#156 Change can happen in a moment – A conscious conversation with Davey Rowe 

Take a very real journey through the life of one man, Davey Rowe, and deep inner stories that drove him from very humble beginnings in the north east of England, to building one of WA’s premier Air Conditioning Company’s Vortech, to seeing the company fold but then reemerging from the ashes to build the EQ Wellness Centre in Wangara.

This is a truly fascinating story on so many levels that packed full of life’s golden nuggets – going out into the world as a young man, building a multi-million-dollar business, the highs and lows of life’s journey and opening up to yourself and unleashing the beauty and power within.

Again, the extra depth of this conversation is Davey’s recognition of the deep stories at a belief level that he took on board as a child that drove him to all his successes but then passed its ‘use by date’ and became the major factor in his undoing.

Davey is a very open, honest and lovable man who has done ‘the work’ within, which makes this such and an approachable and powerful conversation.

For the listener, in addition to being drawn into Davey’s journey you will be challenged to consider the stories that lie deep within yourself.

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Bryn 

Take a very real journey through the life of one man Davey Rowe, and the inner deep stories that drove him from very humble beginnings in the northeast of England to build in one of WAs premier air conditioning companies Vortech and then to see in that company fold them reemerging from the ashes to build the EQ Wellness Centre in Wangara.

 

This is a truly fascinating story on so many levels. That’s packed full of golden life nuggets from going out into the world as a young man building a multimillion dollar company, the highs and lows of life’s journey and opening up to yourself and unleashing the beauty and power within.

 

Again, the extra depth of this conversation is Davey’s recognition of the deep stories at the belief level that he took on board as a child that drove him to haul his successes, but then passed it to us by date, and then became the major factor in his undoing.

 

Davey is a very open, honest and lovable man who has done the work within, which makes this such an approachable and powerful conversation for the listener. In addition to being drawn into Davey’s journey, you’ll be challenged to consider the stories that lie deep within yourself. So enjoy, Davey.

 

Bryn 

Hello and welcome back to WA Real. I’m your host, Bryn Edwards. WA Real captures people’s truth and stories. Why is that? So you yourself can explore your own truth and your story to live a more conscious life.

 

Today I have the great pleasure of having Davey Rowe on the show. Davey, welcome to who

 

Davey Rowe 

Yeah, cheers, Great. pleasure. Thank you.

 

Bryn

I say welcome to the WA Real although we’re sitting here in your wonderful EQ Centre. And these wonderful Chesterfield chairs.

 

Davey Rowe 

The first first outing for the chairs.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, yeah. And we’re going to get into the history of the EQ centre and a new moving into a life purpose coach, but one of the first questions I thought I’d ask you Is with everything that’s been going on. What’s been on your mind the most recently?

 

Davey Rowe 

I guess planning plan in the next 2030 years.

 

Bryn 

That’s a good luck in long term legacy by

 

Davey Rowe 

planning the next stage of my life. I yeah, that’s. That’s exactly what it is.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. And you’re about

 

Davey Rowe 

  1. Yeah, I plan in the next 30 years. I’m not going to die. I’m 93 apparently

 

Bryn 

good. It’s nice to have the

 

Davey Rowe 

intel on. It’s funny. I had this. I had this dream A few weeks ago, a few months ago. And we went out with a few friends of ours it should we just do one about birthdays and whatever and this and getting old and Aussies I’m not dying. I’m 93. They will put you on a boat. I suppose I had this dream last night. It’s just couple of is now And it was like, a sweetener. It was just literally, industry, whatever happened happened. And it was like, Yeah, you’re not dying, Delia 93. And I thought, that’s kind of like, you have a little bit too. Cool. Good.

 

Bryn 

Good. So now based on that you’re actually planning the next

 

Davey Rowe 

well, not just based on that, but yeah, I thought that we planned, it was in the plan, the next the next 25-30 years, I think, to serve to serve others, to give back and to serve others, you know, I think it’s a as I was, as I was one served, you know, like, as I was helped and what I’ve been guided, you know, is to really is to try and serve as as many people as I can and guide as many people as I can, you know, on.

 

Bryn 

Do you think that is? It’s interesting you say to serve, I recently came across this idea of like this, these three steps of how the soul develops During life, the first one is like around, it peaks out with a dependency on your parents. And then that wanes and you start becoming less and less and less dependent upon your parents. And then as you come out the trough of that then the next thing is almost like the peak of the individual power. Where you if you define yourself as this, not that and that not this, and then you always get to the apex of the individual power when it’s early 40s or like that. And then all of a sudden, you realise you know, as an individual is only so far you can go and then that erodes and you start having a shadow come in Yeah, all that time when you said I am this but not that. Yeah, that comes back without without any talk or more. And then that erodes and that’s where you know, people call it like midlife crisis. Yeah,

 

 

exactly. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

And then you always like let go to the bigger

 

 

Oh,

 

Bryn 

God wants you to Whatever you want to call it, and then once you let that into your life, then you’re into this part of service. Like those three sort of peaks in it. Is that kind of where you see yourself now, Gary,

 

Davey Rowe 

yeah, without a doubt, but I think it’s, I think even that even no matter what, what part of that, that phase, you enter your life, even if it’s early and you depend on your parents, there’s all these tiny little peaks and troughs within that, and this and this hero’s journey, you know, which, which we’re familiar with, you know, where the work we’ve done is just constantly occurring. And I, when I first when I first sort of got into that, that concept of like the hero’s journey, I remember thinking, Oh, it’s one circle, the circle of life, whatever. And it’s like, to me, it’s every can be every month, every year, every five, whatever it is,

 

Bryn 

every hour, every week, whatever it is, hundreds of these journeys come

 

Davey Rowe 

along, and it’s just competition. The more you become aware of it, the more you see it. Put exactly What you’re seeing, I think that’s, that’s a great description, you know, you’ve got like three major phases of your life. And I was told to a lot do that in I’ve done a little bit research about this with regards to the work I’m doing with a man’s work and that and the reading, like in your mid 30s, which is maybe the part you’re the first phase, you’re not as dependent on your parents, whatever in your mid 30s. You like as a man, you go through this cycle of like questioning, what the hell am I doing? Yeah, you’ve still got a mortgage, you still got dependents, you’ve got your family, you’ve got to keep them safe. You’ve got to provide for them as a man, that’s our job. You know, that’s built in generational ancestry. You know, that’s what we’re here to do for you guys role model and yeah, all that. That’s the stamp. That’s it next, next. That’s the way you’ve got to be in a course and you’re doing your thing, but at the same time in the 30s, it’s your question and really, like is this it is this you know, and then it’s like, well, you’ve got it you still got built so you just get on with it. And you have to go back in the main and just back in the trenches, and just Hard work again. And then of course, the midlife crisis period of life in our 50s. You know, you’ve maybe you maybe paid off most your mortgage or your mortgage or whatever. It’s like if you’re providing safety kids has grown up kids have left the home, you know, you and your last face and yeah, then you can go on nice holidays, you can afford to do this for sure you’ve got a little bit of breathing space, a little bit of freedom. And then it’s the big piano like, what the hell is this? It seems, as you said that, you know, you start to have that breathing space,

 

Bryn 

you have that space. And then when you have that space, that’s when the intuition and the bigger questions. Yeah, those gentle little quiet questions start to come up and we will get him I believe we’ll get them as you go on like a couple weeks holiday and you sit on the beach yet, like the first couple of days your brain is fried and it’s calming down. You might drink a shit to just calm it down and eat the ties yourself. And then you start like, yeah, chilli And then chillin, chillin and then you’re reading the book and then all of a sudden you’re going for a walk on the beach and do what I’m doing when I get home. And then and these questions start Whoa, why? Why is it that work in an office? I always wanted to be a whatever. And and yet you come back and then back into it yet. The interesting thing we just had is we’ve just had the obvious lockdown period there. Right? I 10 weeks varying. It’s been it’s always the more I speak to people, the more they’ve had this quiet time. And as we start to emerge, I’ve started to feel a lot more people just saw God. No, don’t do that. Yeah, yeah, it’s more widespread.

 

Davey Rowe 

Well, I think the the questions have always been there. Hmm. I think even as a child, you’re like, yeah, I have a really good vision be friends Am I happy doing this Mahaffey do now? What subjects excluded about this, whatever it is, you know, whatever you go through siblings whatever there’s them questions like bigger picture like what is about what is. But of course if there is you just Well, it was for me in it, but you’re just pushing it down because this is what you do. This is what life’s about. And you’re just in here,

 

Bryn 

and there is no space. No law. No, we haven’t got a view. You haven’t got time. And even if you do try and bring it up, I mean, like,

 

Davey Rowe 

no one wants to listen at our age. It’s

 

Bryn 

no No, no. Or it’s not. You know, what the hell are you talking about? Yeah. All right. Let’s get back to that hits and carburetor. Yeah,

 

Davey Rowe 

yeah, you know? Yeah, yeah, without a doubt, lit and lay fi but but you’re dead, right? It’s like you don’t even need your teens drinking going out girls. We are sex, blah, blah and all that. And it’s, it’s a bit of a like, this is this is the expectation of your life. And this is what you will do. And this is in your community in any area. In your family. Literally, this is the expectation. So you have to go down this path in the rebels that don’t, swimmable stats, and I’m not saying I was a big rebel. Browse. I’ve always been a bit of a lake. And I’ve always felt as if I’ve seen things differently. And I’ve just wanted to go my own way. Yeah, Who’s it? I grew up in em in bladen in Newcastle back in England back in England right really like how your listeners

 

 

explains the accent

 

