions of reality.

 

Bryn 

It’s really nice. It’s not that we’re going

 

Rebecca Dawson 

we’re not going and the idea is not to get out out of here. The idea is to be able to maintain a point of consciousness here and become aware of other versions of reality. That’s how you create worlds. That’s how you create realities. As you’re just stuck with your attention and one which perpetuates and then you get that perpetual cycle of motion.

 

Bryn 

So any anybody who’s one of those out there I call it the spiritual avoidance warriors. Because the dive into spirituality to avoid

 

Rebecca Dawson 

stuff, oh, I’m going home. I’m not from here. I don’t belong here on this earth. Well, let’s go back to the story of Moses, how do you create a miracle? You have to announce your existence? I am here and which is why we’ve been speaking for a long time about you know, the goal in ascension is not to go anywhere. The goal is to bring heaven to earth which is to bring your multi dimensional awareness to this reality.

 

 

So Your body if you’re still here physically,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

you’re meant to be here. You’re not from anywhere else, you’re from everywhere. multidimensionality is being able to be everywhere at

 

 

once.

 

 

I don’t think a lot of us are having those experiences now.

 

 

Yeah.

 

 

thing in two places at once being in two times at once.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Having to two experiences in the same place. You know, it’s it’s, it’s interesting, we’re becoming more aware of that capacity in ourselves.

 

 

Because, you know, if we’re not trying to fix something,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

and we’re more focused on what it is that we can do, that’s a far more

 

 

expansive

 

Rebecca Dawson 

create use of your time I know that sounds a terrible phrase use of your time but you know, it’s it. You contain you can’t be contained. If you multi dimensional, there’s your freedom right there. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

So, all right, let me rephrase my original question. So can you tell us more about the dimension that our awareness is now opening up to?

 

 

Oh, sorry, I do. I do tend to go.

 

Bryn 

And that’s my role.

 

 

Um,

 

 

alright, so let me let there is a timeline split that’s happened.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Hmm. Now we could look at time splitting into two realms as something mechanical and functional that’s happened, which I do believe has very deliberately been exercised. So there is a timeline split. I won’t go into it too deeply. But we might like to look at some of the sciences that are happening on the planet at this time that enables that to occur. It has occurred several times in the last year. And techniques. So the recent one in in February, there was one in October as well, that I’m aware of. So, again, you know, we could look at this as more, we’re just becoming more aware of our multidimensionality. But if you look at this timeline split, this is becoming really obvious to anybody that’s a bit awake is that we can definitely see how the planet can end up going this way. That’s very clear. But we can also definitely see how the planet could end up going this way, you can see that there are two versions of reality or two timelines that are being shown called potential of the planet. Now, within the third dimensional reality, you have to adhere to linear timelines, that’s how the construct of the fabric of reality is maintained. So in creating a timeline split, you’re still having third dimensional experience, but they are running parallel to each other. So this is a little bit less The bridge to multidimensionality.

 

Bryn 

So you can see and feel

 

Rebecca Dawson 

and feel both, which is why emotionally and in a sorial capacity many of us are swinging throughout the day between this doom and gloom and eternal optimism, because we’re actually existing with two parallel timelines on the planet right now.

 

 

So, our great challenge,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

and it is a challenge. Because we are very sensorial beings, we can sense both. How do we keep our focus in the space in between them? Right, because, really, we don’t really as multi dimensional beings who are here at this time to usher in a new reality. We don’t really want to pick one third dimensional

 

 

timeline over another.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

One what we want is to hold that space in between for something new to be better Because the new work doesn’t sit in any of those timelines, yes.

 

 

It sits beyond them.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

So this is why we’re talking about the fabric where the holes in you got to keep your focus on the holes.

 

 

Yeah, yeah.

 

 

Because then what’s the third option?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

What’s the solution? What’s, what’s the new way? Rather than we have this or we have this, but it’s incredibly distracting.

 

 

I was

 

Rebecca Dawson 

walking down that will cross the Red Sea and there’s a wall of water here and a wall of water here. If you get too close to the sides, and you touch those sides, you could be in trouble. And we know that from ourselves, we drown in each version of reality, we get too close to them.

 

 

I’m talking I’m speaking at this time about people who are highly sensitive and I’m very conscious

 

 

sorry. We don’t know what it’s going to be.

