#151 The Herbalist – Dipaunka Macrides

Tap into over 35+ years of powerful healing herb and plant knowledge with renowned Perth based Herbal Alchemist Dipaunka Macrides.

From start to finish in this episode, Dipaunka shares his knowledge, philosophies, teachings and wisdom when it comes to working with and appreciating herbs. He goes further than just talking about the chemistry of the plant, he explains the energetics of how they combine to effect the impact on the human body that they do. We cover so many topics and applications.

Dipaunka is a super passionate and knowledgeable man and you can tell that this episode is only scratching the surface of his vast knowledge; I felt it was a real privilege that he chose to share this with me on the podcast.

For the listener, you will be given an abundance of simple options that can be added to your kitchen that will not only enhance the flavour of meals but significantly contribute to your health without having to reach for the pharmaceuticals.

The encyclopaedic volume of knowledge packed into this episode many well be too much for one listening of this episode – but that’s ok, because the episode is going nowhere, and you can listen to it over and over again!

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Bryn 

Tap into over 35 years of powerful healing herb and plant knowledge with renowned Perth based herbal Alchemist to Dipaunka Macrides.

From start to finish in this episode Dipaunka shares his knowledge, philosophies, teaching and wisdom when it comes to working with appreciating Herbs.

He goes further than just talking about the chemistry of the plants. He explains about the energetics of how they combine to affect the impact on the human body that they do. We also cover so many topics and applications.

Dipaunka is a super passionate and knowledgeable man. And you can tell that this episode is only scratching the surface of his vast, vast knowledge. I felt it was a real privilege that he chose to share this with me on the podcast.

For the listener, you’ll be given an abundance of simple options that can be added to your kitchen that will not only enhance the flavour of your meals, but significantly contribute to your without necessarily having to reach for the pharmaceuticals.

The encyclopedic volume of knowledge packed into this episode may well be too much for one lesson by itself, but that’s okay. Because this episode is going nowhere. And you can listen to it over and over and over again.

So enjoy Dipaunka.

 

Bryn 

Hello, and welcome back to WA Real. I’m your host, Bryn Edwards, who follows the oldest form of learning the art of listening to the stories and experience of those around us. It’s particularly here in Western Australia. Why? So we can explore these stories and experience so we can find our own truth. Today I have the great pleasure of welcoming Dipaunka Macrides to the show.

 

Dipaunka Macrides

Welcome.

 

Bryn 

Thanks for thank you very much for having me here. In your Little Temple of healing. So you’re herbalist.

 

Dipaunka Macrides

Yes.

 

Bryn 

35 plus years. Yeah. And before we jump into that. And one of the things I like to ask my guests at the start is, is their relationship to Western Australia. So you were originally born here you had them when they lived in Darwin then chose to come back. Yeah. What was it Like? How old were you when you went to Darwin?

 

Dipaunka Macrides

I was two and a half, two and a half.

 

Bryn 

So was it like growing up there?

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

I would say, absolutely. Fucking awesome. Brilliant. Well, awesome. Well, the freedom that we had as kids growing up and down, we never locked our cars. Initially, I think when I was hitting teenagehood, then things started to change. But we never looked at cars. We never locked the house. We would go to the movies. Dad would leave the keys of the car, in the car, outside the movie theatre. Wow. Yeah. And everybody you know, everybody pretty much knew everyone. Plus the freedom, you know, the freedom that we had growing up and I love tropical fruit so was paradise mangoes jackfruit custard apple sales ops, five Conan’s tamarins, you know wild apples, what people call kangaroo plums, Billy Goat plums. You know Rosella, it was just you know, it was just a plethora of possibility of food. So you know, on weekends we would go out and mom would say, make sure you back for dinner. And that was it. That was it. Yep. We wouldn’t take a pack lunch. We wouldn’t take anything with us and we’d be eating the whole day. Yeah. Plus, I was very fortunate to um, there was a family that were friends of mine, my stepfather’s my dad. And the mum was a full blooded Aboriginal from Arnhem Land. Yeah. And so I used to live going there because I get taught stuff, you know, like, where to find this food or that food or things, you know, Bush, Taka Yes. Which wasn’t bush tax. And then just yeah, just food, just food that you could eat, you know, so I felt very lucky. And I always reflect on my childhood and so I had the best childhood growing up because basically a pair of shorts. Yep, that was it. And I mean, I’m fortunate I have, I have all skin. So, growing up in Darwin. I just just became like a little brown Baby, you know? And I could, we’d come down to Perth to visit family. And all my cousins were obviously growing, living up living down here and growing up here. And there were like, three shades or four shades darker than me. And they’d call me in Greek Marvel, which means black. Yeah. You know, because I’d stand excellent. I just be this little brown kid. And they’d be these white pale pasty kids. Yeah, same family, same bloodlines, but just just different environment environment. You know, we’d go barefoot everywhere. Yeah. So you know, had faith that we’re like, calloused heart stand on the bitumen in the midday sun and not feel thing you know? Yeah. Which actually served me really well because we used to stamp out little bushfires. Yeah. When we were kids, and one day I did exactly that. I stamped out this little fire. It happened to have burning rubber in it and I burnt burnt the soles of my feet off, right? If I hadn’t had such tough feet, I would have had no, I would have burnt right through to my bone. Wow. So yeah, I was very lucky.

 

Bryn 

There you go. How did you end up coming to live in Perth? I’m having gone away and

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

yeah, gone anywhere else and I could have gone anywhere else in the world. I could have gone to anywhere else in in Australia. It was just circumstantial. So I was working for basically the Department of the Northern Territory. strange circumstances but that’s another story. And one day I met this guy and he said Are there there’s you know these really cheap farmhouses. You can get in Western Australia and they cost you you know, it’s 20 bucks a week or whatever it was, and blah, blah, blah. So I had this whole notion in my head about going live on a farm, grow my own veggies, you know, da da da, da da so packed myself up my girlfriend, and we came down here. And that didn’t happen. And, and, yeah, that just ended up staying here. Because, you know, one thing led to another I started playing in bands. Yeah, and then here I am. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But it was it was an it was an adventure. And I guess there was this pool, this calling to come back to why? For some reason, and just the circumstances that that unfolded when I when I landed here. You know, I didn’t have a job. I did lots of little odd jobs here and there. And then I was going to the Theosophical Society, right to do meditations and stuff like that. And one of the times I went there, I met a woman. We started Talking. I have friends who run this vegetarian restaurant in courseload. And I went, Wow, great, you know, because I love to cook. And then the next thing and I’ve got a job there as a cook working in the kitchen. And and then I had a house because everyone worked at the at the restaurant. There was a house that was part of the package deal. So you’ve got rent, plus, plus, plus food. There’s like, okay, that’s awesome. I’m doing something I love which is cooking. I’m living in a great house with really nice people. Plus, I get food plus they get paid

 

Bryn 

out in cars like

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

and I mean goddess like life is good, you know? Yeah. So yeah. So then, yeah, things rolled on from there.

 

Bryn 

So, as I said, You’ve been a herbalist for 35 plus years. Yeah. And

 

 

there’s got to be a story behind that.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, I I guess as a child You know, like, as I explained before in my backstory, I was always fascinated with with with plants and food like trees and growing you know, and being in the bush. You know, I planted the mango tree that grew in our in our backyard. I planted a cashew tree retreat in our front yard. You know, I used to love finding things that we could eat in the bush and but I never ever, the treasure, the trajectory of being a herbalist was never in my consciousness. Yes. Okay, I was working. I left high school I started working as a trainee accountant did six months of that went now who why this is boring is batshit not going to do this. Then got a job in the in the state government working in department of Northern Territory as I said, and then when I came down here, I obviously didn’t have a job and then you know, went through lots of different trades and jobs like worked as a as in a shipbuilding yard, you know, as ta did grant our work Yeah. Did brickies libre due to roofing carpenters labour to do the painting? Like paint contractors offsider you know, did all these other jobs and then worked for Centrelink? Yeah, for like four years where I was like four years, five years, I think. I was like, that was a whole nother trip in itself. Yes. And while I was doing that, I met a woman who I went out with and she was a naturopath. Right. Okay. And through her, I got a, I got an interest in aroma therapy. Because at the time, I just thought, Well, I don’t want to use aftershave because it’s really strange. And it’s got alcohol and it’s ruining my face. Yeah. So I thought I’ll just try and make something for myself. So I made an aftershave balm. And then I’ve thought, well, I need to actually have some knowledge in this. I can’t just be You know, mixing stuff up and then who knows what’s gonna happen? Yeah, you know, suddenly all of a sudden I look like werewolves of London. Yeah. So I didn’t have a therapy course. I was the only I was the only male in the class. Yeah. Yeah. And then I did a massage course, you know, as part of that ongoing process. Yeah. And then I went, well, I’ve done aroma therapy. I’ve done there Sarge. I think I should actually start studying natural setting. So I went to Dunn’s herbal college up in one room, right. started to do a naturopathic course but I just went I want to go this way. That way, then Dana Herbes

 

Bryn 

Yeah, what is the difference train the toe?

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Well, with the nach Petit. When I was studying, we did we did bodywork. We did acupuncture, we did right nutrition and there’s like a big wide Gambit. Very big but the There was a mainstream component in that of herbal medicine. And that was my love. That was my, my passion. I mean, and that’s great. But I want to do herds, I want to do plants because I love plants. That’s the bottom line. I love plants. I love working with plants. I like what they do what they can offer. Yeah, the possibilities with plants. And so then I just went that way and just focused all my studies and all my interest

 

Bryn 

in that that you know that this was like this connection for you with plants, possibilities and probabilities of what they can do. What was that for you?

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Well, if you if you go down that little rabbit hole of plant chemistry, it’s so complex. Yeah, like I could study for the rest of my life and still not have scratched the surface of the complexity of plants I can give you one plant Yarrow for example. You know Yarrow grows in England grows or really good for kidneys circulate urinary antiseptic, all these things, but when you look at the chemistry, but it’s so complicated, there’s like 40 or so chemists, chemicals, isolated chemicals in this thing. And you go, Wow, hmm. And we still don’t know all of the all of the things that all of these things is this there’s so much research being done now there’s so many people that are doing papers on plants and on this chemical or that chemical, etc. So the knowledge is housed within certain plants. Yeah, yeah, the knowledge is far greater now, you know, we have greater access to Okay, so I want to look at this plant. What does that part do? I can actually find this study and that study in that study, and it’s got these guys looked at this chemical or these guys looked at that chemical and you go, Okay, so I know the parameters and the boundaries of what this can do, you know? So yeah, so for me, the The possibilities are infinite. So I’ll give you I’ll give you an example. When I’m when I’m teaching. Yeah. I want The first things I say to my students is okay, I’m going to give you 10 plants 10 Herbes to work with how many how many concoctions Can you make from those 10 parts? And of course, the logical branches are 10 by 10. That’s, you know, 1000 whatever it is, yeah, hundred watts of power 10 to the power of 10. And I go, No,

 

Bryn 

because some Don’t play with each other.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Some don’t play with each other. But now I’m going to give you 10 hertz to play with each other. Yes, but no, because, okay, so I can I can say, because the chemistry is so complicated. There are infinite number of combinations. Well, not quite infinite, but there’s a lot of combinations because I can say to you, okay, so with this herb, you’re going to put five mils of that of a liquid into the mixture. And of this one, you’re going to put two mils of this one, one mil and of that 110 and that one, and then of this one, you’re going to put two drops. Yeah, and that one, five jobs. So you see what I’m saying. So you know, five drops, one drop, two drops, three drops. Five mils, 10 mils, and it goes on and on and on, and you could just play and play and play. And every time you do that you’ve created a whole new concoction. Yes. And and some people say, Oh, yeah, but there’s no chemistry. And it’s not only about the chemistry, it’s the vibratory things and some people say, yeah, that’s, that’s bullshit.