Davey Rowe 

Yeah, exactly. I northeast of England. I preach like it was like a really hardcore place and and whatever. And the and the story was from blade and he started work. He grabbed your bollocks off and then only Then could you afford to go and live in Finland. So plane was at the bottom of the bank. And when Linton was like, the top of the bank that

 

Bryn 

you’d made that

 

Davey Rowe 

yes, your asper and it was actually called hungry Hill to get there. It was called hungry Hill because they couldn’t afford to feed the kids because we’re paying the mortgage. So we literally called it as kids hungry Hill. Oh, where do you live? I live up hungry Hill and there’s like your parents couldn’t get out. wasn’t true, but that was like the that was the nickname. So anyone that actually made it went to Finland. And of course when when me and Angie what Courtney more like you know, get the next stage it will age and we’re gonna live together. It was like when we get a house when lit and then whatever and it was like now let’s be different. Let’s let’s go to crawl Creek and that was that was another place towards hexam area like a little bit not in the country but 10 minutes from the country. And it was just to be different. Yeah. But it was. I mean, there was there was a classic we’re million RG I mean, I’d always lived in a council house because you know, we’re pretty out in a sense. An Angie was she lived in Hungary Hill, she lived she lived up in Lynn and both her parents were working. And they had money in a sense that a job in that world, Indiana back and this is back in the bloody 70s in the 80s. You know, and of course it was like when we were going to get together. I’m like, oh, we’ll put your name on the council house list. Like we’ll we’ll we’ll have to get a count close. Yeah. And Angie was like what universe is Navy? Can the counsellor but I didn’t know any different I didn’t know. And I’m like, well, we can’t afford to build our own house. And she’s like Costa Rica. And I didn’t have a clue. Yeah, didn’t have a clue was like me early 20s. And we sat down and it was like, that’s the first time when you Yeah, their support yet. And it was like, why don’t we just see him get a deposit? And, and I thought Laurie What can I own him? You know, like we’re gonna get it. It was huge one. It was a massive step for me personally because I’m thinking I didn’t do any different. I thought we’ll just get a counsellor and she was like, No, no, maybe we’ll save and, and it was just like and we did and within three months, I think four months we had word deposit. We bought a little beret or an Imam, the barracks, the barracks and we bought a little one bedroom like studio house and ops downstairs and an upstairs house. You know, like a tiny little tiny little house. You know, that was our first home I think was 60 and a half grand. Yeah. Wow. Oh, it was brilliant. It was them. I was at 83. I think 84 Oh,

 

Bryn 

so how did the boy from? Or the young man from Northeast England end up in Western Australia? I mean, what did you know about Australia when you were growing up? You know, at the bottom of hungry hill?

 

Davey Rowe 

Well, not a lot to be honest. I went, I’m a sheetmetal. worker. Yeah, so I am. So I got a I got an apprenticeship as a sheetmetal worker. And then a week out to me apprenticeship. We basically mean this mere domain. Mickey Cottrell got us into the office to see the foreman and he’s like, Okay, guys, we’re paying it off next week. And we were like, absolutely gutted. You know, this was 1982. And it was like, What immediately were like really good. And it was like, I’m not going to pay your mom’s wages. He’s still boys, you know. But we’ve qualified, we’ve got our certificates and everything. Yeah. And it was just Nana. That’s and of course it was the best thing he ever did. But at the time, We were devastated. Yeah. And it was just you out of a job, you know. So of course, that was it. I was out of a job. So we eventually found other jobs. And I ended up in this other factory unit. And I met a guy called Jeff Corkill. And lovely guy, one of one of my heroes in life, you know, beautiful man. I think it was 344 years older than me. So lovely lad. And we work together in the workshop, then Jeff just suddenly disappeared. And I thought whether it was Jeff gone. Anyway, a couple of months later, he come back in the workshop, and he’d been working offshore on the rigs. And I’m like, what’s the rigs? What’s offshore? So he told us a story. And then I went offshore, and then we really connected with another couple of guys in the fall. We were really pally off on this rig. And this particular night, it was lush and downer in horizontal rain coming in pissin down and then we’ll all went and hid around the corner. And of course they’re one of the guys sent the Jeff Tell us about Australia, Jeff. And I didn’t even know Jeff would be in Australia and he’d been in a hurry to like early. Yeah. And there. It was like and I’m like saying apply do and he started explain about Australia like Perth. He couldn’t live in Perth for a year. You could only stay Yeah. And then he got homesick. And he was just like you just described in the place of beautiful it was a warp and how clean and then he turned to me and he says to me, he says this is Dr. West Coast Highway. He says you want to see it. He sees you lit he sees a driver. We we live in ocean reef at the time, and the free will and he went over with Fernandez. Yeah. And he says I go on this course road every time Do you ever have Scarborough and I drive all the way up the course road. He says the beaches Montana he says beautiful pristine white sands. He says the ocean crystal clear. He says it’s incredible month sees you and I’m just like go so that was honestly literally it was like that it was just, that’s it. I’m gonna Australia, right? I’m godless in me and Angie Did you know we’re living together and Kroger I think they’re nice to me. And it was like everything was going great. We’re it was like in how we wanted it was more. Yeah, that’d be a bit more than what was another hobby summit more. It was late we and we thought it would emigrate and we got in touch with em, New Zealand, Canada, in Australia and this was like, like originally, like a year or so previous to the conversation with Jeff. We got knocked back from Canada, in the hair in Australia because we weren’t married in New Zealand said yeah, please come in. And we bottled it. And we were like a bit like, I really wanted to get the Canada Australia. And then but having this conversation with Jeff it was just like, that’s it. And I rang RG dotnet and I says, I says me news good emigrate Australia. And it was like, really, our CSI houses is what’s up And the follower literally the former was hiding on this rake and what these cups of tea like this My granny couldn’t see them gloves with a step to a gloves. Yeah you know the thing as I wear the fingers so you have the dexterity to pick the screws up in that. So I literally had a pair of these gloves keep me warm and be fingers out like this drink the cup of tea. And it was like we literally Cink the M polystyrene cups. Let’s all good Australia, the follower. And within a year Jeff was back. Yeah, yeah. And Phil was six months after Jeff and Colin was booed. Same time is filled. And then Angie fell pregnant was Sam. I was our second daughter. And then there that delay dose and then 1990 we got here, Jeff, three months before I was getting here. Jeffrey turned back he couldn’t hack it again. right he couldn’t steer I so he went back again he got homesick again. And then then in filling column or here when I got here, and then call it left within six months. Phil’s still here Phil is up next mouth basically retired semi retired living the life he and I’ve got this nice deck beautiful coffee van called the short or a logo on the on the beach on the beach of x both axes office beautiful

 

Bryn 

yeah so obviously am life purpose coaching wasn’t what yeah man dead no

 

 

sheet metal worker high

 

Bryn 

worker and then how did we get to coaching

 