 

 

We don’t know what it’s going to be. But we are going to be seeing a lot of rapid change.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

We are going to have an experience where one portion of human collective consciousness experiences a completely different timeline to the others.

 

Bryn 

And that’s probably the this divergence split.

 

 

Yes. Yes.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

So there is talk about we’ve been talking about a great convergence for some time the convergence is the three different spaces. This timeline, this timeline, those who are sitting in the middle eventually coming into want

 

Bryn 

to hold yourself in a place of not knowing which is something that is so adding to the way we done things the mind needs to know, it will claw to anything. And examples of that are, I’ve said before no hits on new sites or just going off the roof. And, you know, we probably never watched it. Watch the news more than we have, because if anything, anything will give us a sense of control or this. The other atrocities sent in the space where we don’t know which is which quote, my previous guest, Peter Sage is probably a very weak muscle, but we have very weak muscle. There’s almost atrophied for many. But coming out the muscle analogy to do that, on one level, I suppose, requires curiosity and excitement and exploration

 

 

on another level, and correct me if I’m wrong, because this might be throw back to fear. But it also requires a huge amount of faith.

 

 

Faith in

 

 

that

 

 

that’s the question. Correct? faith in

 

 

what suppose on a basic level it’ll be okay.

 

Bryn 

But on but then on something much bigger than you

 

 

i think it’s it’s not even about ice at a certain point.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Sorry. It’s just really strongly at a certain point. We’re being compressed into an experience now, where nothing on offer is good enough.

 

 

Nothing on offer is satisfactory.

 

 

And I think that it’s an inherent knowing that there has to be more than that.

 

 

There has to be more than this. So is that fine?

 

Bryn 

Or is it

 

 

for me it is?

 

Bryn 

Or is it even it is probably even greater than fact it’s a it’s a, it’s a knowing it’s a

 

 

Hmm, well, I love the phrase and I use it all the time. There’s always more.

 

 

There’s always more but it’s not more of the same. Yes, there’s there has to be more.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

And, and again, we go back to this mentality where well, this is our lot in life. This is how it is and we need to make the most of it. But you know that when you walk out into a forest, if you’re willing to really be present, and to have no intention and no purpose and no sense of survival, and nothing that you want, if you don’t want anything from that forest, but you’re willing to just be with it. Suddenly, something else happens. It comes to life, you’re in a different dimensional reality with it. It’s revealed to you. And it’s the same with with life for us, you know, this very mechanical life that we’re in as humans. There must be more than this, but it’s only when you’re willing to drop your purpose, your intention, what you want from life. When you get to the point where you realise I actually don’t want anything from life anymore.

 

 

I just want to know what else is there. And gossip

 

 

because who asked the question?

 

 

Casanova’s cousin. That’s,

 

 

that’s next level questions.

 

 

But it’s, it’s the question that you don’t really even want an answer to You just want the right you want the right to ask the question, the right

 

Rebecca Dawson 

to be dissatisfied because every every master or human or guru that’s ever been on the planet that could call themselves enlightened,

 

 

has got quite a dissatisfaction. When they’ve asked the question,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

what else is there because they’ve had to, they’ve dared to allow themselves to be so dissatisfied with what’s on offer,

 

 

and then they completely see everything differently.

 

 

We all know we all know, when we have read, and I’ve heard people who have had that experience.

 

 

And they’re no longer trying to fix things. After that happens.

 

 

It’s not that they’re in denial. It’s just that they’re working in a new reality.

 

 

And then suddenly, they can see all the waves, but it doesn’t seem to impact them as much anymore.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

So, you know, it’s daring to ask the question

 

 

Oh, that’s yeah

 

 

that’s the greatest rebellion we can have right now I think is not accepting anything on offer.

 

 

Hmm. And it doesn’t mean you’re rejecting anything. No.

 

 

We have to we have to we have to be careful of rejection.

 

 

Yes. Don’t be rebellious rebellious. Sorry. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

 

 

No,

 

 

I mean, isn’t this what meditation is? You sit in meditation and you just want to come naked with nothing? No identity, no purpose. No intent. What is there? What else?

 

 

That’s why we do it. Right. Hmm.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

That’s why we do it.