 

Bryn 

And you mean by the vibrator?

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Well, the essence of the plant is still in there, even if there’s only one drop. Yes, energy of that plant is still there, even though living

 

Bryn 

Yeah, energy,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

even though chemically, it’s not going to have an effect. If that makes sense. Yes, like, if I gave gave you five milligrammes of paracetamol, for example, it has we know it has a given effect or if I give you yes five millilitres of ginger, not that I would because that’s too much, but if I, I give you another example, I give you five minutes of MMR I know that it’s going to relax you and you know, ultimately in half an hour you’ll be sleeping. Yes. You know, if I give you one drop of camomile chemistry It won’t affect you but energetically, it will affect you. It’s like homoeopathy, yes with herbs. Yes. Okay, so like drop therapy, you know I have a I have a friend very dear friend who years ago was having severe anxiety and she said I need something I can’t leave the house and she literally couldn’t leave the house yet. So I said okay, I’ll make something up for you. She’s very sensitive very intuitive. She comes from a long line of strega which is Italian which is right so we worked it out that she only needed to have like five or five drops of this one particular mixing 15 drops of another next things is riding a moped scooter down Rockingham road well in the middle of traffic. Yeah, but it was dropped not you know, not a whole big you know, normal five mil guys. So you can say well, how’s that working cuz she’s not getting all the all the chemical components that she needs. It’s like, Yeah, but the vibration is there and it’s enough, you know? We know through quantum physics that everything is vibration. Yeah, we know that everything is moving and in doing its thing in the infinite multiverse is, you know, that’s what it is atoms upon atoms upon solar systems upon galaxies upon

 

Bryn 

who knows what you see, those are I’ve been drawn recently to those pictures where they you know, they put leaves and you can see the light coming from what they call the bio. Bio energetic. Yeah,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, so, um, and that,

 

Bryn 

that in and of itself is fascinating. You know, this. Yeah. There’s the chemical, physical, tangible aspect of the molecular structure of how the plants put together. By nature. Yeah, exactly. And, but at the same time, it’s not like a paracetamol, which is something synthetic that’s been put together. Yeah. This is actually a living entity.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, exactly. So

 

Bryn 

you’ve got for your taking on that energetic signature.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Absolutely. And you know, It’s like anything if the plant has been nurtured and grown with care and love, then it’s it’s it’s vibratory energy is going to be greater it’s chemistry, again, depending on the soil conditions while it’s being fed is going to be greater, you know. So depending on where the Herbes are sourced from some are going to be far more potent than, say something that’s been neglected and hardly given any, you know, good food, food, fertiliser, etc. You know, yeah. So, when I’m working, I mean, I obviously try to source organic growing harvests if I can, not things that haven’t been irradiated. I try and source as much as I can or grow as much as I can on on the farm here. Yeah, because I know what’s gone into it and so therefore, the, the potency is going to be far greater

 

Bryn 

and interesting. You’ll imprint upon it as well. Exactly your intent, your energetic signature will be in there.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Exactly. And that goes into when I’m when I’m making up my herbal tinctures my intention when I’m Making them up is I know what that plant does, what it’s capable of what its personalities, if that makes sense. Yes. So it’s like an athlete, you know, you know that this guy can run in the hundred metres in three minutes. Yes, you know. So, you know, that’s his forte. So, this particular herb, I know what its forte is because I’ve studied I’ve worked with it, I understand it, I have a relationship with it

 

Bryn 

at the time of the transfer of energy and understanding exactly.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

So when I’m when I’m brewing the brew up, it’s like, you know, like the little witch cackle boil boil and shovel sort of thing. But you know, I just say okay, I know this. My intention for this particular medicine is to work on say the liver. And so that’s the intention I give it even though I know chemically it targets the liver by also giving it that that you know, essence of what I know it to do that potent ties is that I guess as your as your Mixing in any going Yep, okay, this is for liver. This is going to, you know, repair liver cells or this is going to cleanse the liver of toxins and whatever it is. And so you know, you’re adding, I guess knowledge, like, you know, I’ve studied the herb, I’ve looked at the chemistry. I’ve done my due diligence and research as much as I cannot. So I know what it’s capable of physically. And then also energetically, just giving you that little extra boost. And some people might say, yeah, that’s bullshit. That’s hippie, dippie, airy fairy stuff. You know,

 

Bryn 

you know what’s coming up for me right now as I listen to you. Is is in the second matrix fell. Yeah. When the merovingian sends over this chocolate cake to the lady, yeah. And he’s programmed it and he’s programmed it to give her an orgasm. Exactly. Right. You see all the holes?

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah. And she’s that eating it. And all of a sudden at the table, she’s getting wet. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

Oh, she’s getting wet. And they’re like, oh, table. Yeah. And she’s like, Oh, my God, what’s happened and she’s surprised and he’s chortling to it. Yeah.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Exactly, exactly this is exactly the same. And that’s what it is. I mean, we are in the matrix. So it’s exactly that, you know, intention is everything for me, you know. So that is a vibratory signal that is a vibrating signal, and you know, so when I’m making my Herbes, I’ll make sure you know, that I’m not distracted and I’m not in a, I’m in a really good space. I mean, you know, I’m really focused on

 

Bryn 

smashing it together and thinking about tea.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, I’m not smashing it together and going what’s on the telly? Well, I don’t have a television anyway, but you know, weapons of mass distraction, as you said, Yeah, right there. You like that. But um, yeah, no, that one’s definitely on the cards. But so yeah, so I think it’s, it’s very important, you know, I’ll put some really nice music on for example, you know, to infuse it, you know, and when I’m, you know, want to create something that’s really nice and strong and energetic. I’ll put on something you know, that’s uplifting and if I want to something that’s nice and chilled and calming. I’ll put on something it’s just Yeah, nice and sweet. The whole

 

Bryn 

Yeah, yeah, thing and then it’s almost captured in that thing that you put together.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah. And and I think, you know, for me to have that personal imprint and to have that much more personal personalised manufacturing aspect is important because I know what’s gone into that medicine. So when I’m sitting with clients, I can say, as I’m making up something for them, I know exactly what that brewery is. I know exactly, you know, what’s been done, how it’s been made. What’s been infused in it, you know, so I can Yeah, I can offer that service with confidence and, and with integrity and also duty of care, because it’s like, yes, I’m offering you something that I’ve personally put together from, you know, start to finish not grown hurts, but some of them Yes, I’ve grown Yeah. So the ones have grown even more so because I can Well, I planted this, I grown it, I’ve nurtured it. I’ve taken care of it, and I’ve harvested it and then I’ve presented it and I’m giving it to you as a mayor, you know, so this whole cycle,

 

Bryn 

you know, a period of time ago in a non disclosed location, yes, the purposes of this, and I decided to grow some marijuana, right. And I looked after the plan and went out and talked to it in print and did it after it, dried it and get handed some out to some of my friends. The overwhelming feedback was Fuck, that was like hanging out with you. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like this intense version of hanging out with bread.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, there’s bringing in a plant. Yeah, yeah. Ah, yes. Yeah, well, that’s, that’s the thing. I mean, this is another little rabbit hole we could go down and explore is that everything is vibration. Yes, everything is energy. You know. So, you’re what you bring to the table and the intention is like food. There was a great movie I can’t remember the name of it. It’ll it’ll come to me. Yeah, where this woman was, was making food and you know, when she was sad people would eat it and they’d start crying for no apparent reason when she was feeling happy there will be joyous and happy when she was in love. And they’re all you know, getting that sort of large I’m happening. I’m fine. Yeah, and and people and I guess this is like a little segue into healing and and know how people can get sick. If you’re going to McDonald’s, or you’re going to a restaurant. And I’m not trying to diss McDonald’s, although there is a possibility of, you know, yeah, talking about the food quality, but if you go to a restaurant or a cafe, you know, and the chef’s had a really shitty day, he’s pissed off. You know, he’s just sliced his finger off his his missus or his or his partner, whatever gender the partner is, has given him a hard time. Yeah, that’s the energy is putting into the food. That’s the energy you’re getting when you eat it. And then That’s infusing this vehicle with that vibration. Yeah, if you keep inputting that that’s what you get, you know, what are what we eat? Yes. Vibration wise, not just nutrition, chemistry, chemistry. So, you know, he’s reading fruit that’s been picked by someone who was having a really shit day. Yeah,

 

Bryn 

the net vibration. And if, if someone’s sitting here listening to this and going, Oh, I’m not so sure about that. Let me just ask you, like, when have you walked into the room and thought to yourself, fuck, just cut a slice to the atmosphere and, you know, it’s tangible. They’re, you know, people are emitting this stuff. So why why, if you can admit that to yourself, why is this such a big leap?

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, well, I mean, you know, you look at look at, say a football game, like, well, your English Yeah, footy game, Manchester United and Birmingham or Manchester, Leeds. The As you say, The atmosphere is cut that with a with a, with a feather. It’s that tangible on that. Yes. You

 

Bryn 

know, so you know, it’s just an energy that’s been put out. Yeah,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

exactly. That’s just from a footy game. So imagine that going into food something that you’re actually consuming, you know, and and so for me I guess you know again getting back to duty of care when I’m making up up I herbal medicine you know, I want to make sure I’m giving the best quality and I’m not trying to be self promoting I’m just saying you know, I being aware of the energy that’s that I’m putting into that is really important. So then it’s going to do the herb will do its best job. Yes, when it’s infused into this, the other person’s vehicle their body, yeah, it’s gonna do it’s, you know, it’s almost like

 

Bryn 

a multi layered thing with the the chemistry is there but the energy is packed in as well and it’s this whole thing ready to go.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Absolutely. And you know, the results speak for themselves, you know, when I get feedback from clients saying, you know, so you come to see me for a session, we talk about what’s going on what you need we make up some medicine or give it to you when you come back not okay, so Bryn, how are you going? You know, how, how have you been feeling since you’ve started the herd has x condition improved, or not improved, you know, etc, etc. You know. So that sort of feedback is really important, because people will come back and say, yeah, I’m feeling great. I’ve got more energy, it’s like, okay, great little note to self. Yes, we’ve done a good job here. You know, and this is, I guess, the empirical evidence side of this is from doing this from so many years and having seen, I don’t know, thousands of people, the clients. I know that my energy is and what I put into the medicines I’m making is definitely having an effect on the client. Yes, yeah.

 

Bryn 

You just have that experiential. Yeah.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Because of our way Yeah, I mean, you know you do it’s like science is you do the experiment, you get a result, you do the experiment again, you get the same result. You do the experiment again, you get the same result. It’s it’s that’s real evidence. It’s work here.