Davey Rowe 

we am to sheetmetal worker the company I was working for Westbrook with a name once he was getting here and then you know it was it was basically sink or swim. So it was like let’s start one business but didn’t have a clue. didn’t have a clue. So clear out the bedroom, put an old desk in, got some cards printed and literally me and Angie just wrote down what we think we have to do to start a business and it was obviously go GM didn’t they’ve never flown in empties name or buys it. That’s Stage. This was like 91 I think 92 and then yeah, just got some cards printed and then I went to the Yellow Pages. It is it just wrong everyone. And yeah, I just did anything, anything for money, anything and just to survive and there and then I was on the dual was out there I was on the I was on the door or three months and then bought a product five grand off the bank lied to the bank said I was you know, anyway I wasn’t working but I got got me five grand bought the van for four grand and $1,000 worth of tools. Just like I that was it. And then that was a starter vortech and then we started this business and it was literally did like domestic air con and then into commercial. And then it just grew. And this guy I was working for and he was he was quite arrogant. He had this attitude in the industry for being likeable. Have a like, real stickler Yeah, I loved it. Because I knew that I knew it had to be a certain standard which was exactly what may street about getting it spot on perfect Good job. You’re not doing a quality job give me a new like it was it was really so vague, like really connected with me. And a few that I’m not worried about one guy, you know? Yeah. And I was like No, I like him. I like him. He was a bit aggro and full of yourself put a period on time and, and his word was his bond and great businessman. And he taught me a lot, you know? And he said, I want you to get you. I want you to get your own phone, which was like $1,000 in MDS. Yeah. Which is massive, you know, and he says, there, get you an insurance like workers comp and all that and I want you to go propriety limited, like a proper business. Yeah. And that was really the start of all tech and 93. So we started the company in 93. And then then, yeah, I just built it up over the years and I that was it. You got to be in King of the castle. Hi king of the castle err 2002 it’s funny because we had a big hit in 2007 we lost 352 grand on the joondalup shopping centre with a company called Diamond Diamond industries they went broke and that did without it were hard and it was a bit of a like let’s have a go like literally been and you’re like we’ve got nothing to lose and we had to put some money in was what these investment properties were sold and it was just let’s give it a go and I couldn’t and I was really into Fung Shui Yes, I’ve dealt with Fung Shui for years you know for 20 odd years and I got this consultant in and what this factory in Juneau this old crappy factory in Juneau little factory and was the only thing that was left when we sold everything else off. We ended up this factory. And she’s like, it’s it’s not facing the right direction. Are you? Are you familiar with function? Roughly? Yeah, it’s A lot of it’s like the time, like the birth date, you know, so the end of the year the factory was built. Yeah, you know, like it’s a build node of the year it was built the way its face and, and every every 21 years it’s like the edge off. It’s called the edge of the edge of 98 chips and the edge, you know, every 21 years I think it is. It’s a different age, right? And of course you have like prosperity points you have like like wellness points, and you have like a suit. So basically it’s like this, it’s like a compass. So basically, they divide the place and the different sections. So like a compass, and each section represents a certain aspects of well being Yeah, you know, whether it’s whether it’s wealth, relationships, happiness, and health, you know, and all this sort of thing and so it’s, it’s a, it’s a beautiful thing they get into like another Fung Shui. Anyway, she came shadow look, and she’s like, that’s not a very good place. It’s not good for your name. One day, you’re like, you got screwed yet and they won. They lost all that money. And it was like, all right. And then we looked over and we couldn’t afford anywhere else. And it was about a few weeks late, and she come back and she says, and she says, I’ve got an idea as he’s gone. She says, I was taught this off the grid of this grand master were studied years ago, is gone. And she says, it’s like, it’s classed as like a rebirth. And she says purchase, it’s a little bit alternate. Is that listening? And she says, You’ve got to rip the roof off the building, and open the doors, and rip all the walls out. And just let the cheap energy literally come through the building. And it’s in for six weeks, eight weeks, you’ve got to leave the building strict like that. And I’m like, right. And I got the concept. And I’m like, right, and she sees and then once that’s done, yeah. And she’s and she’s sitting there. And Jesus. You know, when I first heard the functionary years ago, the larger like your crack as you are you talking about and I’m like, I’m open anything I’ve just written a book. And this is like 5000 year old. Yeah, it’s not like so much just made this up and said, I’ve got this great idea have a go at this. It’s like this is this, this is thousands and thousands of years of wisdom in especially like, Eastern, Eastern sort of wisdom, you know, not like Western lay, you know, put our stupid blur on it, you know, and make it less of it. So it’s like, traditional traditional art, you know? And I says, right, and us, okay, and she left it with me and and she’s like, What are you thinking? I’m thinking, This is ridiculous. You know, within that much money between tone for all this money would kept the guys working and whatever. But of course, what if there’s a bit of a lull until all the legal side when we had to go back on the job and I had, like, 1214 guys I was employing, and it was like, we’re doing work but not super efficient and whatever. Yeah. I see some day net. And it was like really an SSI as is how I will do it. We’ll just do it. And it was like, right, we’re doing it and I’m ready. The guys in the next year, and this is what we’re going to do, I want us to under roof I want us to rip all the all the panels off, like literally the sheet metal panels, as is I want is to rip all the panels off. So move them all to one side, I want these walls down, we’re going to knock this wall down, we’re going to rip up all these tiles, we’re literally going to go to the place. We’re going to get it and then we’re going to leave it we’re in like this for like six, eight weeks. But lots of notes. But of course, that’s what we did. And and we did it. And then we rebuilt it. We basically rebuilt it we started in honestly one i mean i got i went to see all the other clients I was working for at the time and I said I need seven day payments to survive. So I was on like 30 days and the months and in every one every one of them, like helped us and went Yeah, and a problem and that you know, because what a good business while like a good company, you know we’re doing the right thing. And of course everyone’s just started again, a lot More money in like straightaway for doing the work so I wasn’t carrying it as much yet so of course the money seemed to come up a bit and I thought bloody hell this is good this is working. So of course we just started building this place and we redesigned the full office centre everything to suit Fung Shui principles, right we painted the walls like bright yellow, like a nice lemon yellow. Yeah, you know, and then we put like the they had like a prosperity point was now the front door. So we put two fountains like we put a fountain next to the front door, because the water represents like money coming in, you know, like finance and that you know, flow and water represents it the prosperity point. So we put out and then anywhere within within two years, we were literally doing some of the biggest jobs in Perth. And I remember talking to Tony Tony swells a jolly lad we brought over years ago lovely kid and his work he worked with for years and years. Really great lad. And I remember talking to Tony and we were just getting bigger and bigger 2030 guys 40 guys and two and he’s like what the hell you’re doing Jerry much too much in houses now. Houses were gonna be the biggest in Perth and he’s like why the fuck would you want that? That’s his just one it says that’s what’s going to happen we’re going to be the biggest improvement usually within the next two years and we literally worked within that two year period and whether it was the Fung Shui whether it was just the attitude and I honestly believe it was the it was it was like everything come together Yeah, it was that what we got to lose. Let’s just give it a go. The Fung Shui was just like beautiful how it fell into place. And it was a lovely place as well you know like the like the like the office like this. This has been designed as well with Fung Shui, you know this yesterday, the queue and obviously, next door, you know, this was all Designed to suit Fung Shui and yeah, and it just it was just a lovely place to work and have a nice feel, you know, and the guys and we just went open open up and then within four years were the biggest in Perth that was 2014 and it was like Yep, and when play in 7580 guys and it was like how are you feeling at the time? Elliot it was brilliant. I mean a lot of pressure. Yeah, loving it. Loving it just like just I know a lot of pressure in our work and massive hours but making good money everything was good. And then I The second big hit Children’s Hospital Perth Children’s Hospital. Got Hamada. Yeah, we lost. We lost 1.2 million and I was 14 months. How did that happen?

 

 

We got

 

Davey Rowe 

we got Blitz really nice and stats company came over and So what someone said afterwards again, a bit late, I was talking to someone who was working for this company at the time. And this says, your setup from the beginning, you know, it couldn’t have the job couldn’t have been done for the prices for what it was, you know? And we price the job. And contractually, we were super naive. Soon. I mean, Western Australia up to that point was all about shaking hands, doing the right things go old school. Yeah, I respect there’s a purchase order. Obviously, the rules is on the backboard. There’s no real rules, because we both know we’re both going to do the right thing. Yeah, you’re going to do the job. I’m going to pay you that’s what’s happening, you know? Yeah. And it was like, Yeah, I agree. So I’d had like, sort of 10 I had 10 years of that, in a sense. So it was like, why would it are 20 you know, why would it be any difference? 20 years, why would it be any difference? And of course, Sam, yeah, that was the way it was and we made good money in whatever throughout the year. I would employ a lot of guys and doing the right thing. But of course we’re super naive contractually and there are more recent states and it was this this like toxic feeling like if this this

 

 

just this

 

Davey Rowe 

I’m gonna squeeze the life out here I’m going to take everything I can from you and not give you anything which which is like the biggest bigger level of business in a sense you know when you get your head above the clouds who shit this is what happens OPR is it it’s like scary scary it’s dark out there you know like what the hell is storm clouds are coming in. I in this company just come in and just absolutely hammer dose hammers. And yeah, it was it was an absolute nightmare met at it. we’d spent I think was 1.8 1.9 in a 14 month period literally and I had Allah stats we were was like really organised with systemize the business at that stage. It was literally I had all the stats, spreadsheets, everything would spent 1.8 1.9. And they paid 650 700 grand. And I’m like these are send them in Brooke, there it is. You need a peer money. You need a PMA in the wall. We’re cutting back on the percentages. We’re claiming the word P and any variations to like back door and more on this. We didn’t agree that that and I’m like, there’s the email you did. You could never cut Yeah, and I need to meet and then it was like, I’m too busy. And it was just ruthless. Absolutely ruthless attitude. Yeah, but it was like typical, I guess, eastern states is I’ve heard eastern states, the big boys, you know, we know what we’re doing. We’ve come to Perth, and we’ll, you know. Yeah, and that’s exactly what happened. I mean, they’re just, they’re just absolutely decimated. We’re,

 

 

you know, for you personally.

 

Davey Rowe 

Ah, that was that was the lowest point in my life. That was sushi. That was the lowest point in my life, man. It was suicidal thoughts? like really? real dark place? Yeah. Like P and E and ah when you’re in Yeah, I don’t know if you’ve ever have you ever have you ever had like suicidal thoughts I ever been like, to a point like so shoot down where you’re thinking better if you just weren’t there? Yeah put it put you know you want to live you know you want to live but it’s just this this thing suddenly drifts off you’re like what the fuck is like the pain is just so

 

 

tight and I kind of breathe.

 

Davey Rowe 

You’re not like this somewhat compressing your chest and it’s just just anxiety and stress and just it’s all of this

 

 

numbed. I completely know Yeah,

 

Davey Rowe 

yeah and you breathe in and everything just closes in. It’s like it just like getting compressed in it’s like What the hell’s happening in here Feel it code you know it’s common. But then then in especially the first time it ever happens. Yeah. The first time it ever happens when it’s in. It’s like, What the hell’s happening? Yeah. Just like disbelief of late. Well, just do your normal stuff and the normal stuff doesn’t work. Yeah. Whether whether it’s playing football, getting out the gym, having a beer, having to be able to guys having a chat going over a nice meal, playing with the kids, whatever, whatever it is, it is. Yeah. It’s just shows the box that dad is like, you’ve got new tools. It’s like, well, I’m using everything. I don’t know what to do. And I do know and that and that’s the that was really like one of the high high It was horrible. It’s a horrible situation in the errand and of course, it was like that was that was really, I went to see the lawyers and that’s another story. I went to see platy this lawyer in Perth cost has a rank of one. It was five grand to speak to him and He’s, you know, anyway, sidekick. And I went and sat down to them five grand for the conversation and I was conversation. And it was like, yeah, anyway, within 20 minutes, he’s like, yeah, just walk off the job. And I’m like, well, and I says, I’m not walking off the job. I can’t walk off the job. It was just I couldn’t do it, you know? And it was like, Well, you’ve got a, he says, You’ve got a cancer in the business. It’s gonna kill the business. You’ve got a great business, everything else is working. These people are screwed. Yeah, these people are tearing you down. You need to walk off the job. And it was just so much fat like on legs near motion, no empathy. No. And it was just like bloody hell. And I the reality was, that’s what we actually do, but I couldn’t do it. Why can’t you do it? Well, to me it was I was in 1000 tech tech group. And then and I did a presentation and I broke down it This app broke down when I was doing this presentation. And it was in everyone and I’m using a great place to be non judgement so great. Like, it’s a great thing to go and the other tech group with regards to get knowledge and helping each other, but of course, it’s all numbers and just, you know, without that emotion and without that, okay, you know, in a sense, the care for you, but obviously, the just, you’re not so like just yet logic stuff. So like, how can we help you do it? And of course, our broke down, and it was like, blah, blah, blah. The lawyers, right? You’ve got it. And I realised then, I was holding on, like, I was letting me farther down, cause me father died, and I was young. I was eight years old when my father died. And that was my that was my big push throughout life. That was the story. Yeah, that was a draw. Yeah, that was the story.