 

 

Yeah, cuz we want to say we want to know what else what else is there

 

Bryn 

that sits above all the drama things going on all the waves or below. Right?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

So what an incredible incredible opportunity we have right now. Cuz there’s nothing like a bit of dissatisfaction to get people asked the question.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, yeah. I mean it pulls up all those programmes, doesn’t it? I’m not worthy. I’m not deserve it. You know,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

I have to go fix this. Oh, god, I’m a classic. So flagellated from way back. Not only do I have Catholicism in my childhood, but I’m also a Virgo. So the self perfectionism is intense.

 

Bryn 

Oh, you got to Whole catalogue of stuff. Oh, yeah,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

yeah, I’m fully equipped to try and solve the problem.

 

 

You know, and if I can’t solve it out there, I’m gonna try

 

 

and fix myself. Yeah, I must be the problem.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. And it’s interesting to use the word fix. Yeah. If If there’s one thing that’s coming through in my downloads at the moment and what’s coming through in what you’ve just said today, you’re all already. You’re everything. Yeah. It’s the increasing of your awareness of things that are already there. Yes. I think we talked about, you know, learning is almost a misnomer, and self development is, it’s more revelation.

 

 

Yes. Yes. Because it sounds right to ask the question.

 

 

I’m expand.

 

 

What else is there? It’s so audacious isn’t it?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Not to accept anything that’s

 

 

on offer.

 

 

So much to this day she’s taking off

 

Rebecca Dawson 

here in the restaurant and you’ve got an ala carte menu. This is what everything in third dimensional reality is about. You can choose one entree, one main course and one dessert from what’s on offer. If you have that you’re going to sacrifice that experience. If you do that you give up that experience. And there’s a limited amount that’s on offer.

 

 

But to be so audacious and to throw away the menu and say what else you got.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

And chances are the restaurants not gonna have it.

 

Bryn 

Leaving the restaurant you sit there and keep asking Yeah,

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Then you’re a rebel, or you’re, you’re delusional, or you cannot be satisfied or you don’t play along, you know, you’re not the ideal customer that we want. You’re not giving us the right feedback.

 

 

Right without

 

Bryn 

you feel the need to share.

 

 

I’m

 

 

just very briefly

 

Rebecca Dawson 

because this came up. This came up a few days ago, when you birth a new reality that the human body tells us so much about, about our reality in our capacity. This is a dream time right now. So we’re in conception. And conception is where a lot of stuff is happening at a cellular level that’s happening in the DNA in the blueprints, you feel a bit nauseous. You get vertigo, you get headaches, you’re tired and you want to sleep. So I know a lot of people are having these physical experiences at the moment,

 

 

but you can’t see evidence for anything.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Then you go through a nine month period of gestation, which is what the planets moving through at this time, nine months, where there’s a swelling that happens, there’s discomfort, you can’t move a lot, you’ve got to look after yourself. You can’t really go anywhere or do a lot. You can’t seem to achieve a lot. You can’t work as much. And then there’s a birth.

 

 

The birth is happens very quickly.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

There’s a lot of banks and a lot of fear. But ultimately, nothing is the same again afterwards.

 

 

Because your role has changed. Identity is different. Your whole world has shifted.

 

 

When you give birth, so this is where we are. It’s the gene time its

 

Rebecca Dawson 

conception. It’s early, early. gestation time. Hmm. And we have about nine months.

 

Bryn 

I feel like we’re at a point where He’s a really crude analogy. We just wait on the stick, and we’ve gone.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

I love that two timelines. Yep. Yeah. It’s not about choosing one or the other, right? It’s what’s going to happen in the midst of

 

Bryn 

all this strange stuff that’s been happening, you know, talking about it before the show. The strange things happening, like, I just felt different and things are happening. And I’ve had a fatigue in this, you know, some of the Pro, I think I might be.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Yes, yes. And it’s very difficult at the moment, because we’ve moved out of linearity, that horizontal x axis, it’s very difficult for people to expand outwards, to be able to expand their energy. The best way to do that at the moment is vertically, we have a very, very strong vertical axis right now. Very strong, straight out through the body. It’s going to pull you back a little bit. It’s on a bit of a tilt That’s the best way for people, in my experience at this time to feel grounded, and to reset and realign themselves if they’re feeling like they’re all over the place, especially with vertigo that axis on the planet is still tilting, which is why that line is not straight through your body, it is going to pull you back a little bit. But it’s it’s a really fantastic way to completely feel solid again, not many of us are feeling very solid right now. Hmm. I’m just going to throw one little little bit end that I’m being asked to. I don’t know why this is a part of our conversation, but for some of your listeners it is the planets been around this cycle before. And what’s happening now has happened before it happened with electromagnetic fields. It happened with manipulation of electromagnetic fields and currents on the planet and it ended with the demise of

 

 

Atlantis.