 

Bryn 

You know, that’s, that’s going back to

 

 

classical science

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

now modern day science, classical science

 

Bryn 

as classical science. Yes. If I’ll do the experiment at home, wherever it works, so do it and do it. Two questions that popped to mind as listened to you that was in your journey. Was there a point was the knowing always they’re always they’re a bit of a show where this is going. And then all of a sudden, they were, you know, a couple of occasions where you just thought fuck this powerful and I’m doing the thing now, or was the growing what was the knowing always there and it just came to the front was there it’s been a it’s ever been a time when you’ve surprised yourself with the results that you’ve brought it often. Often. Often. Yeah,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

because You know, I keep I keep bringing new. It’s like It’s like, it’s like someone who likes is a aficionado of collecting musical instruments or guitars or cars or whatever, you know. So, you know, when I first started, I think I had 20 or 30 Herbes that I was working with. Yeah, now I’ve got 344 combinations

 

 

of Islam.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

No, no single individual hurts.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, donations are kind of mind boggling.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah. But you know, I and I keep swearing I’m never gonna add a new herb in there because yeah,

 

Bryn 

every time I’m fine with the

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

catalogue is good. Every time I add a new herb, it means more bottles. It means more you know, ethanol that I have to get it means more you know, everything gets more yes you know, so, but then I discover something new I got really got to have this one in the arsenal because this is just a duster. Nothing. Yeah, doing the thing. Like lion’s mane, for example. Yeah, this is Marsha. Oh my god, you know, just sort of burst into the scene because this race thing. Yeah, and thank you Paul Stamets for introducing the guys down south. No. Paul Stamets is in America. He’s Yeah, sorry, Michael mycologist. But you know, that what this stuff does, I mean, it regenerates brain cells. You know, it restores the myelin sheath in the body. My eyesight is improving from taking this. Like, I literally fucked my eyes when I was nine years old. I had an explosion in my face. And I’m lucky that I actually can see, thanks to a really good eye surgeon who was a good friend of my paternal father. Yeah. And he basically he saved my eyes. But yet, my eyesight improved. I had not slight night blindness and, you know, long sighted So, something up here I couldn’t read but now I’m going I can actually read that. What the Hell no, of course it’s the lion’s mane. Hmm. So you know, of course I had to have that you know, and then now I’m just about to do an extract of Turkey tail mushroom mushroom, which is Chinese versus Versa Kala and the things that that does is just incredible. So all these all these fungi, you know, Reishi should turkey You know, my turkey, Lion’s Mane turkey tail. Them amazing what they do. So, you know, like, I’m always constantly just going Oh, geez, I cannot I cannot. I’ll right. I’m just gonna get it anyway. And you know, it goes like that. So, your question was, do you price yourself with it?

 

Bryn 

Yeah,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

um, I guess the first 10 years of being a herbalist. I thought I knew stuff. I didn’t know shit yet. And then the next 10 years or so, yeah, I’m good. I’m the man. You know, I’m on to this stuff. Like, no. Yeah, I don’t know anything. And then in the last decade I’ve gone. I think I’m starting to slowly get a handle on this. Yeah, I think I’m starting to get a grasp of how this all works, you know, because like I said, there’s so many layers to this energetic closes the chemistry, there’s the interfacing between different Herbes and and some Herbes works so well together, they just have this natural symbiosis and this natural affinity to each other. And when you put them together, you go, Oh, my God, you know, this is like, Matt, what it is magic. Yeah. And, you know, magic is science we just haven’t yet discovered. Yeah, that’s all magic is all magic. That’s airy, fairy hippie. dippie shit. No, it’s not. It’s science. It’s just we haven’t discovered how that you know. Exactly. works. So. So yeah, the the journey is is is ongoing. And I always say, and I try to be as humble as I can about this. I always say, if I had the rest of my life doing the work I’m doing, I’m still only scratching the surface of what’s available. Yes. There’s a guy, Mark Plotkin, who’s written a book called the shamans apprentice, and he’s done a video. And he he knows I fellow in Suriname in North Eastern South America. This guy knows over 2000 plants Latin name, common name in like local in indigenous name. It knows how they flower when they when they when they fruit it’s at all. And it’s just like, I’m a baby compared to that. Yeah. I mean, I know a lot of stuff, but compared to that, it’s like, I don’t know shit. You know? And you think Wow, man. So, you know, another 10 lifetimes maybe I might have a handle on this. But in,

 

Bryn 

you know, how much does the sort of the, the acceptance and the belief patterns of the client play a role in this? Because if you’re bringing this energetic and chemical and package of stuff,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

yeah. There’s, you know, a lot of people,

 

Bryn 

you know, are going to be absolutely, yeah, we’ve grown up in this very sort of managed regulated environment. You know, scientists decent. The doctor plays this role and the pharmacist internal auditor there and then all of a sudden, it’s like, oh, yeah, cuz What are you talking about? 20 you know, the mainstream would be considered alternative.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, well, it’s no though. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

I get you there. But you know, the standard sort of person turns on the light. Alright, and I’ll give it a whirl. Yeah, let’s say, Well, how much is it rolled? Is there? I want this to work. I’m curious. I’m not sure why. So

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

psychology plays a big part in this because you know, there are some people who would just no matter what you gave them, it’s not going to work yet because the mind is just set. This is not going to happen. Most people who come to see me have, obviously a desire to to get better a desire to be well and to not be in the story that they’re in. So, some people, they’ll come back and so nothing happened. Two or three times they’ll come back. Nothing happened. And so my question is, then why are you back here? Yeah, if nothing’s happening, why would you even come back to see me? Yes. And then so then I’ll ask them the question like, so. Did you sleep improve? Oh, Yeah, actually, I’m sleeping a bit better. It’s like, dude, you bow movements improved, you know, just the basic stuff. Yeah, actually, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What about your energy? If you got a bit more energy a bit more get up and go? Oh, yeah, actually, yeah, I’ve been doing a bit more around the garden and whatnot. So nothing’s happened, right? Yeah. Yeah. And, and basically, my my disclaimer now is when someone comes to see me, I just say, look, before you even start, you need to, you need to answer these two questions. You know, are you going to be prepared to follow the the instructions? The dietary advice? You know, it’s such as that I give you and are you really committed to to doing this? Because it may take it may take some time. Yeah. And if you want to, yeah, you can’t say if you can’t say yes to both those questions. You need to actually leave now because you’re going to waste your time and money and my time and my time is really valuable. Yes. Not in a monetary sense, but just valuable to me. Yeah, you know, because like we discussed before, I mean, I could die any second now a lot of wasted, you know, talking to someone who doesn’t really want to be here and who doesn’t really have faith in what I’m offering, you know? Yes. And you you mentioned something about, you know, the faith in science and all that. When people say, Oh, this is alternative, it’s like, well hang on a minute. If you if you listen to, you know, people like Graham Hancock or Terence McKenna. Yeah, they’re talking about the the naked ape theory, or, you know, the stone date was Terence McKenna’s thing. Yeah, like from day dot when we first got up on our I our two legs and started walking around the planet and doing stuff. We were sticking shitting our mouths, you know, we were sampling things, mushrooms and plants and berries. And yes, some of them killed us. You know? Yes, some of them tasted good. Some of them were really funky. We had some pretty psychedelic, you know, experiences. So we know that one’s good for partying. That one’s good for you know, killing people. That one’s good to eat and that one’s gonna get get rid of my headache. You know? So that’s been since humankind has been walking the earth, you know. So people say what about, you know, some evidence, you know, there’s no science, it’s like, empirical evidence is science. Like we discussed before, if you’ve eaten, said herb, so it’s chamomile, and every time you’ve taken it, you fallen asleep, you would say, generally, according to the science journal correlation, is the correlation is there that camomile helps you sleep? Yes. And it’s been going on for the last two millennia. Every time someone has Kevin while they fall asleep? No. Kevin was a sedative. Yeah, this is the assumption the correlation that you

 

Bryn 

enjoy fantastic because then we go fucking it up with trying to work out why as opposed to look.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Well, there are certain chemicals in there that have an effect on our physiology, you know, yeah. And you know, and there’s also a chemical compound in there in the essential oil in chamomile called Asia Lang which gives us gives you the oil, it’s blue colour when you actually extract it. But Asia lien is an anti inflammatory. Yeah, and it’s in urine. It’s in several other Herbes and Yara is also anti inflammatory. So you got to say, Okay, this compound Asia line, which they’ve actually studied and checked out, has anti inflammatory properties. So we know that if you take camomile it’s gonna stop some inflammation in your system. Yeah. Especially in the digestive system, which is where it sort of targets. Yeah, so yeah. That’s, you know, that’s your, your evidence and that’s your, you know, your thread to go back to the question that you asked.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. Which is about working with other people. Yeah.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah. believes. I mean, and of course, you know, some people are just so set in rigid in their belief systems. You know, you could give them the most potent you know, sedative in the world, nigga not didn’t sleep yet. You know, you can give him like 50, Valium, and then like, not things like it’s not gonna nothing’s gonna work for them. So you might just go, No.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, maybe not open to possibility and probability.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah. If you can’t, if you can’t be open to allowing, or you’re so stuck in your belief systems and you’re so rigid in your, your, you know, long little box, I can’t help you. There has to be some acceptance and some openness to to working with any medicine. Yeah, doesn’t matter whether it’s allopathic or herbal. If you’re not open to the possibility, then, you know, it’s not gonna work. Mm hmm. So you,

 

 

obviously,

 

Bryn 

you receive clients and what have you, but you also teach as well. Yeah. Yeah. And I think you were telling me earlier all about one of the first sort of general questions you ask your clients is around. If you had a lifestyle, my students Yeah, yeah, yeah, the students is that if you had a lifestyle threatening condition, what would you do?

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah. Yeah. And I know and i and i preface that with, there’s no right or wrong answer, you know, so if you say, look, I’d go get chemotherapy, right, go, you know, do this or that or do nothing. That’s fine. You know, I posed the question, because then I follow it with a little, little follow up statement, which is, well, why aren’t you doing that now?

 

Bryn 

Yeah, exactly. No, do you know what we I I it mazing you say that? And so I’ve been a Reiki practitioner since 2000. Right. And and I don’t go out and I’ve got like a clinic and everything. Yeah. But, you know, people will comment I’ll do it or you know, it’s generally for me and the loved ones close to me, because of the conversation probably about five years ago when I was the sort of peak of family Here’s a guy who has a peak of corporate brain. And and, and I didn’t sort of let a lot of people know this, but there was one young lady and I and I sort of put out there What do you think about, like Reiki or something like that? And she sort of said, Well, you know, I’d like really terminal cancer or something like that. I was right at that really pointy end of that was probably something that I would look I would look at Mars was why you wait until fucking then.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And that’s, that’s, that’s gonna lead me down to the next little segue. It’s like, Why wait? Yeah. And it’s like with this current current climate with the the whole COVID story. In all these people, all of a sudden you couldn’t get any seedlings anywhere. You couldn’t get any seeds anywhere else. Like, why did you wait until we had this supposed pandemic to do that? To start thinking Oh shit, I better start growing some food all you know, I better make sure I’ve got some Herbes and some veggies, you know? Yes. Like, why wait, you know, for me, you know, I’ve I’ve been vegetarian since I was 21 I’ve learned a lot of very healthy lifestyle. You know, I don’t smoke. I haven’t drunk alcohol for so long. I can’t remember. But you know, and I’m not saying well look at me, I’m great. I’m just saying, you know, I made my choices. conscious choices. Yeah. And so, yeah, I look at that and go So, with all of the stuff that’s going on in the world and all the disease, you know, like, diabetes is up, cancer is up, you know, asthma is through the roof. There’s all these things and, and their environment is is responsible. We’ve been putting chemicals and things out there that are causing these issues, but diet comes back to diet. It’s really simple. You know, like, just make a few lifestyle and dietary changes and see how you feel. You know, cut out sugar, cut out sugar. You know, just that one thing. And see what happens. See how you feel you probably going to feel like shit for a week or two because all the little candida overgrowth in your body is going to go nuts and you’re going to start going because it’s it’s apparently worse than giving up heroin giving up sugar right? Yeah, I don’t know if that’s a true statement. I won’t buy that but that I’ve heard this yeah and yeah and and sugar is in everything you know, I’m a shocker for going shopping with you know, like because I pick up everything and read the live on going what’s in it you don’t want to know what’s in it because I don’t want to know what I’m putting in my body. And and people probably get very disturbed by me when they’re going past me in this in the studio. Because what the fuck Oh my god. Oh my god diabetes in the Can you know? Yes, everything’s got sugar in it. Because the the Mac the trifecta for getting people hooked is fat, salt and sugar. Okay, is when you go back to like our our hunter gatherer days, you know, mate wasn’t so readily available. You know, we didn’t have freezers and fridges that we could just ship half a carcass, you know, a side of beef into or you know, go down to the, the fish in the lake and fish and shove it in the freezer, you had to eat it then in there, basically. So, you know, this fat you sold back in the day in the Roman days, you know that saying a man is worth his salt. People were paid in salt, right? So there’s a in our brains is this little reward mechanism. It’s like, Oh, you’ve got salt. You’ve done a good job. So you know, and then sugar. Again, you know, back in the day when we were hunter gatherers, to find some berries or some sweet fruits or a little bit of wild honey was like bonus, you know? So those three things and you look at all these manufactured products now what are they got in them? They’ve got oil, so you’ve got fat, they’ve got salt, and they’ve got some form of sugar, if not three or four forms of Sugar, glucose syrup, molasses, you know, sugar, that’s all sugar. You know? Yes. fructose corn syrup. You know, all it’s all sugar, but people don’t see sugar. So they think ah, it’s okay. But it’s sugar. It’s sugar people, you know? Yeah. So yeah. So, so getting back to that thing, why wait? It’s like, well, you don’t have to become vegan or vegetarian or raw macrobiotic whatever. You can just make a few lifestyle changes. Okay, I’m not gonna go and get takeaway. That simple. I’m gonna I’m going to cut down on sugar. Yeah, that simple or I’m going to not eat a chocolate. You know, bad chocolate. I’m actually only going to eat really good, you know, raw, like dark chocolate. Yeah. Because the more the darker the chocolate The more you know, of the good stuff you’re getting. You probably got that when you spoke. To below about chocolate. Yeah, yeah. So you’re getting all the good stuff with raw dark chocolate. So you know making healthy lifestyle choice. Yes. Is a no brainer upgrading. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