 

Bryn 

And so often, in these conversations I have with people it’s that when everything collapses, oh, that’s when the Truth of the story that’s guided and pushed to, you know, like you said your friend Tony’s asking you, why do you want to be so big?

 

Davey Rowe 

Yeah, you’re like Chris is just one tip. Of course, it’s the music you want. Of course, it’s actually a choice. I’m a child. So my father died when I was eight. And I made it mean I have to provide for my family. I mean, I’ve had so much work on myself and read and different things over the last you know, 3020 odd years whatever. Yeah. And of course, I made it mean that I had to provide for my family as an eight year old child and of course which is like impossible but of course I’ve grew up with this belief not knowing I had this Yeah, this thing inside that says, You know, I am system drive, and I became literally this possessed man, this driven machine that was going to be successful and I and when I’m saying it’s a bit like, I’ve always went against the grain and a sense of I want to do only good when late and hungry, hell will go the cruel cruel Pick somewhere different, you know, go to Australia, that’s different. We’ll start one business that’s different. Yeah, we’ll be successful. That’s different. Yeah. But it’s like just drive drive, drive drive drive. And I was I was once describing this to me at once. And he’s like, bloody lots it. And I said, you know what says all through my life all through my life. I’ve karanji not on there. I says, I’ve got the two kids in this hand here. And I say as an I am ploughing through water, and it’s up to my chest. And I am okay. Now, arriving late this year, and I am walking pollen em like this. Yeah. And their feet are like less than trying to keep up. And I’m like, come on, come on, in this in this wick, and this water just comes away from my chest. And I am gone for it, you know? And it says, All of my life have been like that, you know? And yeah, that was that was The big thing and obviously like to look for me father’s approval and produce soon,

 

Bryn 

you know, in that presentation oh crap. And the truth is,

 

Davey Rowe 

well that that came that came a few years earlier when I did landmark landmark forum, right? Yes. I did landmark when I was. I think I was 4042. So and that was that was incredible. That’s when I got a choice. You know, you have a choice, which I never never knew I had a choice.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. Excel, do you think?

 

Davey Rowe 

It’s like what do you mean? I’ve got a choice. Yes, I got choice out the landmark forum, which was just massive. Yeah. Massively powerful. And then I got I’m doing what I’m doing because all I’ve ever wanted is my father’s love. Yeah. Before this understanding. And my father’s acknowledgement of like, yeah, I’m pretty soon. Yeah. Which was, you know, and of course, he was dead. You know, so of course, I’m never gonna get that. I’ll miss it. Well, I did get it. They did get it to them. That was what I asked. Yeah. And raised me I you know, for them. Yeah. But uh ya know, it was a

 

Bryn 

that was it I say you walked off the job.

 

Davey Rowe 

So yeah, so basically we we started a down band and they are literally there so I’ve heard you know, from behind the scenes there were like, it cannot be it cannot be doing such a stupid thing in a sense of we’ve got all these money, you know, but at the same time, if I’d kept going, I would have been broke. Yeah, literally I would have been broke with investors in the October 2014 October 2014. By February we’d run out of money and we’d be worth like 20 years, this great business so then within drained and gone and literally within, I think was 1214 months. They literally just just drained just cut me throat nutshells does Time, you know, the blood was just pouring out of his or just you just sort of as dry you know, financially. And yeah. And so we then terminated the contract lawyers involved again and it was just bang That’s it, you’re gone and the conversation you’ve lost 1.2 mil that was it and it was just a huge hit that was 2014 it was just like, what do you do, which survived Ghana which survived I mean, financially, it was massive It was a massive hit 2012 I think a third in we’ve had the best year we’ve ever had. And within within a year, two years we’ve lost a lot. You know, it has all gone. You know, when the bit mailers just been gone and then we ended up working a bit Midlands hospital. That was another bit of a shambles. And then of course, and then we ended up working on the prestigious three years later. And that was when it really come to an end. You know?

 

Bryn 

And for that point, we say it came true then did it come to an end financially? Or did it come for an end energetically for you,

 

Davey Rowe 

David energetically To be honest, we’re 2014 took

 

Bryn 

everything Ah, fuck,

 

Davey Rowe 

yeah. took so much out of me personally. Like emotionally and just like the want the drive thru the recognition of from the farthest thing to that is like it because of course from the landmark back in early 2000s. I’m thinking, I’ve ticked the box. That’s the reason why I do what I do. That’s what it is. So consequently, I’ve solved that puzzle. That’s that one that’s sorted. Of course. Yeah. It’s nothing’s ever sorted. So of course, it’s you just deal with differently an hour and a quarter 2014 when it reared its head again. I can’t walk off the job so I’m letting me farther down late, like emotionally it was just that’s where I broke down and then I realised and it was like bloody hell. So then I knew that I had choices from like early with a with a landmark thing. So it was I can choose to downsize. So I chose to like drop the drop the business down a bit yet. We parted company with a few stuff. We’re doing the Midlands hospital. We then ended up doing the stadium in the Perth stadium with a company and yeah, we’re like back in the game. Things were better. But things are still a bit tight everywhere. You know, the industry was getting really toxic. There was a few other eastern states companies in and the full attitude and who was all about greed, steal anywhere but can just cheat you’re just just screw this up.

 

Bryn 

Go into the overall Western Australia Business School.

 

Davey Rowe 

Right from the build as all as soon as as soon as the build has got power soon as soon as the union’s lost their power soon as the in our game mechanical consultants lost their power as a mechanical consultants used to override all the mechanical services companies and there used to really pick and handpick these guys, you know, as soon as they got rewarded for excellent, yep, yeah, all of that gone. All of that’s gone. And now which is doggy dog and now you’ve got the builders who have control and they’re the most ruthless out of everyone met and they will literally cut your legs off to save $1 they will just screw screw screw and just play games in there’s no loyal image. There’s the days of there’s my price. And it’s I mean, I knew that we used to get you we used to get the phone calls of different guys. I’ve just been told your price on this job, you know, blah blah blah and I wonder caught it now I’m going to be doing it. And it’s like what the company have sent me price it it was like it was mad. It was raised, right? rife in West. It’s been happening for years with a bill that’s met. Yeah Hartland for years with a builder’s throat this industry, the construction industry met if they didn’t Royal Commission on the construction industry. Christ, man, honestly, they would put a

 

 

Catholic church so good. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

 

Davey Rowe 

But you know yourself the Royal Commission just absolutely today. Well, as I said, they’re strictly recommendations. And we’ve done half of one five years later. And that’s enough Royal Commission costs of $20 million wasted time, which is pretty. So yeah, so that was it. So then and, and the 2000. And well, and the 2016 begin the 17. That was the big hit on the stadium. And we just didn’t get bid and again named. Yeah, it was 1.15 million. So I was in, so contractually, I’d really educated myself. Since the Children’s Hospital. Yeah, so I’d really educated myself. I’ve got a guy in as well, you know, as we saw the project manager, General Manager, and he was he was sprayed with fear with contracts. And they would call a lawyer in which spent 60 grand with an outside lawyer to go through the contract. So we basically done the job, we’re doing the job properly before we started the job, and it was secure. Yeah. And in part of this contract was the main part of this contract. And this took a lot of gone back and forth with this company. But the main part of this contract was, if the project is delayed for any reason, outside the vortex responsibility, we will issue the company we’re working for with a delay notice and they will issue was with an extension of time. Okay, so we’ve got him wants to do the job. If we can’t get on with our job in a certain area. We will see there’s a delay notice and they will say yes, no problem. There’s the extension of time soon. The End contract it extends out. Yeah. Create so after a couple of months, three months, mails behind it I bought them early days with a job by about the fourth or fifth months where you’re thinking bloody hell we should have been about 3015 20% when we bought 3% on the job yeah sure we did a we did a programme on this like a histogram and everything with regard to you and and again Excel and it was all worked out. I was on the job bla bla cost. So it was literally how many hours how many hours the guys has done so it was all systemized and it was just every week. The girl Jenny, she was brilliant. Just click click click bang, and it just self populated. You know, Bush, we should be 10% what only 3% Yeah, we should be 50% we’re only 8% we should be 20% we’re only 10% and you know suddenly we’re 20% the swan wanton Swan Lake put me know this is in and basically we put these notices in over a nine month period. Yeah. And of course right near the end near the end of 2000. 16 and then of course the company we’re working for, couldn’t get the drones I couldn’t get it. It was just a shambles. And the long and the short of it there was 30 on drones, like delivered to the workshop in one day and two days. And we were like, Can I be How the hell can this suddenly release 30 odd drones so we got in touch with a workshop He’s like, that’s what I’m looking at the cabinet they haven’t been approved. So a lot of these drones that they’ve released because we’re getting that much pressure off the build off multiplex. Yeah. Was just get the job done, get the job done, because he’s so far behind. And of course, then started deliver make all this work and all this stuff, making all this stuff get into the job, and of course none of it fitted. There was so many problems on the job and the delay is one massive and we want to try it obviously all the paperwork was in electrical stuff. So all the other bills and all the other services has gone on with that job. But of course the air con say that it was males behind and we lost 250 Grant in the November from what we paid out in wages to what we’d actually invoiced and it was like that it was a meeting. So we had the big sit to meeting. And we come to some agreement that they were actually going to take over the guys get through the negotiation, they were going to take over me guys, I was going to drop out the industry and just have a little team of guys. And they were going to tear my guys over and finish the job. And then we got to that agreement, and then they’re going to appear when hourly rate and then when we invoiced it the December the one eight now we’re not paying it. And I’m like, that’s what is agreed. We’ve just had meetings I’ve got, I’ve got the minutes of the meeting with that. What the fuck, what’s it helping you? And it was