 

 

Right something very, very similar playing out again. At this time it will not unfold in the same way

 

 

Yes.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

But if that’s why it’s so huge to so many people. That’s why there’s so much attention on electromagnetics right now on the planet, because there’s such a strong collective memory within humanity that this has happened before.

 

Bryn 

And that electromagnetics was taken before, of course.

 

 

And what did it do? It’s

 

 

so very unlikely to have the same outcome.

 

 

Hmm

 

Bryn 

It’s a nice piece of solace to take in amongst this.

 

 

I get the sense that a lot

 

Bryn 

a lot of entities and beings have come here to watch this.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Well, it’s, it’s it’s history replaying itself, but this time, it’s, it’s not replaying itself within the same fabric. reality. Hmm.

 

Bryn 

I get the sense. It’s not just we people note, it’s also the planet itself.

 

 

Sorry, what was your question?

 

Bryn 

the sense that it’s not just way people who are racing moving?

 

 

Oh no, because that part of a collective of seven, there’s seven.

 

 

It’s almost like I wouldn’t call it like a constellation I would call it.

 

 

What would you call that?

 

 

A collective of seven, seven

 

 

systems?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Yes, we would actually call Earth a system unto itself even though it appears to be one planet, we would call it its own system because it has a very unique energetic vibrational system. There’s there’s others that

 

 

you would call systems unto themselves, but Earth is a part of this seven.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

And so what happens with the earth reality happens is there is awareness of that with the other systems as well. It’s not something I talk about very often I don’t really get into stuff like

 

Bryn 

someone’s curious, they can go and dig around.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

There’s a lot of things I talk about very often but yeah, we Yeah, interesting,

 

 

indeed. And how

 

Bryn 

how are you Rebecca the person processing all of this that’s going on?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Um, I really I found the oscillation between the two different timelines incredibly challenging, incredibly challenging. Whereas we used to feel emotions like this over a number of days or months, I’m I’m swinging almost every hour. So I imagine a lot of us are finding it really challenging at the moment, but I’m also acutely aware that out of the three, the three experiences for collective consciousness at the moment, some people are very, very comfortable staying in the love and benevolence, and this is the way that Earth’s gonna go. Some are very embedded in the, this is doom and gloom and this is how the earth is going to go. I’m very much embedded in the space in between so I’m kind of oscillating, touching odds and, and really trying to focus on the I don’t know with all of that. So it’s it’s challenging. I’m sure it’s challenging for many of us that are sitting in that space. So I thank you for today’s conversation because it’s a great reminder for us to be dreaming in this space about what else?

 

 

Yes.

 

 

And

 

 

how

 

Bryn 

how are you keeping yourself sort of grounded in amongst this you’re getting out for walks and stuff.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Not really. Pay off the dog every day. Yeah, asleep. A lot. I’ve been very busy because you know, I homeschool as well anyway, my son’s in year 10. Now, so there’s a lot involved with that. And my phone’s always very busy. And my emails are very busy during times like this.

 

 

So, physically, for me being vertical and sleeping has been the best thing. I’m doing a lot. I’m dreaming a lot. Jamie when I’m awake and when I’m asleep, so

 

 

it’s an interesting time, but I’m not exempt

 

 

to the roller coaster.

 

Bryn 

And that’s why that’s why I wanted to sort of bring it back to give it back to the person.

 

 

Yeah, I’ll just leave it

 

 

with that was really good.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Yeah, well, I have to say for you know, however many years now, I’ve been practising this. My get out of jail free card has been consistently, I don’t know.

 

 

And every time I really sit in that

 

 

there’s a new pathway that opens up

 

Rebecca Dawson 

So I’ve been practising that for a little while the I don’t know and on on this is if there was ever a time for it’s now

 

Bryn 

you remember from the last time we spoke the last question I asked my guests, although I may have another sneaky one and but my last question I asked my guess is if you could upload a cut a little golden nugget into the collective consciousness for everybody right now what would that be?