But it’s the food that you eat.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, it’s a no brainer because I’m being being a health practitioner and seeing clients who are suffering and going through, you know, whatever the whatever disease state they’re in, it makes you really conscious of making good lifestyle choices. And, you know, being sick is not a not a really good way to be living your life.

 

Bryn 

No, you know, what percentage of your clients come to you who got a problem compared to those who come to you come to you for general well bear.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Most of the ones that are coming, have got probably got some sort of disease date that they have to be looked at. There’s some a few, not very many that come to see me just for well being. It’s like Yeah, I just feel a bit low, you know? He’s using it down. I just want a bit of a boost. there not many, huh?

 

Bryn 

So, so again, I’ve been trying to find for a little while because I do this sort of things in my concentration span.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, hold it for a period of time.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. I do private legacy interviews, right, they can go for four to six hours and just want to be able to perform. Yeah, and, and keep sharp keep sharp and things like that. And, and I I don’t know, whether it’s me or because of what I do, but I’m sort of moving from the rather than not get ill. It’s what do I need to do to be? Supermax healthy? Yeah, like optimum. Yeah. And and why shouldn’t I ask that? Yeah, you know, it’s my divine sovereign right to be able to do that if I want to. Yeah. And then to find somebody like, what you soon realise once you get to that point who can help me with that? Yeah, go forwards not bring myself Yeah, then all of a sudden you ask questions around that, and people might not really know what I’m used to putting people back together again.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah. The look. I mean, this is gonna lead into the whole story of growing food and growing veggies and hurts and all that there are simple things that you can do to maintain good health, you know, and certain plants, which I’ll talk about in a minute. But again, the wild Wait, you know, to me is really important. So, yeah, to to have a lifestyle. A healthy, you know, lifestyle and a good level of health. Yeah. is really critical to your performance. Yeah. As as a as a being on this planet at this time, in your own experience as you who you define yourself as exactly because if you if you can’t give your best, then what are you doing? In any given situation, if you can’t give your best, what are you doing? And if you can’t give your best because you You’re unhealthy, then you need to step back and say, Okay, what am I? What are the lifestyle and dietary choices that I’m one of those choices are making unnecessary and unhealthy and that I should just remove from my existence because you know, being healthy is really important and living your life in a state of good health is really important because you get so much more because you’re not worried about our got this egg and that egg and this is wrong with me and that’s wrong with you, guy. Wow, look at this sun shining, it’s been raining, the plants are singing, the ground is humming The earth is just going Ah, and you’re loving life, you know. And so

 

Bryn 

none of this is getting in the way of that.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, and this isn’t having an impact or an effect on that because you’re going Yep, I’m feeling good. You know, because I actually made a choice to cut out sugar or I made a choice to stop drinking alcohol or on made a choice to you know, stop smoking water or stop coffee. You know, coffee Oh my god, you know, people. I’ve had people come and see me as like, oh yeah. You know, I have coffee. And I was like, yeah, how many cups a day and some people are saying five or six. It’s like, I’m sorry, what?

 

 

You’re an addict?

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

And have you looked, just do the research and again, excuse me, I’m getting back to my students and my classes. I always say to them, we’ve discussed this before, don’t believe anything I tell you. Do your own research. Go. Go find out for yourself. Do the experiment. Okay. So if you’re a coffee person, and you drink three or four cups of coffee a day, stop for a week and see what happens. You’re gonna go through hell, you’re gonna get headaches, you’re gonna get irritable. Avoid sugar, and then if you put sugar Yeah, you know, so And what is that doing to you? Body, it’s it’s pumping your adrenaline up. Your cortisol, cortisol levels go up, and then you have a slump, because all of a sudden your adrenaline is dumped out and you’ve got nothing. So you need another coffee to get you back up again. You know, it leeches calcium out of your bones, you know, and it’s and where did it come from? And that’s another thing. Another little rabbit hole, we could go down. It’s like mould and stuff. No, no, where did it come from? Oh, what are the what are the carbon miles on that? What’s the actual process of getting that coffee to you? In your little cup? So you can have your maca Chino mop, Mako taco, whatever the hell it is, you know. I this is a little example. I bought some with a call Tiger nuts. I haven’t eaten them yet. And my housemate said, Did you have a look at the packet? I said, Yeah, it’s just got Tiger nuts in there’s no salt, no sugar, no fat and I think and she said yeah, but the Did you see where it came from? I don’t know. It was grown in Africa, growing and picked in Africa sent somewhere else then sent to New Zealand and packed and then sent to Australia. And Holy shit. I’ve just clocked up like 10,000 carbon miles just to get this packet of little targets I mean enable not targets testicles, but you know, yeah, little tube little legging. But yeah, so you know, like, there’s that as well to think about Okay, so where did this beautiful avocado come from then on just stuffing down all this, you know, luscious pour, pour all these mangoes and on hanging into, like how many carbon miles to get to my plate, you know? And there’s Um, there’s a guy in the United States called Ethan who’s did an amazing podcast. He lives on 170 acre farm with his family and a bunch of other people that don’t have electricity. They’re sort of like Amish but Amish people, but they’re not Amish, they just decided to do a really simple permaculture lifestyle. Yep, no electricity. No petrol driven anything. Right. And if they can’t, if it’s not grown within 100 mile radius of where they live, they don’t they don’t eat it, they don’t buy it. I mean, hats off to that, you know, I haven’t got that there yet. But, you know, I think if we start to really look at where our food comes from, you know, what’s involved in getting it to us and then starting to say, Well, you know, the other things that I can do without and then getting into the herbal side of it, and the growing side was like, Well, if I just have a few simple things that I’ve got in my garden, I can actually keep myself in my family healthy. Yes, all the way through winter, all the way through flu season, all the way through high fever season, you know, etc, etc. saij time, Rosemary golic you know, they just some basic ones Yes. Bailey’s amazing. Yeah super tasty yeah super tasty you know a bit of coriana a curly like curry for example easy to grow who they grow really well here, curry leaf tree. It’s got an incredible range of properties now haven’t introduced that yet into my range of herbal tinctures. But that’s another one that I struggle with this law got not another one. But yeah, I’m going to because it has all these amazing properties, you know? Yeah. So there there are things that are easy to grow here that that people can do that they can utilise it on their in a day to day setting. What what

 

Bryn 

are we talking putting into food or is there other simple things that distilling and just into food?

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, just into food. You know? Yeah, I often joke with people and say, Look, if the apocalypse comes in, everything shuts down in this. I can’t buy anything. I’m good for the next 20 years, because I’ve got all these dried herbs that I can just rehydrate in any, you know, sure, it’s not going to be that great calorie wise or, you know, it’s not going to probably look great or you know, may not take it to the job, but it’ll do the job because all of the hurt all the herbs have minerals and vitamins in them, and enzymes, which are all necessary for this machine that aren’t mean to function yet to function. Well, you know. So, I think education is really important for people to know that hey, there’s some really simple things you can do. They said sage,

 

 

garlic,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

rosemary, lavender grows really well here in wha Yeah, you can use lemon to you know, for cuts and bruises. You can make up a little brew of lavender tea to help you sleep. No, it’s good for high blood pressure. You know, there’s a whole bunch of stuff you know like Wormwood for parasites. Tansy for parasites, you know we’re saying your ashwagandha really good for anaemia. Hmm. And also, you know, the roots are really good for energy and keeping an eye grows like a weed here. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

Just chop it up and

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

you’d have to bring that up as a team. But you know the other things I mentioned, they’re all county hubs. You can just use them in your food shopping up in salads, you know, indoors radicchio, you know, mustard, mustard greens, amazing, you know, just get some mustard seeds from your local deli or not deli like, you know, agents store wherever chuck them in the ground. They’re weighed. Yeah, low maintenance. You don’t have to do anything. That stuff will just grow grow. You know, nasturtiums? That’s the I don’t know assertions. Yes, like they have really good ground cover, but full of vitamin C. Yep. Antibiotic antiviral. We’re coming into flu season. Oh, there’s COVID Fuck, I might have some ministration leads and some installation flowers. You know, I mean, that’s an oversimplification. And there’s probably people out there go, oh, there’s no scientific evidence and that’s all just hoo ha. But it’s like, I tell you what if you just ate garlic, and assertion, ladies and flowers, you pretty much set. Yeah. I’ll give you a little a little anecdote. My my uncle. I spoke to him a few weeks ago and we had just to check in and see how he’s doing because he’s, he’s a widower. He’s living on his own on just Hey, going uncle Yo, okay. Yeah, yeah, Mac pros. He calls me Mac. Yeah. Because my surname obviously. And he said, Ah, what’s all this nonsense going on? It’s all SCADA, which is shit in Greek. Yeah, yeah. And he said, yo, yo, yo, yo, my Nana and and Monica dunkleman great art came out from Greece in 1918. Yep. right smack in the in the Spanish flu. Yes. Which killed 50 million people? Yes. Okay. So, Spanish Flu compared to this sucker? Forget it. And they were in Singapore for six months. They were stuck in Singapore for six months. cooks couldn’t come into Australia because of the Spanish float. Yep. And Singapore major port. And guess what was going through Singapore the whole time over there. Yeah, boatloads of soldiers all coming from from Europe. Oh, had the Spanish flu. And he said Mac. They didn’t get sick once. You know, why was it No uncle? Why is it because they had garlic every day. He said they ate garlic every day. Never got sick. All right. Great. Good to know. Mm hmm. So you know, if you want some anecdotal, ya know, you

 