 

 

not paying it. And it was just like you

 

Davey Rowe 

Okay, and that was it. I and then and then of course,

 

Bryn 

where would you rage levels? Oh,

 

Davey Rowe 

well, that was that was early at that stage. Then basically 28th of December about 515 we got a letter to see your contracts been terminated. You won’t be paid another cent from the Perth stadium project, the doc as stadium or Doom Coburn. And we knew the figures straightaway is 1.15 million. Yeah, and we won’t pay another cent and we believe you’ve breached the contract. You haven’t done this, this and this. And it was all Yeah, obviously condos just bullshit. Just absolute bullshit. We got straight onto the lawyers, we did this legal thing. And then it was you will remove all your equipment off the job on the fifth of January. And it was like we had 38 employees at the time. And it was just we knew then, that was the end of vortech. That was it. 24 years and it was like, and yeah, yeah, that was it. So we got done out. 1.15 we We sat down and negotiated in the February in the January, we sat in a room. And I said, Look, I’ve got Ritz, I’ve got a like a rip to serve on your 470 grand which had appeared because it was all this equipment, which sold them, which that appear when he were not offered with 300. So it was like 130 grand, that appear with 170. Or else we would have just won the book, you know, so because it’s signed our terms and conditions, and the other stuff, and we’re gonna go to court and all that, you know, and then and it was like gay 300 grand, I’m like, shove it. And then it was the comeback a day late and it was like we’ll get a 400 over three or six months period. And it was like, gives me hundred and 70 No, so we’ll serve them with a rate we got 170 within three days. And then we’re fighting for 925 and then we went we went through the process The legal process which is an absolute joke, especially in wam

 

Bryn 

is obviously I’ve seen it from the family courts. Oh, socking Joe,

 

Davey Rowe 

it’s an obviously in China. It’s like the people that write this and that do this and like there it is. If they would only go through with themselves Yeah, if they would only you would only God wish for them to actually go through their own process. Yeah, to see how unjust and how insignificantly simple it is in how and how much of a joke it is.

 

Bryn 

a day, one of the things I noticed was how, for some reason, lawyers get revered as being super intelligent, but they’re actually not bad in the slightest. They’ve just double down on this little process, which is the myopic view of the world. Yeah. And they charge obscene amount of muscle because some reason law drag you into it. Yeah, I think that law is the way to get a sense of

 

Davey Rowe 

justice out of things. But again, the system tells you it is. Yeah, the system tells we’ve been

 

Bryn 

taught over the years when really most of these lawyers, they’re not very smart at all. You’re the one that ends up trying to come up with a lateral thinking yeah, to approach it. Yeah. And they’re charging you seven minutes ago. So

 

 

anyway, nightmare.

 

Davey Rowe 

So we go Max, you wind it up. So we basically i’d Well, it were we bit we didn’t wind it up. We’ve got around it. So we had we had we had we’ve got $1.3 million worth of losses and the company and I don’t intend to pay attacks ever again in my life. So we’ve got them losses in basically. So every cent I make from now is tax free. Yeah, yeah. So obviously the coaching business and everything else I do is through the vortech in India can carry them losses on forever. I never knew this. Obviously this is sitting down with accountants wants to just That old and everything’s gone. And it was like, Yeah, yeah, that was the thing on. So of course, we’re just working through these losses. And it was funny because we taught a few few months ago. She says, No, no, you’ll definitely pay our taxes again. And she ran. And she says, Oh, yeah, easy. You’re welcome to make over a million dollars. Not

 

 

enough for

 

Davey Rowe 

like, Oh, that’s not Oh, you’re like that. I got a nice lift out of that.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. So if I do pay taxes, yeah, I’m happy to pay attacks.

 

Davey Rowe 

Yeah. Which I always was.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. So you must have wandered around in the wilderness for a while,

 

Davey Rowe 

who just was 12 months. So from the end of 2016, early 2017, to like, early 18. For that 12 months, it was Oh, God. We made some mistakes. We sold a house. We’d lived in a 24 years because what what, what this block of land on the coast where Jeff you know, Jeff would Yeah. Jeff told wall about, you know, lamb years earlier, and I had this idea I’ve got these I’ve got his driver’s licence. I lost my bloody driver’s licence years ago. And I rang him and I asked him to post dissolve as soon case because I had to use my van. Yeah, possibly I’d lost my licence for speeding and not running around because I was possessed to different jobs. So I got his licence in us and I got his driver’s licence in case I have to use it. Yeah, I was never pulled up again. Thank God, I’ve still got his licence. And I had this thing about putting it in I am like a resin kiss and cement like concrete in it into the slab. I was I was gonna design well we did design and this beautiful house on the cost and all that you know, on the cost road. Yeah. And I thought it’s gonna and this is Jeff’s corner. This is going to be Jeff’s cornea. Like literally on the on the property the look out over this view, you know, obviously, yeah, that was me. That was me like, like to honour Jeff in a sense because he died. He died a few years later, right. I die there. Early 90s mid 90s I was operating up yeah I put anyway yeah that was like that on a Jeff Fianna but I am. Yeah bow tie we am so 2017 we just we rip the band aids off everywhere and we lost a fortune MIT we just sold the land we sold a house with Iran. Mrs. mean Angie we’re just we were basically where we were in shock met. We were it was like 24 years of your life we built up this this thing we created this. And of course the people that were were laying off though like family some of the cons we can say that must have been really hard. Oh, honestly. I was I was in the office next door not news. I mean when the lights come in like and he was leaving that day and it was this as you don’t see that you know and all that and he come in and he just burst into tears and you know there’s a there’s quite a few to mine but this particular idea and and we just talked And we just solved. Yeah. And and then any left. And you’re just thinking floody what a heartbreaking situation. just sad, you know. But anyway, it was just another, another test and another part of your life, you know? Yeah. And that’s all it is, you know, just how are you going to react? No, do you know what’s going to happen next? And for that, yes, we bought this new house, sold the land we have this was a factory. This was just full of equipment and gear and shitloads of gear. And we basically run away Run away to England for 12 weeks. And I just had this thing, I’m going to get over their bloody scream, punch a wall, cry, whatever. And it’ll all be sorted when I come back, but not much changed, which is worse and still legal to deal with and still get bills from the lawyers every other month as another few grand bill and I’m like, for what, what? What, What’s this for? Oh, that’s fun. There’s nothing wrong with that no no don’t turn off of it and if you’re just like you just want it to end you just want it to end in this rich MIT this fucking rage inside here this was just walk and venom and it was just yeah as in years of the nr just taking shit oh fuck it was horrible horrible and it was like what you know anyway so that particular year I call it like survived you know we just we kept our heads down did a few changes to the new house and it was it was funny cuz we it was it was really mean and you’re talking about this the other week was started eating porridge it was in the winter and we started eating porridge underneath the pergola area like that like got like a nice Alfresco area the new house got these heaters in got these gas heaters in whatever beautiful and would sit there but would have liked with porridge in the morning and we didn’t have work so financially would survived financially. work here. Even though we’d lost all that money, the business was gone. We weren’t like, it wasn’t like 100 like get up and start working again. And yeah, your army bollocks off financially was safe. Okay, so that like the box was ticked. And it was like thank God without right. So it was a bit sure it was like we didn’t have that drive to get out and get out what you will literally lick my wounds and just, yeah, consolidate and just healing Yeah, yeah, just it’s literally it is it’s healing. And you sit there and yeah, you have a few tears and you have a bit of anger and and then the next day, it’s not as bad as it was and you get dealing with the death. It’s basically a grieving period. Mm hmm. That’s exactly honestly I mean, they went through the full stages, the disbelief, the anger, this the gnarly, whatever. And of course, and what eating porridge and I remember this particular deer in a chest and it was like, I cannot eat porridge anymore.

 

 

That’s it was weird.

 

Davey Rowe 

It was like a candidate porridge name all I’m doing porridge, sitting under here under the heat has redone appear by listening to the news, gone through the bloody iPod shit, you know, doing shit to ensure doing nothing just just survive and just survive. And I call it surviving. Yeah. And I says I can’t do it anymore. Yeah. And then I’ve been speaking and we provide my brother lives in the States. And I said, he says, I think he says, I think it would be a good man to come over and do this course. And he’s been doing like men’s work. Yeah, in our like, coach and sorta like in our communication for men and whatever, for like years and that you’re not doing his own work and art. And I says, Yeah, I’ve heard him speaking about this course before, whatever. And I’m like, Yeah, I see is when is it? February 2018. I says, I am coming. And I went this debt and it was just unbelievable. was unbelievable. Just a weekend course for men. So first time I’ve ever done men’s work. Just men.

 

Bryn 

What do you mean by men’s work?