 

 

Hmm

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Keep your eye on the holes that are appearing in the spaces. Don’t try and fill them. Sit in them for as long as you can. Because that’s the doorway to the New Earth experience.

 

 

Love it.

 

Bryn 

Love it and Last question, do you have any advice for men who prey on us to where we should be going in this time to be of service?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

I love the way that rail can become reality wi reality, I really feel that what you’re doing is, is weaving a new fabric for why there’s something very unique about the energy here and why we know that. We know that we know that there’s been a city of light here that’s beginning to reveal itself. We know that our isolation is our greatest advantage at this time, we have an incredible opportunity to be able to view the events in the world. From this point of isolation. It gives us an incredible vantage point. It also enables us to be part of the new dreaming and the new dream time for the New Earth reality. So the conversations that you weave are like golf. threads that create the new fabric of reality, the new w a reality. And so, so much gratitude for what you’re doing. Thank you.

 

Bryn 

quite emotional listing.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Yeah, because you know that what you do is not insignificant, you’ve always felt that it’s significant. You just haven’t been able to see

 

 

why.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, yeah, always known that I just needed to do this.

 

 

Yes.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

So you know, Western Australia or the last time the electromagnetic grids were manipulated to the extent that they’re being manipulated. Now, Western Australia was one of the very few places in the world that was not as impacted by those anomalies in the electromagnetic fields. And that’s an interesting question for listeners to ask themselves. Why is that

 

 

well Why is Western Australia largely immune?

 

 

Wow. Well let’s hear

 

 

back to your your

 

Rebecca Dawson 

cup conversation about your pyramid. What did you

 

 

have to add to that pyramid? Let’s take a crystal on the top of it

 

Rebecca Dawson 

so something very interesting about the geology of Western Australia that enables it to have its own

 

 

we would use the term electromagnetic biosphere

 

 

hmm

 

Rebecca Dawson 

good place to wait a new reality bring.

 

Bryn 

It is so stupid, so much to open up to and said not knowing about

 

Rebecca Dawson 

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve asked why why am Fair Why?

 

Bryn 

Yeah, I it’s the first question I asked everybody. And it’s the first question, you know, it was important to me to call the rail. The rail comes from the original template of London rail with the blueprint and the long for nuance conversation which, you know just is so important because the soundbite reductionist argument of the media just does not serve, in fact, a disempowered and it was always important to have why at the start of it, and from that, it was always important for me for reasons I couldn’t understand to to work out. Why mostly because most of my guests

 

 

have come here. There’s

 

 

not that many who have been here, but multi generational. Yeah, I know. And I’ll be honest,

 

Bryn 

hundred and 45 five episodes and 46 episodes, there’s probably been only two. Oh wow. digitus people and that’s not to neglect it’s through struggle to find people to connect and have expansive discussions with I’m sure now said that I’m gonna get inundated.

 

 

Please come, because I’m so willing to listen and learn, not to mention knowledge.

 

Bryn 

But interestingly, some of the people recently who I’ve interviewed to be, have like, three, four or five generations here. Come out with some say, deep wisdom.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Yeah, there’s a there’s something inherent here in Western Australia that it has remained intact for hundreds of thousands of years.

 

 

Hundreds of thousands and it’s been here all this time, all this time. So interesting times. Interesting times,

 

Bryn 

Rebecca,

 

 

so much for your time today. You too. It’s a great way to spend Easter Monday, right?

 

Bryn 

Do people want to reach out and find you?

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Yes, I’ve got a

 

Rebecca Dawson 

website. So it’s my name Rebecca Dawson dotnet. And this actually, I’ve got a membership site that’s going to come up shortly. So you can really dive into I’m going to actually release all of the content we’ve ever done, all in one place. Because if there was ever a time to be able to access all of this, it’s now

 

Rebecca Dawson 

and actually you spoke about purpose

 

Rebecca Dawson 

earlier and purpose in the tent. I’ve just just finished writing a book about purpose. So that should be available on Amazon in the next next week.

 

Rebecca Dawson 

Thank you so much. Tom Thank you, Bryn. It was an absolute pleasure once again

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