Bryn 

got another one. Haven’t you about that? The four thieves as well. Yeah,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

yeah, yeah. But just just from, I guess, experimental evidence based situation. Yeah. You got three people who are in a port. Yeah. Where there’s high exposed high exposure. And every day they just ate garlic. Didn’t get sick. And then my my stepfather, my dad came back from Hong Kong, right, right in the middle of the Hong Kong flu epidemic. And he had the flu I’m still here. Kapow. Kapow. Because my mother god bless her would have been fucking savage got like into it. You know? Cuz I mean, she, you know, great. That’s what she did everything had garlic in it. Yeah. Growing up as kids everything and garlic in it. So it’s just like, yeah, yeah, the four thieves so Some, some people may not know this, but they were in the time of the Black Death, which, so I just need to consult my my little notes here. Yep. 75 at the time, they estimate between 75 to 200 million people died. And I stand corrected if that figure is wrong. Yeah, I just did some research on it. That’s that’s what I found on on the on the net. It could be wrong. Anyway. A bucketload of people died from the Black Death. And they were these these The story goes there with these four guys who were going around and robbing people as they when they died or as they were dying or stealing from them, and they didn’t get sick. And when they got caught, and they got pulled up before the judge, and they basically the deal was if they gave up their recipe of why they didn’t get sick, they wouldn’t die. And there’s conflicting stories with that they actually gave up the recipe and then they hung on anyway. Yeah, or that they They, they didn’t give up. They did gave up the recipe and they were let go. But yeah, who knows? But if I if I may, yep. So these, these were, there’s three different or four different recipes here I’ve got, so there was an oil. Yeah and there was a vinegar. So these are the Herbes and I’ll just read them out. So you get an idea. cloves, rosemary, cinnamon, Eucalyptus and sage that was one of the oils. And then this one was in it’s in the museum of Paris. There’s a list of what they they use for vinegar was Wormwood Meadow sweet marjoram, sage, garlic, Kim Campanella, Angelica, rosemary, horahan, and camphor and then there was another recipe which is garlic, peppermint rose me time. Sage lavender, which is what I mentioned before. Yeah. Then another recipe sites lavender, peppermint Wormwood, sage and also Wormwood enroute. So Have all those Herbes you’ve got flea repellents, because the Black Death was carried by fleas not rats as people who shouldn’t get fleas on the rats. You’ve got antibiotics got anti microbials you got expectorants, you’ve got antiseptics. And you’ve got pain relief, like Meadow sweet is where aspirin was originally derived from. So you’ve got all of these herbs that these guys were taking. And this is a plague, you know, an actual plague that was wiping out of Europe. And these guys were safe. So hence my little story before you know just some simple things like the garlic, the sage, the rosemary, the time, you know, really simple, make them up into a broom. and away you go. And and when I when I do my classes, one of the things I do is I teach I just show people how to do very simple oils and vinegars, right? So you can you can design them any way you want. You can say okay, I wanna an oil. It’s good for Asian Cooking are an oil or vinegar that’s good for you know, Mediterranean style food or whatever it is. And then you add the appropriate herb. And I have to I have to make a little disclaimer here. My definition of a herb is any plant or part of a plant that can be used as medicine. Right? That’s not the Oxford Dictionary version of herb. The Oxford Dictionary version, herbaceous plant, that’s the thing. Yeah. So I mean, yes, you know, you can use seeds of like pawpaw seeds, you know, they’re a verb refuge, like get rid of worms and they’re also a border patient. You can use goji berries. You know, you can use Mandarin peel, you can use sandal wood. You can use kemar flowers you can use you know, rose petals. You know, there’s, there’s a plethora of stuff that you can use, you know, and that’s why I love herbal medicine or plant medicine or should say not just herbal medicine, plant medicine. Because this, there’s just this abundance like we have the biggest apothecary in the world, like on the whole planet is a is a is a pharmacy or pharmacy. It’s an apothecary, you know, and that’s the plants that we do know about. Yeah, that the whole, whole frickin, you know, immense world out there stuff that we don’t even know about yet. Yes. Yeah, that’s why I that’s why I love it. I was just like, oh my god, I get to play with this. And it’s like, learn and explore. And like I said, you know, lifetimes I could be here lifetimes lifetimes and still not a, you know, it’s still not even got half of it, or even a quarter or a 10th of it. Or even less than that, you know? So yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s fascinating to go wow. And all these things do lots of different things, you know, like the Mandarin pill. For example. It’s used in TCM China. Medicine, it increases ci. So it increases energy. But it also helps with your your digestion. You know, I go Why are you? So human? It’s like, yes, citrus particular otters that is the Latin name. But yeah, like just you know, you just have it before a meal and it just helps you your digestive process like Wow, that’s so cool. Yeah. tasting. Yeah. Just a little nibble, right? Yeah. That’s why if I’m making juices, I like Oh, if I’m putting in, like lemons or whatever, I juice the whole thing. Yes. Because the essential oils are in lemon skin. So you’re getting the benefit of the essential oils in your juice as well, you know? So yeah.

 

Bryn 

Fascinating. Yeah.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

I mean, you know, it’s it’s endless. It’s endless. Yes. And yeah, you go on

 

Bryn 

Tell me a bit about curious now about heavy metals. Okay, and our system Yeah, she thinks about flow for idea. Yeah, for sure. Well and Mercury to a degree

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

mercury I don’t know that much about Nike. I know it’s a heavy metal and it’s you know, it’s pretty deadly but the fluoride Yeah, so that was a conscious thing to touch my third iron just to remind me. So the fluoride kalsa forgot calcifies the pineal gland. Yes, your pineal gland is responsible for producing melatonin, which is what helps you sleep and the precursor to serotonin. Yes. So, if you extrapolate that out and you go Okay, so my pineal gland is getting calcified by drinking fluoridated water. So therefore, I’m not producing enough good quality melatonin, from not producing enough good quality melatonin and not sleep. Probably, if you’re not sleeping properly, then I’m sleep deprived yesterday and I’m not as functional as I could be. And also, we just recently had a sleep expert on the podcast, who talked about

 

Bryn 

the epidemic of lack of sleep. Yeah. particularly here in Australia, let alone the rest of us. Yeah, well, absolutely. And the impact of that,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

and and that so performance is is is down, you know, quality of life is down mood, mood. stability is down, you get irritable and snappy, more when you when you’re sleep deprived. And some people may not know this, but classic classic torture trick is deprived. Someone of sleep. Yeah, three or four days. Then they start going psychotic.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. You know, and then fucking mental.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, exactly. Mental. So, you know, just that and people say, oh, but you know, fluorides good for your teeth and all that. Well, no. You know, I I grew up using fluoride toothpaste. You know, like, we didn’t have fluoridated water and down when I was a young kid was just Ryan mortar but um, you know, but I’ve got so many fillings and I’ve got I’ve got five teeth missing so much for the fluoride helping my teeth because it ain’t done shit. Yeah. So you know, here we we just have rainwater which is filtered. Because people say our rainwater that’s great, it’s no it’s this shit in the sky. And then there’s dust and dirt and plane smarts and all sorts of stuff that you so I filter it before I drink it, but you know, it’s good clean water. Yeah, and there’s no chlorine in it as well. So that’s, that’s a bonus. But yeah, so this calcification of the, of the pineal gland, and all that, from the not getting the melatonin. We have a bunch of people who are not functioning at their capacity, because of all those things that we talked about about the sleep deprivation. Yeah, not having good sleep patterns and So if we’re not functioning at our best capacity then we’re not giving our best to our jobs to our spouses, our friends loved ones etc. So what’s the role on effective that you know? You know, and then we’re not giving our best to the to the all to the world at large. So yeah, then what you know,

 

 

yet what course still insists on putting it in?

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, I know because you know, that’s well, that’s what they they did in world war two and then in the concentration camps they gave to Jewish people, all people who were in the concentration camps. I think it was calcium fluoride. Now they’re giving it to and they’re all like, massage ik like zombies.

 

Bryn 

Hmm. So which is how you’d wonder today.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, exactly how you want to make dough. So you know, like this 20 you know, 5000 or 6000 You know, prisoners and 20 guards? Yeah, or 100 guards, whatever it was, I mean, they, the the prisoners far outweighed in numbers, the number of guards that they had, but they didn’t revolt. You know, they didn’t. And, you know, I’m not I don’t want to be offend anyone by saying, you know, who may or may be, you know, sensitive about that issue, but I’m just saying that the point was about the fluoride. They were docile. And so all these people that are, you know, drinking fluoridated water and then just becoming you know, sheeple and subservient to the, to the

 

Bryn 

just allowing

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

the status quo, the status quo and the mainstream narrative. It’s just like, well, Hmm,

 

Bryn 

well, some of the best, like, obviously, there’s the water supply and doing that, but how do we also clean ourselves out from fluoride and other heavy metal.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

There are a number of Herbes that that are Good heavy metal detoxes coriander is one like coriander leaf burdock naturals you know yeah I’m just trying to think of the others there’s there’s about five I’d have I’d have to get go into my notes and I’ve got a little yeah mixture that I made up which I did all the research on it so yeah sheep sorrows and other one Indian Matta is also another one and they just go through and they just chill light, the heavy metals and then pull them out pull them out of the pass out. Yeah, yeah. I mean you have to be careful if you’re doing a heavy metal detox because you know, as you’re clearing it out, you can get pretty sick and get pretty pretty sludgy from from doing that detox. Does that make sense? Like as you as you put pulling them out of your body, you know, the impact on your body as they’re coming out, can be quite full on full on you and you go through quite a bit. process of like, feeling like shit for, you know, a few days, but then afterwards afterwards like, wow, you know, well, anyone who’s had mercury fillings like I’ve gotten most of my military out, I think I’ve got one or two left, you know, because that was the that was the that was the thing that is quite, you know, that was the norm norm getting the mercury.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, it’s like, most, I think I’ve still got a handful.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, I’ve only got one or two left, but it’s just like, No, I want that. I want that shit out of my mouth, you know? Hmm. You know, look, I think if people, you know, on a daily basis, are putting some sort of Herbes into the, into the body through either juices, teas in the food, then they will get they will, they’ll be healthier. You know, and I’ll stand by that there will be healthier. They have better quality of life, better functionality. And to me, those basic ones like you mentioned earlier on, I mean, you know, we well, nettles are good Yeah, they were dandy organic lines and other one. Yeah, like proper Danny lines. Yeah, it’s really rich in minerals and, and, and vitamins. Yeah. So just chucking a few dandelion leaves in your salad, right? They’re a little bit bitter but bitter is good because it stimulates your liver and your gallbladder. You know, and we need bitters in your diet to get get the bile and the juices going, you know, and lemons was another one, you know, having lemon juice in water in the morning. That’s the whole lemon. Yeah, the whole lemon squeeze it up or juice it. And, yeah, and it cleanses your body like it helps to clean your liver out. And plus it’s alkalizing for your body. You know, and most people’s bodies are way over acidic. Yes. Because of stress because of too much acid forming foods. Coffee, alcohol, you know? So you know, you need acid, acid acid, yeah, acid, acid acid, you know, so you need to bring your body back into a more alkaline or you know, state so that you because disease doesn’t function well or live well in a in an alkaline system. Yeah. You know, cancer has too much acidity in the body, you know, cancer can’t thrive in an alkaline state. Yes. Yeah.

 

 

Simple as that.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah. It’s as simple as that, you know, and just just by doing those simple things, you know, you can improve your health and everything. There’s a big role on from that. Yeah. You know, if you have improved, well being in your body, state of mind improves,

 

Bryn 

yeah, your emotional well

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

being emotional, mental, spiritual connection to bigger stuff, all of that as

 

Bryn 

well. And I think the other thing, because, you know, I started along a little path quite a few years ago before I started the podcast where I just tinkered with a few things. And then you just start with a few things. It’s not like, you know,

 

 

Quite the big thing and we’ll try to eat the whole elephant straightaway.