 

Davey Rowe 

It’s it’s men. It’s men dilemma will shit. It’s men like people like me and you having a conversation without judgement. Yeah, I have no and this is something I’ve learned over the last few years. I have no fucking right whatsoever to ever judge you. Yeah. And you have no fucking right to ever judge me. You’ve got no idea what I’ve been through and I’ve got no idea what you’ve been through. And when you get that, when you really get that, then that acceptance in that in that empathy and that care, yeah, for whatever you’re dealing with whatever you’re going through. And not that non judgement space of like, and even when it comes in anything we’ll hold on.

 

 

Yes, I,

 

Davey Rowe 

honestly and I mean, it just gets you get through aware. The more we do this work, the more aware you get in it’s like, just listen

 

Bryn 

because A lot of right. I’m gonna go out and one of the moment that, you know, it’s very quick to talk about, we can be very quick to talk about how, you know, females can be very catty in this that they’re in, you know, that’s not just an observation, that’s what

 

 

you say. But managing worldly women mind

 

Bryn 

what we continually in our heads competing for resources, resources, our money and women,

 

Davey Rowe 

women, high money, women, and just status

 

Bryn 

status. Yeah,

 

Davey Rowe 

you know, getting on with a job. I’m the favourite, um, that, you know, we’re looking, we are fundamentally made, I believe men are fundamentally looking for the approval of the father of the of the dominant or whoever’s in charge, right? I’m doing a good job. You know, whatever. We’re looking for that approval. I’m doing well. You know, yeah. And even if we’re looking for approval of the man we’ll work with. Yep. You know, that’s Did they start lifting and I have to scrape this later sent? I was talking to someone and you don’t get given it

 

 

you have to go Oh no, you gotta fight for it. You’ll fight for it. You’re gonna fight

 

Bryn 

and give it to yourself by fighting and yeah, and oh, look at me now, you know? Yeah, yeah. And you’d have gone through it with Yeah, at the peak of the cook you know oh successful company millions yeah

 

Davey Rowe 

yeah without a doubt put it put again I’m I was always back to that doing the right thing I’ve honestly I’m you know i mean it’s it’s a bit of a wake up I’m a lovely blue I’ve always been a really nice guy like I’ve always done the right thing and yeah I fucked up not made mistakes and I’ve heard people didn’t intentionally kind of hurt them and i’ve you know I’ve done things wrong Of course I haven’t like everyone else. But fundamentally underneath the way I was brought up, you know, I’ve always thought I’ve done the right thing and wanted to do the right thing by people you know, be and be a nice guy. You’re not just just just just serve and just do But of course you want to get on yeah and that’s

 

Bryn 

that’s where these stories come in and you drive from yeah so yeah you’re in America you’re in this exploratory non judging

 

Davey Rowe 

or not I went into so I went the states went on this course and then basically like the drive from the California and mountains freezing and of course before I went there me brothers like you and me me brother meanwhile our two month super close made me prove that we are sewer like me it Yeah, we are sewer like his own real one that our lives are just parallel Like what? Yes, what we’ve dealt with and now we’re at the CH in as well over the last 20 odd years where we’ve had these conversations. Yeah, and him being like the older guys like the hero in ice three years older than me, of course, you know, but it’s like, wow, we are now and it’s and it’s like we’ve had these conversations, where there’s neat judgement, how can it possibly Juju pro only possibly judge me It’s all out of Louisiana. Yeah, so of course went on this on this course it’s freezing cold and we brothers like of course I’ve taught this stupid bloody jacket from Perth and he’s like are you packing it he says that’s not good it’s fucking freezing throw that he says we’ll go we went out bought a big jack had a big product tog tog thing whatever it was called in our like likely proper jacket Nola because it was bitter cold in the in the mountains of California. And he says Yeah, it’s pretty it’s it’s been a little bit altitude, you know, abolishes it recently? You know, and there anyway, so of course, we drove them we got to this core. And of course, all these men are sitting with soulless about you know, and a guy’s like, come over and it was like a military operation. It was like, honestly, you would love it. You honestly I would recommend anyone. And it’s like a military operation and it was just alright guys. Just get the cause geekier. Just put the keys in the car, leave all the gear there. Blah, blah. Get dressed super warm company just joined a queue. And it was just like, yeah. Don’t talk. Yeah, NATO and guys, keep it keep laughter down. And just, you know, never say what we want and this big this big line like this, and we come to this guy and he’s like nebbia little patch, you know, there’s a patch. And there’s a mask, like a little Pier by like a lone ranger mask. And he’s like, put on your pocket for Leanna. tv. And I’m like, yeah, you know, whatever. an MIT student and there’s this big bridge. Big bridge went over this mountain, this big Canyon, like this moment, like this reveal extreme running underneath. You know, there was a guy there. It’s like, all right, Danny. ch ch does, you know, first time I’ve ever been seized, you know, like blasted Alex clean smudge, you know? And, and it’s like, yeah, and he says just walk and see the guy in the middle and the middle of the bridge deal. He says okay, and have a chat with him. See See here. And I’m walking across this bridge and and there’s a guy standing in the middle, you know, and I walked across this bridge, and I got to this guy in this and he’s in a sort of stood like me there often. And even before I went to shake his hand, and obviously it’s done this 1000 times. He just steps forward like this and he puts his hand on the shoulders. And he says, Mr. Roe, because your name’s Mr. roe. He says, Mr. roe. He says this as your weekend. He says, I want you to go at the edge of that bridge that and you face that fucking mountain. And you announced Your Name three times. You tell that mountain you have arrived. This is your weekend. And it was like for now. It was just like, wow, an hour, right? And I walk to the edge of the bridge and I mean, this magnet nificent rocking view and I stood there and I went, Oh, my goodness, I did it once. I felt this thing Birdman, c’est la vie de nos with a straightedge and by the third time, I was nearly crying. It was like, Fuck, like, I could feel like the adrenaline like a motion. Yeah. And I thought bloody hell. And then I come back to him. And he says, You have arrived constant over ms on Fallout Q. And I went and follow this, so the Kunio that guy, and all these guys were screaming the name, and it was like bloody hell. I joined us with a cue and I went down, in we’re all standing underneath the bridge, with a stream, not a fire there. And all these men was sand underneath the bridge. There’s like 30 4050 men, 60 men, and we’re the guy above worse. griemann you could hear him announcing himself. Fuck man. It was powerful. And he went on from there looking powerful. And we underneath there. And it literally it was like, no one spoke everything. And it was them. And then one guy started, Povey, like the lovely guy, fucking powerful man. And Paul says, Man, this is your weekend we have I think was like 42 hours to make a difference. Do not fucking waste this time. And it was just fucking now. And then he says Ticket Ticket must show you all hundred a mask. Put your mask on now. And we will put this pepper mask on. And it was like every man wears a mask. I mean, this was the first time I’d even heard the term. Yeah, every man wears a mask. He says we have worn masks all of our lives. And he says I’m going to go around. I’m going to ask you what mask Are you Wearing because this weekend we will not be wearing a mask. This weekend we burn the masks. What mask are you wearing? And he turned to this guy and he was like lace and this guy guns. What man are you are so any guns? angry man. This is welcome. Hungry Man. Do you want the next one? And this guy’s late, lonely man. He’s like, too low. In the end it was comin right when I’m thinking, Okay, who am I? You know? And it was literally and it was getting closer and closer. And I’m thinking Who the fuck are by Who the fuck is dv Ra? And this is honestly this was like it was like what the fuck am I doing? Yeah, like, yeah, you know? And it was literally and it got to the guy next to us. And I’m thinking who it’s been next you’ve got 5060 guys gonna you know, and it was literally and then it was like, Mr. roat you know like who you know and i guns. I’ve got my shit together, man. And now That’s what I that’s that’s the tape of man. I portray. Yeah. Got me shit together. I’m freaking out. It’s all good. Yeah And honestly, yeah, yeah, everything’s looking great. Yeah, cut me shit together. And that was that was that was who I was on that weekend and I was like fuck, and then we took the mask off and burn them in the fire that was the first like in a ritual Bernina and that was the start of that weekend. Ah fuck, it was unbelievable change your life fucking power format. Powerful weekend. And that was my introduction, the man’s work and the California and mountains look in Maine this year awesome. And it was just I unbelievable by the Friday night by the end of the freighter, I’m lying in bed about one o’clock and it was like compared to an alley kids school company. You know, whenever you have bunk beds for and swear and bloody, you know, naked men, you know, just kids on campus or whatever. You’re just doing your thing. And online in this sleeping bag. I’ve dealt with manga by the end of the frayed and eight minute done these exercises during the day and online and I’m singing fuckin hell. And it was gone. And that tightness and that in and that anger and that read fight smoking gun. It was powerful stuff, man. fuckin powerful stuff. Yeah and it was gone. And then then I then it was like, and then the next then at the end of the weekend it was basically it was like, bring it on. I was scared of what was gonna what was next? I was scared. No, I’m like, fucking Bring it on. I’m ready. But I knew at the end of that weekend, that this the work I’m doing now. This was my purpose. This was my This was my purpose. How

 

Bryn 

do you go from being big into rhyme works you’ll obviously have carried on Then Then something going I want to help others with their words

 

Davey Rowe 

that well it’s it’s it’s just natural to together it’s just natural i i think it’s just like it’s it’s like it’s a, in some respects like as an apprentice when I first went to serve me time there was an old guy and a lot of the guys slag them off old Billy Billy Davison I loved him. He was like a really lovely guy. It’s like an old school old guy clever fucking autism in our sheet metal, like just anything just, you know, old school, you know, old scraper. You know, it’s like he’s had it for 2030 years and it’s like, steel, which is like, any grains are up every now and again and if anywhere, he’s just an old old school stuff, but they used to sees a miserable bastard, you know, I fucking loved him. I thought he was like a really lovely guy, you know? And he taught us a lot, but it was like, he’s teaching me as an apprentice. And of course, and then once I knew what I was doing a sheetmetal worker it’s like an honour. Yeah, it’s an honour. You feel it to teach anyone Oh yeah. Non omit. If you bend that edge first and you do that you’re not shit like this. All right USDA Vienna and you’re like, because that’s what I believe that the VA you know, they just it’s just it’s to me it’s natural. It’s just life. Yeah, it’s life. It’s like a father and a son, you know, tie your shoelaces out of kick a football out there ready to bake you know, it’s just you’re just passing this on. So of course when you do your work, and you and you find healing and you find peace within and you find your happiness, contentment in this and this awareness and this this this the states of bliss, which you could never ever imagine were available than ever to anyone because you didn’t even know they existed. Yeah, when you find these places of

 

Bryn 

the story stop and you get the access to

 

Davey Rowe 

Yeah, yeah. When you when you when you find these experiences with your soul So fulfilling and so like wow, that’s fucking true joy. That’s what it feels like to feel that it’s like yeah that’s what it feels like then when you get you kind of bought share it, I want to share it you know in the help in the say and they say these these people like evolve and change in front of their eyes It’s like it’s fucking miracle It’s a miracle. And honestly I witnessed miracles on that weekend and I and I’ve done it so many times you know on different courses and will be cool chin and man’s courtship courses I’ve done and in Perth and in Bali and Ghana it’s ami coaching courses I’ve done the last two years you know like witnessing different courses and techniques. In in any say them guests see it dissolve you see you see these People in front of your eyes just

 

Bryn 

what is it this dissolver

 

Davey Rowe 

it’s the shit the pain the Korean Yes. It’s the Korean from the childhood. Yeah, we’ve you know again I’ve been studying this for the past two and a bit years you know since I’ve gone to the kitchen and obviously read read stuff and watch documentaries fundamentally and you would know the senate fundamentally so this is my belief show me the boy seven I’ll show you the man so you know that’s obviously a very old scene but I think it was to be honest we and I think was m r star first card within assuming I’m sure it was a Greek Yeah sure. Is it quick so the philosopher I am shows no Greek philosopher that said that in our show me. The boss said no, give me the boss. Boy seven. I’ll give you I’ll show you the month. So anyway, but he put fundamentally soon This is science is proven Joe dispenza. You know, Bruce Lipton’s 90% of your value beliefs and identity is formed between the ages of zero and seven.

 

Bryn 

Yep, these are fabulous hypnotic stuff.

 

Davey Rowe 

These are facts, right? Because you’re in this you’re in this theta brainwave state, like a little sponge and you soak it all in, and your parents and your community and your environment and your siblings and your school friends and whatever it is, it is. This is who I am, listen, whatever, blah, blah. So 90% of what you ought to do, at this moment in time, was created within the first seven years. The next 20 years is basically creating the next the next 10%. So by the age of 28, whatever it is, that’s it bank. Next, you’re complete, right? So you’re wrapped up in your little bubble, and that’s it. This is who you are, that’s what you were, but 90% of that is is a child. Yeah. How the fuck does that service is adults having these limiting beliefs and fears and anxiety and identities. Vera Lake from a child’s perspective. How the hell is that? serverless in our adult life now? Yeah, it’s not. Yeah, so the realisation is first of all you’ve got to understand that bit. These are facts. This I’m not Magnus. So this is scientific. these are these are the these are the rules of life. Yeah. So now as an adult, are you scared off because everything’s fears behind most things, fears behind vast majority of problems in whatever right? So what you know. So what you’re scared of is generally a limiting belief or something from your childhood from your past. Something happened in you made it mean this, whatever it is, it is fundamentally you can literally this coaching techniques in some of the techniques I use now and what I’ve seen use and some of the man’s work techniques in that which can fundamentally transform you within minutes within an hour within you It is like, it is like I’ve seen it enough. I’ve had it, it literally, it melts away, and you no longer feel that and the new neural pathway is just gone. And you feel a bit heady, you feel a bit dizzy a little bit spacey dreamy, bit dreamy, blah, blah. And that’s all. All of this is working and they’ve got it in again. So I’ll prove mutual dispensers here. Blue slips have got it on graphs. There it is Ed is on the screen, you can see the new synapses, there’s billions and billions, millions of these synapses work and whatever. And you can see it for me and now you have a new pathway. Now you have a new thought pattern from that old thing. So that old thing of being bullied at school I was bullied at school right and picked on and whatever blah blah. So now now I see bullies. I will actually stop and I’ve always done it like stepped in to stop it. I will Have it not fucking have it right? I won’t have someone bullying someone else. I won’t have it in my space. It’s just one of my boundaries. I don’t do it right, I won’t allow it, you know, and whatever the situation is, I won’t, I won’t allow it. So it’s like, but I’m not where I was like, scared. It like as a child, I was scared of being bullied and picked on whatever, I’ll actually have found the courage and I will over the edge with the work I’ve done. I’ll let you step in. And if it’s a guy that’s gonna chin, his arm, his nose, whatever, whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen, but I won’t have the bullying. Yeah, so it’s like that fear. Now is no longer there. Whereas it used to be there, but now it’s not there. Yes. You know, of course, it’s like in between the work I’ve done and the different things and limiting beliefs. I mean, it’s like fear of fear of judgement, and our fear of fear of success, like for responsibilities huge month. Yes. So many people are scared of being successful. You know, it’s like Isn’t this what you’re doing this for? And it’s like, yeah, bro, we go to that phone, then I pull back. Why the hell do you data? It’s like, well, if I go past that line means I’ve got to take on more stuff. In the end. It’s like, well, what are you doing it for? Just to survive? And you’re like, Really? So then let’s get underneath why what’s the fear of have more responsibility? You know? And a lot of this stuff is literally getting underneath to the core. And we’re talking like core core issues, mid core beliefs, core identities. And if you didn’t get the core identities, this stuff, then there’s a reason behind it. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. They’re not meant to be there. Yeah. Or they’re not serving Yeah.

 

Davey Rowe 

Or they’ve served you so far in life. And that was

 

 

like your story with your dad.

 

Bryn 

Build the company. Perfect. I had podcast guests before. The story that they picked up out of the childhood is the one that’s driven them without then all of a sudden You can pass the shirt off.

 

 

Yep,

 

Bryn 

that’s it. And now it’s wearing you

 

Davey Rowe 

out. That’s, that’s Well, that was literally on my knees exhausted. You know? I mean, that was, that was a classic which we sort of skipped, but it I think was 2000 2002 I think it was about I come early 2000s with a landmark. I mean, I’m I’m literally, I’m so successful businessmen bla bla at about 1415 stop, I’m driving down the freeway. And this early morning, I was sort of on the tools of the tools and I’m literally driving down the freeway in the van. And I like, exhausted in this thought, come in my mind. I’ll drive me fine off the road. I’m going to crush the van. I’m going to break my legs. And I’m not going to be able to go to work. And it was like What the fuck? And it was like instantly like Where’d that come from? And it was like you want to commit suicide? You know? Do you want to like a nice one stop it. It was it was not what I want to commit to beautiful wife, beautiful kids, but all I’ve got a success. What’s the problem? I just need this pin to stop. I need the rest. I need the restaurant to know how the rest couldn’t rest met. Anyone that knew me and then dears in our family, friends, whatever. Yeah, Davey driving is just an absolute fucking machine myth. And honestly, in my 30s out fuckin, I’d run through that broken wall. So usually, it’d be like, you need to run through that wall daily to get to the next stage. And I would literally just fucking run to that wall at Lake Holden bank. And I didn’t get through the first time I tried again and again and again. And it was like, there. I’m through the wall walk now. Please, I didn’t think you’d do it. Oh, yeah, I am to the football. What’s next? Because all I ever wanted in my life was somebody telling me what to do. My father.

 

Bryn 

Yes.

 

Davey Rowe 

All I ever wanted in my life was somebody telling me what to do. You know?

 

Bryn 

So how how do you see the requirement now? In this day here in June 2020 How do you see the requirement now for men circles

 

Davey Rowe 

and stuff like that it’s massive math massive method so needed the men’s work the men look the men’s work like me and Dan’s doing and I’ve got like a partner with authentic man you know started these m this like business this group you know, this community called authentic man, you know, and main dance weren’t again and Dan’s a young lad I met on my coaching course and that you know, and in the community were created which is really you know, do like the free zooms on a Monday night free, so any guys that’s struggling, a little bit lost, whatever, come on the free zoom To talk about different subject or we’re doing like a man circle Yeah, we’re going to be doing that like a proper course you know, like we’ve we’ve created like seizure power. It’s called seizure power course like a nine week journey self discovery, from Who am I that’s the first one, you know, who am I? And then all the way through to finding your purpose. You know, like moving on in life, you know, whatever purposes whether if your purpose is being a caretaker at a school and having a having a rental property and loving your family and kids, that’s beautiful. Then be the caretaker at school and love your family and kids and just live that life of contentment. If your purpose is running a multi million dollar business, brilliant, good Anya. We’re here again. We’re here to gauge it to find clarity, to find the way forward to deal with the past stuff shit that’s holding you back, you know, and that’s what men’s works about having having these honest and sometimes brutal conversations. A lot of men are terrified of this. Because they have to be vulnerable. We don’t do that no man to wonder do not want to be born doesn’t help in the competition for resources, it doesn’t help competition for money, women in our prosperity, whatever get non being liked whatever, you’ve been vulnerable era, and it doesn’t. So it can be difficult, but at the same time once you’ve done it, and we’ve all done it, you know, we’ve been in these situations where we’ve had these conversations and, and cause you weren’t judged because you’re in this safe, trusted space, where no one’s going to judge you in here. You know,