 

 

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, just

 

Bryn 

just do a few things. Just start doing a few things change a couple things. And then the next thing you know, I’m feeling that bit better. So then it’s, it’s like, Okay, cool. They’re in there part of what I do. Yeah. get curious, what else can I do? What else can I do? I was gonna do I asked you to and then becomes this spiral upwards, as opposed to

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

downwards. Yeah, exactly. One thing I like to just sort of stress is it’s really important for people to do the research and do their due diligence if they’re going to start taking Herbes. Yes. So that they make sure that there’s no no contraindications from taking those Herbes with anything that they may be taking, like medications or physical conditions, etc, etc. You know,

 

Bryn 

and if someone wanted to do that, go and do that. their own research, where did they go?

 

 

Because like,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

the washer, so yeah, there’s so much stuff like there’s a really good website called plants for a future. Right database. Yeah. PFA f.org and they’ve got 7000 Herbes listed on that website. great resource. Yeah. referenced. So they’ve gone and looked at, you know, done the studies, etc. So they’ll have this herb is good for, you know, digestive issues or whatever. Reference Number, boom, yeah, this this herb is also good for, you know, lowering blood sugar reference. Yeah. accountability. And yeah, there’s accountability. And that’s it’s really important because a lot of websites will just plagiarise, another website and put up this is good for this, this and this. Yeah. Yeah. And I’ve, I’ve read someone among gone. Hang on a minute. That’s not quite this. someone’s having a lend here because this isn’t quite right, you know, and I go, whoo. That’s dangerous because someone who doesn’t know is going to go on there and go, Oh, so on this website, they said this is good for this. And this is like, ma’am, maybe better just check that out. Yeah. Because you need to have the the also the disclaimer and say yes is good for this, but don’t take if you’re taking x y Zed or if you’ve got this condition, this condition or this condition, you know, because I mean, I’ll give you I’ll give you a little example. Many years ago, it was discovered that like Penny Roy was an aborted patient, which which it is very strong motivation. So there was a couple of girls in america i think that thought, Okay, great, you know, Penny royal, good for getting rid of unwanted babies. So they got to essential oil, and they took it,

 

 

spilled it

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

on and if they scold it, but they took they took it internally, they haemorrhaged and died. Because yes, it is an abortive But they, they just they use your own lightning, just haemorrhage and they just bled to death. You know? Not a good look. I also had a student and this is a little anecdote I had a student who was doing hurt. This is when I just first started doing her classes. And again, a little disclaimer, I didn’t start teaching till I’d been in doing clinical work and, you know, working with her for I think it was 15 years. Yeah, before I thought yeah, I think I know a little bit enough to be able to pass on some knowledge. Yeah. So anyway, this this student had gone to stay with some friends down south in Margaret River. And she came back to class and went, you’re not gonna believe this and what happened? And she said, I was staying with my friends. They were drying some Penny oil in the kitchen. And I started my period five days early. Just from being in the house and she was breathing in breathing in and breathing it in. And while I’m Jessica would present energetically present and boomba and she, what the hell I went, holy crap. That’s why and she said, Oh, that makes perfect sense. Just from doing that. So, you know, yes, Herbes are amazing. I will, you know, like, I’m a plant person till the day I die. Similarly, be careful, but be careful. Yes. Because they can, they can make you happy. They can heal you and they can kill you. And they can fuck you up. Yes. You know, there’s certain plants that you know you just don’t want to go or you would you approach with big respect. Because they will kick your ass or kill you. And you know, we don’t we don’t want that because you know, that’s just not not kosher. It’s not good. It’s not a good look on the resume. Yes.

 

 

Yeah. And de m how

 

Bryn 

How does as you and the wider sort of homeless community guide with the whole business of believability regulation, stuff like that? Or do you find that more and more now people are going into their own knowing and thinking, no, I need to come and see him about this.

 

 

I think I think more people are

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

seeing that that natural naturopath, the natural medicine, herbal medicines is gaining more street cred. And I think people to people want results. You know, there are there are some people who no matter what you do to them, they’re never going to be happy. And they what I call hoppers, so they’ll come and see me or come and see, you know, Joe Bloggs, they’ll go and see the next person, the next person the next person and but they won’t give it a chance to work because with herbal medicine, sometimes the the effects are instantaneous. Sometimes it’s Next time, yeah, when I, when I did my training, one of the things that we were taught was that for every year the person has had a disease or an ailment, it’s one month to fix. So that’s the general overall writing thing. But I think, yeah, I think people are getting disenchanted with not getting results and they, they, they want to get better. Because, you know, like, we discussed earlier, feeling feeling unwell, even marginally unwell. It’s, it’s not good. And when you make those small changes go, Wow, I feel good. You know, it’s like, hell, why did I do this before? You know, because I’ve been, you know, operating on this level when I could have been at this level. Yeah. And then that becomes that level becomes the norm. And then you do a few more tweaks and you go up here and you go, holy crap. I’m feeling really good. You know, it’s like that. Yeah, that was nothing and then you’re then you’re here. And then just maintaining that level, you know, have really good health really good well being and everything improves everything blossoms from that, you know, everything all of you have relationships, your work, etc, etc.

 

Bryn 

And that’s the thing,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

just all Jetta Yeah. You know, and I guess I guess for me it’s without being too evangelistic and on the crusade because I used to be really militant before. Yeah. And I’m a lot calmer these days. You know, it’s our birthright to be healthy and to be whole, it’s our birthright to live a good life, you know, of well being and functionality, you know, at optimum levels. So if Herbes are going to do that then great, you know, get into them, but as you know, we discussed earlier you know, like If you’ve been in a motor vehicle accident, you go to the hospital, you go to the guy who knows how to get you up, you know, and how to deal with trauma. And can you know, set your leg and and suture your, your gashes and, you know, make sure that you don’t die of septicemia. Yeah. And then once you’ve done that, if then you choose to go and say, Okay, so, thanks, you’ve done a great job. You’ve you’ve you’ve, you’ve set me up, you’ve, you’ve fixed all my bug broken bits. Now I’m going to go do some herbal care and aftercare and you know, just do the rest with some some natural medicine. I think that’s to me is an integrated system. Yes. Which should be followed like in China, for example. years ago, there were friends who were at college, and they were doing acupuncture. So they went to China to do some in house, you know, experiential stuff. And they said, you could go to a hospital in China. I don’t know what it’s like now but then you could go to the hospital in China and you could make a choice. Whether you wanted to Acupuncture, you wanted allopathic Western medicine? They had both. Yeah. No judgments. There’s like you want this or you want this, you want both. We’ll give you both. Yeah. And everyone was cool with that. Whereas here, it’s like, Whoa, that hippie shit. You know, it’s like we’re and then you get the people who go really extreme and go, Oh, you know, pharmaceuticals in life? Yeah, look, they have side effects. You know, I don’t agree with a lot of them. But if it’s gonna save your life, do it, do it, you know. And then, you know, like you said, we discussed with the mercury, you know, do the the chelation, do the heavy metal detox clear, that’s shut out of your system. It’s, it’s really easy. You know, I mean, I’ve had that experience where, you know, like, having to go to hospital and nearly dying. And, you know, being saved by a really brilliant surgeon. Yeah. You know, I won’t go into details because it’s not necessary, but you know, if it wasn’t for him and his his, you know, skill I wouldn’t be sitting here talking to you. And if it wasn’t for the antibiotics that they pumped into me, I wouldn’t be sitting here talking to you. I just I just, you know, and this is me, you know, full, bland, you know, militant herbalist and I just went, yep, I’m good stick that frickin drip, do it, stick the drip in my arm, give me the antibiotics. But as soon as I got out of the hospital, the first thing I did when I got home, I made up a big bottle of brew, to detox and cleanse my system and then another bottle to recharge me and revitalise me. So, both have their place. You know, I’ve got friends who have nurses. Yeah, I don’t give a shit about it. That’s the I’ve chosen to do that work. And they’re saving lives, you know? So it’s like, hats off. You know, they refer people to me, it’s great. And, you know, this is I think it’s important that we we come to this balance and say Yes, you know,

 

Bryn 

yeah, it’s not one at the expense of the other. Yeah.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

You know, the pharmaceuticals I don’t agree with, you know, I think that a lot of them are poisons and really, you know, when you look at the list of side effects you go, Fuck Yeah, fuck it’s right. But surgery, absolutely. You know, if there’s there’s a surgery that’s going to save someone’s life, go for it. I mean, some of the surgeries that are that are done, I think are unnecessary, like hysterectomy and other things like that. But again, that’s just my opinion. You know, I’m not saying anything, I don’t want any lawsuits or whatever yet. I’m just saying that, you know, I think some of them could be avoided. But, you know, like, someone’s been in the motor vehicle accident, you know, or sporting accident or whatever it’s like, if that’s going to save their life and give them quality of life, to go for it. You know. There’s, you know, cases where people have I’ve known personally I’ve had that lucky I had a good friend who had a motorbike accident because someone did something stupid in a car. And he had to go to hospital, you know, he had to have a catheter in, because he’s, you know, things were busted up. But if it wasn’t for that, he wouldn’t wouldn’t be still around, you know. Yeah. And, and, you know, there’s several other cases I could I could give that up in similar situations. And it’s like, yeah, that’s, that’s great. But, you know, as far as general health general well being, if people would just follow some very simple protocols and some very simple things. They wouldn’t get sick. They wouldn’t get flus when flu seasons on they wouldn’t. There’s a whole bunch of stuff that they wouldn’t be getting, you know, yeah. You know, like garlic. Garlic is a really good example. I mean, it’s antibiotic. It’s antiviral. It’s hypoglycemic. It’s hypotensive. I don’t know she understand all those terms. Most of Yeah, you know. It tastes good. Yeah. You know what’s homeless without golly Come on. Come on. Exactly. You can’t have homeless without colleagues. But you know, so just stick to Friday. Yeah, exactly. So you you got something that tastes good makes it makes food tastes good. And it’s good healthy for you. Yeah. Chuck live going down, do you know your blood pressure is going to be good cholesterol even if you just yeah, your cholesterol is gonna be good, your blood sugars are gonna be good. And you’re not going to get get any viruses. So we’re good. real good. Yeah, so that’s just one, you know, and then like, time, time is a really good example. Um, years ago, I had a, I had a student at one of the private colleges I was teaching it, who did her due to a dissertation on microbes and Herbes and the efficacy of these herbs. So she worked in a path lab and pathology So she had access to all sorts of, you know, funky little bugs. So she said, Oh, look, I need to get these particular, you know, Herbes from you to do this. This dissertation. She did it and she gave me a copy of it which I’ve unfortunately lost somewhere along the way. So she had you know, Esther gas pal Darko akinesia. All the top guns you know all the big hitters Yeah. And time. Time clean the slight right just knocked everything every pathogen she threw at it knocked him out of the ballpark, huh? Wow, who knew? Who know? Yeah. Simple. Thomas vulgar is common garden time and it’s like kicking us, you know? And it’s an expectorant you know, it’s an antibacterial, antimicrobial. It’s like, it’s there’s a whole bunch of other stuff it does. But you know, staph strip, I forget what other bugs should go throughout it. All these different bugs in this thing, just nuke them. You know, so I was just like, well, it doesn’t taste great. But hey, you know, it’s gonna stop you from getting a cold or a flu. Suck that stuff, put a bit of honey in it.

 

Bryn 

And this is the stuff we need to be hearing right now, isn’t it?

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah. Well, you know. Yeah. I mean, you know, like, like we were discussing earlier, you know, about washing hands and sanitising and, you know, doing all this stuff, it’s like, yeah, and then you’re washing on your natural immunity of your, you know, we’re exposed to pathogens and bacteria and microbes all the time. All the time. I forget what the number was, it was something like, the number of bugs on our bodies far outweighs the cells in our our bodies is like, holy crap. Yeah. So, you know, just shaking hands. It’s like, yeah, we just got 1000 bugs, you know, it’s like, but that’s what keeps us you know, healthy, that’s what boosts your immune system and like, you know, they talked all these guys, all these medical experts out there that are You know, like Dr. Bashir and Dr. Cheever. And these guys in America, they’re all talking about herd immunity. That’s what it is. That’s what’s necessary. You know, like, when we were kids if one of us got measles or chicken pox is like, you’re all in the room. Get it get the chickenpox, you know, get the measles. Get it. Yeah. And then we’re done. Everyone’s immune to it then you know. So in this current climate that we’re in with with this whole story that’s going on and we won’t get into the all the conspiracies and theories and that about it because again, we could Five days later, yeah, come at the rabbit hole. These simple things I put a post on Facebook about four weeks ago and I put a I sent a post out to all my email contacts saying, These are the things if you just have these you’ll be fine. And that was the garlic besides the lamp, the time the rosemary the the, our basil was another one lemons and by leaves, you know, I just said Do you just include them in your diet? include have them as tea, have them in soup, have them in your cooking. You know, just put them in juice, just pump them into, you find in and again, Don’t believe me? Do the research, look this stuff up and see what’s in them see what, what they do and what the chemistry is, you know, and then make up your own mind. You know, I got years ago, a few years ago, I got I did some research because I think, hang on a minute, it’s all these geometries here. They must do something. Yeah. So, so I, I looked online, couldn’t find anything, looked everywhere, couldn’t find anything. So I wrote to a few different aroma therapy places and I think was the aroma therapy association of Australia. They got back to me said Oh, look, we got this paper that was published in 1942 or something and they did this or 19 there was around there. 40 to 40 Three, and I did this study on the essential oils out of Jarrah, Eucalyptus, naginata. And I looked at Holy shit. And I looked at the chemistry of what was in it. And so I looked at all the I did, I went down a little rabbit hole with that when I looked at all the individual chemicals. Yeah, and I went, Oh my God, that’s antiviral. Oh, that one’s for cancer. Oh, that one stimulates brain activity. That one gets rid of aspirin, this one and it’s like, oh my god. in my backyard. I’ve got this little medicine plant growing everywhere. abundant. Yeah, abundantly. So guess what, you know, I What did I do? When the heck you know harvests and Jeremy’s made a tincture of it. So if anyone’s got Gerald trees growing, Bruce and Gerald leaves up because that will kill viruses, and it’s an expectorant What do we got? We got flu what it what a flu is? What’s the flu? It’s a virus and where does it attack? It attacks your lungs. So, you know,

 

 

hearing Wi Fi here in depth right here and Wi

 

Bryn 

Fi in your garden? Yeah. Even in your local park.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah. You know, I mean, herbal medicine is fundamentally simple. When you get down to it, you know? It’s, it’s just, you know, you can make a tea or you can make it an oil or vinegar, and then you just ingest it. Yeah, obviously, as simple as those three. Yeah, as I said, you know, you do do your due diligence, you do your research, you make sure that you’re not taking something that’s going to be contraindicated with any medications or health conditions that you have. But it’s that simple. You know, and another another thing that I encourage my students to do is to look at cultures around the world. Okay, so let’s, let’s take the Asian culture What do they have? They have lots of chilli. They have lots of garlic, you know, lots of coriander you know what diseases don’t they get? Yes. Then we go to India and I don’t know if you’ve ever been to India yet you have it’s dusty, it’s dirty. You want it you want bugs go to India? Yeah because there’s 50,000 whatever’s you know little critters run around over there that you could get anything typhoid, hepatitis, malaria you know keep going down the list. Look at the Indians. What don’t they get? You know, and what do they have in their in their food, they have ginger, they have chilli, they have garlic, they have turmeric. They have coriander, Kerman, you know, acid, potato, all these different things that they put into their food. Yes, but it’s all medicinal. You know and then you look at Aveda and all these different concoctions you know like sandalwood, for example. is an amazing plant. Hmm. You know,

 

Bryn 

with a little has gone with what

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

we’ve bought it does, you know, like one of the things that sandwich does is it, it takes heat out of the out of the head. So it’s good for headaches. But it’s also really good for meditation because it quiets the mind. Right? Is the chemistry of San Juan and it’s just like, there’s like Zen. It’s the Zen mind. Take a little bit of sand would like fun having trouble sleeping because my mind is just running down. Yeah, I just have a little bottle of sand would Bama dead. might just take that and take a drop of four which is one mil and all sudden nothing. And then I’m off this like Zen master gets rid of really good for syphilitic conditions like like STDs, cleanse the urinary system. You know, there’s all these, all these things, simple things out there, but But, you know, like, yeah, so getting back to that, that premise, if you look at all these different cultures around the world, and the diseases that they don’t get or are not common, then you look at their diets and go, what are they using? What are the plants and herbs that they’re using in their diets? for them not to get these diseases and you go, huh, and there’s a really common thread in lots of cultures. Garlic runs through so many of them Asian, Mediterranean, Indian, which I guess is classified as Asian, you know, European. Look at the French cream, cheese wine. You know, they’re all skinny. They don’t get hot, get problems and I get cholesterol. You know, it’s like, you know, chocolate Eclair, which has got so much cream and chocolate and sugar. You know, you think these guys would be dying, you know, cholesterol, diabetes and heart attacks. They’re not Hmm, lots of garlic and good, good quality red wine with antioxidants and you know, so yeah, I mean, you know, it’s it’s pretty simple. It’s pretty simple. It’s pretty simple. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. What have you learned about yourself in this whole journey?

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Well, I’ve learned a lot because talking about the energetic qualities of the Herbes. One of again, I keep going back to my my teaching and my students. One of the things which I get them to do, which is not not it’s not mine, it’s a semantic practice is to diet, what they call do a diet deatta or a diet with a herb, right, which is where you get a specific herb that you basically have to meditate and tune in to the herb right. And then you work with that herb for the duration of the course which is 10 weeks. So every day you take this herb in some form. If you can ingest it. Or if it’s if it’s a toxic herb then you you make a very homoeopathic preparation and have a few drops of that. And so you, you, you ingest it every day you you carry it with you and you you have it, you know, on your on you the whole time becomes your body, it becomes your body and then you you create a relationship with this herb. And at the end of the course everyone has they have to keep a diary. And at the end of the course they have to go through what their experience was with this plant. And man some of the stories, you know, I’ve sat here listening to students and you know, you’ve got people in tears, you know about what’s actually come through and what’s changed in their lives. And again, some people say oh, yeah, that’s all hippie dippie bullshit, and it’s all cosmic airy fairy stuff. Maybe but you know, it’s like, if I give you a chilli and you eat it and it burns your mouth out, you can you can definitively say chilies are hot. Yeah. You know, so I can’t dis this that person’s experience if that’s what they experienced. That’s their experience you know? And so I guess for me when you asked me what’s what have I learned about myself? I’ve learned that I don’t know much. I’ve learned that plants are amazing. And and I love working with plants I’ve learned that I have a long You know, a lot to still learn in terms of myself and the uncovering and peeling back of the ancient onion. Yes, you know about the infinite onion I can only imagine Yeah, well the infinite onion of self you know, the layers upon layers upon layers of, of self that we put the masks and conditioning and trauma, etc, that we can then present to the world as asked and initially, you peel off a layer, it’s like well wait, there’s more. And then you peel off another laughter there and wait There’s more than you think, you know, you have a meltdown. It’s like, oh, there’s another layer. So that’s what I’ve learned. I’ve because I gave you that. And that example of the darkening of the Herbes, because yeah, I take herbs all the time. So, you know, I walk my talk. I might, you know, I’m doing maintenance with Herbes all the time. And certain things, I think, Oh, yeah, I really should work on my, you know, lungs now or should work on my liver. You know, like I used to get really bad high fever, I don’t anymore because I worked on on my liver and clean to clean my liver out and right, strengthen that so. But by taking the hurt that they are having an effect all the time energetically on me. So I I’m constantly changing and evolving and learning stuff about myself. Some of it not pretty, you know, and some of it’s really confronting in my face because, you know, I have to be honest with my often go wow, holy shit. So, you know, maybe I need to work on that or look at that aspect of self. But I’ve also learned that I have a gift that I can offer. Yeah, I have, I have a service that I can offer. And if I help one person I’ve done a good job. Yeah, I just helped one person feel better. I’ve done a good job. And I’ve also learnt a lot of humility. Because nature for me is so powerful. So overwhelmingly infinite possibilities in nature. Hmm. Because I mean, you know, when you first start, you know, you’re all brash and you know, full of piss and wind and you’re like, I’m the man. And then you go, Well, I’m still a man, but you know, a little more humble, and then eventually you go, yeah, I’m not I’m not really But I’m just this, you know, I’m just a very small, very, you know, small piece in the puzzle. You know, I think Terence McKenna said you know, your patience eyebrow. Yeah. And we, you know, because you I mean, if you extrapolate where we are in the whole scheme of things we didn’t even write in on we don’t even a speck of dust on the windscreen of fleece, you know, car. Yeah, you know, that’s how insignificant we are. So I’ve, I’ve learned a lot about myself. And, um, I think I’ve learned a lot about experiencing joy as well. Like when I discover a new her a new plant that has an amazing plethora of possibility. I’m like, Wow, this is so cool. This is cool. This is so cool. Because you know, it’s like, well, this is something else. can be offered. Hmm. And this opens up other a whole bunch of possibility who should do this? Yeah, and all the cool shit that I can combine with this to make this, you know? And you know, being an herbalist is like being a kid in a candy store because you know, I get to play Yeah, all the candy stores. No, sir it’s just, yeah, unbelievable. And I get to play and obviously play when I said play, you know, with awareness and yes ability, but I go we talked about exploration. Yeah, exploration. Yeah, I get to explore possibility I get to look at, you know, being able to offer you know, these these different gifts from nature to someone else. And one example I give to people is, say I have 10 people that come in with the same condition. I can give those 10 people 10 different possibilities 10 different mixtures because each person is different. They all have different psychology, they have different dietary regimes that they follow. They have different physiological things that are going on with them, you know, other conditions that may be mitigating factors. And it’s like, wow, you know, so I can go instead of just saying, Well, here’s, here’s one thing for all tests, one tablet for all 10 I can go here’s your mix. Here’s your mix. Here’s your mix, is your mix is your mix. And sure, they may have some crossovers of Yes, similar Herbes, but basically, you’ve got 10 different things that you can give us like, so that the range of results that are coming back again and be it’s much broader, so you’re getting a much broader spectrum of, of not expectation, but a possibility. You know, and she I mean, it’s some they may not work, some, you know, may have great results and may have mediocre results, but at least it’s just not one size fits all, you know, because you can’t Yeah, it’s not possible. I’m different to you. Yes, we’re both men. That’s where the similarity ends, you know? Yes. That’s it. gender, gender is all we got in common, you know? Yeah. Other than that, psychology, you know,

 

 

energetically energetically

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

DNI background, all that’s different, you know, so, being able to go, Hey, I can just go into my little clinic there and I can mix up a whole bunch of different things for you, which is going to serve you and even if I had one of your siblings here,

 

 

Yeah, that’d be different. It’s gonna be different.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

You know, and it’s it that you know, that is such a joy in such a such a gift and the bounty of that is just wow. Yeah, it’s enormous. And you know, a highly recommend for everyone to just whatever you you know, whatever your belief systems or whatever you Yeah, just to just just try it and see. And if you think it’s a bunch of shit, fine

 

Bryn 

you know suppose even basically it’s just open up some belief in nature. Yeah, cuz it’s all around.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah. And you know, like nature’s nature is amazing and bountiful, but it doesn’t give a rat’s ass about us as a species. You know if we were gone tomorrow, like I don’t know if you’ve ever watched George Carlin huh? Have you watched some of his of his stuff off? Yeah, I mean, you know, he says, You think nature gives a fuck about humans? Yeah, she will just go Yep. Please gotten rid of them. You know, like everything would continue like if the human race civilization exists clearing in nature. Yeah, yeah, exactly. cease to exist tomorrow on this planet. Nature. We just go. Thank factories. Monkeys are gone. Okay, yeah, get on with it. You know, yeah. look at look at what’s happening at the moment in nature. I mean, you know, yes, we’re you know, everyone’s in lockdown and we’re in fear and all this bullshit. But nature is going ah taking waterways clearing up, you know, skies are clearing up animals coming out to places where they weren’t before. You know fishies like the oceans because because they aren’t fishing as much now, because there’s no way to sell stuff because markets are closed, restaurants are closed, etc. All of these species in the ocean are going to have a like a little moratorium for a moment to go. Fuck we can breathe, we can actually breathe and start to re populate. And we’re not on the edge of extinction. So on one level, going back to the whole COVID story, and all sides of story. We we can go Yeah, it’s fucked up. And you know, all these restricts In that, but on the other side, there’s all these other other good things that are happening. And and you know, like the panic buying of plants and seeds. And sure, you know some of those people are going to fail. Yeah, with planting and growing stuff because it’s not easy, you know, to grow grow food, some things yeah, they’re easy they’re like weeds you chuck them in the ground they grow. But some other things you got to maintain them you got to keep the bugs off on the cabbage monster caterpillars that reading your lettuce, the rabbits out here, you know the kangaroos have all these things, you know? And then there’s all these bugs and diseases and stuff like that, but it’s, it’s it’s like nature’s going Yep. And I have one theory and this is completely out there. That nature is actually behind this whole thing. Mm hmm. That night he went You know what, fuck this shit. Yeah, I’ve had enough of this. I’m getting sick. On on, you know, all my waterways are being closed. All these other species on the planet are getting decimated, let you go as far as you can. So, I’m going to just whisper in someone’s ear and they’re going to create this this super bug and then everything’s going to shut down. And then I can do a reset and get back to normal. You know, and people watching this and listening scam. This guy’s fuckin off. He’s not this is a complete crock of shit. I don’t mind but it’s just a theory and a thought. And it may be not entertaining for a minute. Yeah, you know, may not be nice, but you know, something happened to trigger this and and again, we can go into all the conspiracies that you know, they’re trying to do this and this and this and this and, you know, cashless society and microchips and all this and that may be the case. But out of this, you know, nature’s had a little bit of a breather, and things have and and there are lots of people that I’m speaking to who are saying, you know what, I’m really loving working from home. Yeah, I’m loving the fact that I can spend time with my my beloved or my children. I’m loving the fact that I can actually spend time going into the garden and planting veggies and doing doing my garden. This is great. I don’t want to go back to sitting in an office having to drive an hour and a half. I had a conversation yesterday with someone, they said that I don’t have to drive an hour and a half to work every day. And then an hour and a half back. So three hours of my day, it’s gone. I’m putting that three hours a day into being productive.

 

Bryn 

To me, to my family and to the most important

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah. And you know, I spent the weekend out and out in the garden, when normally the weekend is spent, you know, just trying to catch up on my life because I’ve been at work all day. You know, so, yeah,

 

Bryn 

um, last question I asked all my guests. Yes, you could take a little nugget of information and upload it into the collective consciousness. Everyone just gets it.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah. What would it be? Tough crowd. Tough question. Mmm hmm. That’s off to ponder that for a sec.

 

 

Well, the nugget

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Mother Nature is awesome.

 

 

Plants are going to save the world. Mm hmm.

 

 

And

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

we need to we need to go back to simplistic lifestyle. We need to go back to being in concert with nature. And I’ll segue just into a little thing. Yet the tribal people of this of this country who had been here for their varying series on how many, how many millennials, they were hitting One story I heard was that they found campfire, like evidence of campfires in the barrier reef so that the water wasn’t had was further out and has come further and they found campfires and ashes and which dated to 120,000 years. So, whatever 60,000 80,040 you know, at least 60,000 we know, if not more, they were living in concert with nature. They knew where to find food, where to find water, what plants were good for, what what plants were good for medicine, what plants were good fish HumanIK practice what plants were good for, you know, food. And I’m not saying we have to give everything up. But I think we need to take a step back from the technological obsession that we have. And this this whole story that we’re in at the moment has given people a lot of chance to reflect on that and to go into that and say, Hey, you know If we come back to a much more simple lifestyle, a much more collective and community based lifestyle as well, like I can, I can grow really good. You know, basil and tomatoes and, you know, lettuce. You can grow really good, you know, beetroot and carrots and potatoes. Let’s swap. Yes. You know, I I say do away with competitive bitterness, competitiveness and and do away with selfishness go back to a much I’m not saying we should all you know do the hippie love child community thing like commune thing but community yes I think it’s really important that we are, you know, looking at community you know as as a whole, you know, as one we survive you know united we stand divided before and so you know if we could go back to that and so okay So we can all share here instead of, you know, fighting over toilet paper.

 

 

What the fuck? Yeah,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

what the fuck? You know, let’s say hey, I’ve got I’ve got chickens and they’re laying eggs like, like a bitch. Do you want some eggs? It’s like sure. Come on in. Yeah, come on down. And, and and also I well yeah I’d love some expert I’ve got some really nice honey because my girls have been working really hard this year. And there’s been lots of flowers and I’m producing really good organic honey, would you like to do a swap?

 

 

Yeah.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

So that’s my nugget. It’s like, you know, get get back in tune with with nature. Go back towards a much more community oriented, you know, way of being plants some Herbes plants and food even if you’ve got you know, I had some friends who had an apartment in in West Perth. They are Coming up here, and I just said, you know, they got inspired because of what what was happening here. They put little raised garden beds on their balcony in the West Perth apartment. They had lettuce, they had radicchio. They had coriander they had indoors, they had all this stuff and they were going out and going Jump, jump jump there. Bang, bang, making food we, like went over there for dinner one night. Half of it was from their little balcony garden. Awesome. Yeah. You know, there are people who are doing window gardens all across the world, because I live in apartments and they weren’t while I want some fresh food. So for me, like there’s no excuse. If someone says, oh, but only live in you know, on 250 square metres. Yeah, you can still put a little garden in there. Even if it’s only three things, at least you got three things, fresh things that are organically gone that you can put into the system. machine that you get around you. Hmm. You know, and the healthier This is, as we discussed earlier, the happier and more vibrant you are. Yep. The more you’re giving to the community at large, your best. You’re giving your best self to the community at large. Everyone benefits because the roll on effect is you’re happy. Your partner is happy. That joy spills out into the community, and other people are happier. You’re healthier. They people see you and go wow, I’m Brendan and you’re looking really what are you doing? You say? Well, I gave up alcohol and I gave up coffee. Really? It’s like Yeah, man, and I feel fucking great. And I changed my diet and I’m eating much more you know, fresh veggies and fruit. Wow, man, you look really good. And your your energy is Yeah, pumping. You know, and they’re gonna go shit on some brain. I want some of that. Yeah, because everyone wants to feel good. Everyone wants to feel happy, healthy. You We basically want several things. We want to be loved. We want to be happy, and we want to be secure. Yeah, whatever that means to people. You know. There was there’s there was a TV programme called humans. And we watched that. And there was one section in there that we were watching. And this woman was saying, every day, I go, I go, this is a woman in India every day I go out, and we we hunt for rice grains out of rat nests. And at the end of the day, we have a handful of rights. We have enough rice to make a meal. And I give thanks to God. And I just cried. I went, Wow. This woman is giving thanks to God for a handful of rice that she had to get scab out of rat holes to feed a family and people have been complaining about the lies you know, and that was the that was my other little nugget is gratitude. You know, being gratitude because every moment that you are alive and you’re breathing be grateful for it because you know, you could be gone in a second You know? And whenever I hear anyone bitching and moaning about stuff I said, Have you been to India? Have you walked through the streets of Delhi? Have you been walking through the slums in Mumbai at four in the morning and walked over a dead body Don’t Don’t be bitching and complaining to me that your life sucks because you know does and here’s another one. I saw one of my really good friends yesterday and he said you know what? They can see the Himalayas from Delhi. I won’t know why. Well, because all of the everything is shut down all the city smog is gone. or reduced so much. You can actually see the the snow peaks The Himalayas from Delhi. How cool is that?

 

 

Next level, isn’t it? Yeah. So yeah, I’m here

 

Bryn 

to procreate spend an absolute privilege to sit and listen to.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Thanks, man. Appreciate it.

 

Bryn 

If somebody wants to come and find you, yeah, where can they find you? They want to reach out.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah, the herbalist.com.au It’s as simple as that. Yeah, that’s your website. That’s my website contact page on they’re more than happy for people to send me questions. And yeah, I respond on the day. Like it always on the day, I will respond to someone’s email and yeah, they can just ask whatever questions if they want any tips on you know, what parts or hooks that you know, to grow or to have in their, in their kids. That was another point. wanted to say one last thing?

 

 

Yeah. Um, first up

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

another thing that I just I I do with my classes and I just say to people look, go home and just write a list of all the herbs and spices and using my definition of a herb that you have in your in your pantry, and then come back and just have you know, we’ll just quickly go over that and then come back and I gotta go Yeah, so that’s good for that. That’s good for that. That’s good for that. So back in the day, when when we were being persecuted as witches, yeah, for being healers and herbalists, which a lot of that happened and the paranoia w neighbouring which is going on now.

 

 

Yep. Social shaming,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

social shaming and we w neighbouring because always my pig died. So everything had to go underground. And where did it go?

 

 

The kitchen.

 

 

went to the kitchen there.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Wow. So all Have these these plants that were being used for healing and curing you know, whatever it was warts and syphilis and you know the pox and anything and so instead of you know, being out there and going on come to Mrs. You know Granny Smith and she’ll fix you up a potion. They went well if I do that, all the neighbours again Davina next thing I’m gonna be drowned or burned at the stake or tortured and drowned and burned at the stake. So slip them into the kitchen slip into the food into the food.

 

 

Love it.

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

Yeah. And so you know, I just say to people look, you know, if your family think, thank you, you’re another just be sneaky herbalist,

 

Bryn 

sneaky herbalist,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

you know just make up a little brew and you know Chuck a few things into the chocolate it’ll pop it into the bait Teddy’s or whatever. And, wow, Mom, these ladies tastes great. It’s like mock mock mock videos. Yeah. You know, so yeah. So that’s that That’s my, that’s my exit strategy right there. Let’s stick it into the food. Like I said,

 

Bryn 

thanks so much for your time. I feel like I’ve just downloaded an encyclopaedia, but now begin to appreciate just how very little we actually know. Ah,

 

Dipaunka Macrides 

man. Yeah, like I say if he could, if he could plug a USB port like USB into my head and download what I know. It’d be gigabytes, gigabytes of knowledge. And that’s like I said, it’s not even scratching the surface.

 

Bryn 

Excellent. Thank you so much for your time.

Dipaunka Macrides 

Welcome, bro.

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