 

Bryn 

we can explore

 

Davey Rowe 

Yeah, because you only when, you know, judge can you then have these conversations, which are powerful conversations. To then create something else you’re on understand that’s the emotion underneath that. Yeah, I’m feeling this but didn’t even know what was that? Yeah, that’s what it is. That’s where it comes from. That’s where it’s come from. Yes, that’s where I pick that shit up. That’s where it is. So I feel this shit. And now I’m going to no mate because it’s painful. I’m going to get pissed, I’m going to take drugs. I’m going to go and punch someone’s head and I’m going to go to the gym. I’m going to do this I’m going to do that go the gym was 40. All of this is all just plaster, plaster, plaster plaster, you know, the infection in the wound is this Yes. And whatever this is, whether it was child, God four page, you’re abused as a child or you are, you know, whether it was emotionally, mentally, physically, whatever sexually, God forbid it was that Oh, you were bullied or you are laughed at at school, or whatever it is, it is whatever that is. That’s that. And this is Hayden underneath that in this course. The idea of this course that we’ve created in men’s work in New Haven, this court men’s work as a whole the idea of men’s work of all column, whatever is literally to get together. get to that. And when you shine light on this like a shadow, you know, I was talking about Shadow Work, you’ve realised you’re wearing a mask. Now you know you can see your shadow which has been driving you this negative influence which isn’t served you know, any career now you know, it’s not serving you at all now. Now, like anything is shine a light on a shadow and it disappears. Shadows cannot be hidden you know, I mean, it’s so one tool is up with a flame once and I’m like really, a candle doesn’t have a shadow and it doesn’t. So I’ll actually went through them and I lit a match and I put it up against the wall because I’m thinking there’s going to be a shadow off of the candle and it wasn’t because obviously that was the great late if there was a great alight Oh, cherry wood. Yeah, you know, but because the cause of the candle was the great light or the match was a great light it was there was no shadow off the end so it sounds daft as they put it was like it was obvious Really? Yeah, I put shadows cannot live in light. So the idea is to discover what this is bringing Out in the Europe and it’s not as scary as you think it is not bring it out in the Europe when it’s out in the Europe. And now let’s look at it. Yeah. Bloody hell. of us still not going for that promotion because I was bullied at school. Yeah, yeah. That’s the only thing that’s holding you back mate. How do I deal with this? He has some techniques. He assume tools. He has some tips. Let’s deal with been bullied at school. Certainly, that doesn’t bother me anymore. I’m going to get this promotion. And let’s like go and get the promotion off the ground. And that’s, that’s that’s what this is about me. That’s what all men’s work is about. Dealing with our shit. But taking radical responsibility for everything that went on in your life. Yes. Even to the point of now with a work I’ve done. I honour honour my father to a level where wow, you know, if it wasn’t long before there’s death. You know, I wouldn’t be sitting here literally I wouldn’t be having this conversation with you I wouldn’t be in this incredible space you know I wouldn’t I wouldn’t have the the knowledge the pin the healing the feelings of love and contentment to a level where it’s like beyond anything I’ve avoided I’ve ever experienced one it’s like incredible

 

Bryn 

and then you wouldn’t have had those two other traumatic event no stadium no children’s hospital now. Which likewise massive you got to be grateful for. Ah, fuck I mean, Perth.

 

Davey Rowe 

Perth did a did a course with Timmy Morrison. Yeah, in in Bali called the brave in credible this course. Incredible this course. Super, super powerful, beautiful. I finished this session with Timmy wattana taking radical responsibility for your life and different things, whatever it was, you know, group of 14 guys on this course. Beautiful setting in this resort finished this setting, comma, we’re got the journal out, just writing. And I wrote the forgiveness letter to the guys, I forgive them. And to the guys that I had the dispute with on the stadium. And, and I basically thank them. Yeah. And I thank them for the lessons and you know, the experience to put me on this path now, you know, and I wrote by hand then I was in Bali a couple of years. Before I come back to Perth, and I taped it all in and I rang five different people for advice with regards to the wording on the letter. And I couldn’t get through to any of them. And I wrote this letter, and I got the email set up to send this letter. And I rang five different people obviously, Angie, you know me, brother. Eddie we are running under three different people. And I couldn’t get an answer. And I thought there’s a reason why I’m not getting an answer. Do you just trust yourself? So yeah, just go with it. And that was it and I send and I flicked the email and the next year I got a reply of one of the guys whose three directors that were involved with a situation and I got a reply off one of them and it was just thanks for the lead I really appreciate it and I’m pleased you found like peace sort of thing you know and good luck with what you’re doing you know, sort of thing. And one of the other guys said pretty much the same thing and he’s like, thanks for the letter. Appreciate it. Appreciate appreciate moving on and I also forgive you and it’s in as soon as I read that it was like, cheeky bastard

 

 

on the wondering forgiving here and it was like cheeky bastard

 

Davey Rowe 

but it was like it was within fun. It was it was it’s like it’s like a millisecond one. Yeah. The awareness now was like you get the more and more you do this work. You become so cute so to watch and super tuned to what you’re dealing with and it was just TV, let it go. And it was like it’s gone. It literally it was like literally instantaneously. It was like cheap bastard. Like why should and it was like whoo This is his I was a twat. I did go out to hurt them. I slag them off to everyone in Perth. Yeah, I went out we were freaking to embarrass these people to really try and put them down because at that stage, I was in pain. I was angry. I was fighting them whatever, you know how they cheated is this is that was the belief then and it was all you know? And it was like let it go to me and within a second that gone. And then I got an email offer or text off one of the other guys and he just says really appreciate that letter blah blah late in middle For a chat, and I can’t yet they swear. So we went for breakfast a couple of months later. And yeah, it was it was really grateful and he was really, you know, thankful for you enough for what I’ve done and the steps I took them whatever. And Yani obviously since they apologised, you know, obviously, that that, that hurt me personally that hurt me family, that hurt the business business was ruined, in a sense, you know? And this these are facts, this is what happened to you and, and he realised he got that he and I and he says he says I just he says I really do want to apologise and it was sincere and it was genuine and authentic and Yana thank them in Ghana. And yeah, that was it. And and that was the end that we sought the part of the company and said look, I’d like to get in touch as soon as you have course yet please just keep in touch any problem. And yeah, and I’ve got any problems but no, the fear isn’t there for me to pour into these guys. Yeah, because obviously the fear was always about you know, If one of them says I’m gonna lose it because I knew that within that first 12 months met wow within that first 12 months I was like do not fucking dare walk into a pool but do not fucking dare frickin question our cause it was this reach myth fuck this it’s an all over yeah it’s in all the way it’s in every every human being it’s in women generally it’s it’s in women men it’s in men it’s in everywhere we in you know I’ve only I’ve only lost my temper twice in my life and it scared the shit out of me scared the shit because I i knew i can kill someone with my hands and it sounds ridiculous but it’s like I mean everyone can we can all Yes, but I knew at the time the first time I lost my temper rock’n’roll emotion I was crying afterwards for like a day and a bit later. And I was I was telling Angie and I was like crying and it was like and it was Like, it was like because I knew it was like fucking hell, I was literally gonna kill money and I was gonna literally Brittany’s throat can kill him. Yeah, because that’s that’s it was horrible. It was horrible, scary. But I would I am I but that’s the lesson I put forgiveness is forgiveness man is one of the outset one of the hardest things I’ve had to deal with. But one of the most rewarding fulfilling ends. And the relief at the end of it is just it’s just like, why do you want to carry that? Yeah. Why do you want that carry that? Just be paid and he am on and it’s like, why?

 

Bryn 

fucks everything else?

 

Davey Rowe 

Yeah. Why do you want to carry that resentment and anger outward is bleeding over. Yeah, it’s like horrible. It’s and it’s literally it’s just like Thank you. It’s gone. It’s enough. It’s not me. There we go. It’s gone.

 

Bryn 

So the question I like to close out my podcasts with is Yeah, we’ve been on this incredible fucking journey over the last hour or so is it kind of helps to sum everything call up but and and turn it into a little nugget is that if you could take a little nugget of information and upload it into the collective consciousness? This is Davey’s like contribution to the collective conscious. So everyone just gets it Yeah, it’s part programme.

 

 

It

 

Davey Rowe 

change doesn’t have to take a long time. And it doesn’t have to be that painful. Yeah. Like I’ve honestly been I’ve witnessed it over and over again. And I’m talking like massive transformation and people you know, some of these I mean, like, you know, like where NLP you know, like parts recreation and birth, which is like incredibly strong. You know, it’s like timeline therapy like some of these techniques. And no, I’m studying the gamma brain waves. No, I’m looking at the gamma Yes. Which is like a different level. Again, I’ve just started getting into this because that’s going to be a game changer massively. In the future. We’re talking about tapping into a brainwave state that was like so basically Bruce Lipton basically says zero to seven in that brainwave state. So let’s remove that.

 

 

Let’s go back to there.

 

Davey Rowe 

Yeah, and tap into that remove stuff that doesn’t serve were installed stop that to see if we know the neurons will collect in our Banga gamma rays gamma is another level again and it’s like again the stuff I’m reading about it whatever it says connecting to bigger and yeah yeah, that’s that’s I awareness, which is like incredible so that’s what I’m that’s what I’m studying. Now. Gamma. Doesn’t have to take a long time. It doesn’t and people are people are so people think I’ve been carrying this for 2030 4050 years, it’s gonna take 20 4050 years to get rid of. It’s like it doesn’t. It can literally within minutes, when you are ready to release and relieve yourself of this shit and this plan you are carrying in you have that conversation because it doesn’t physically No, no physical harm. No. It’s just something you are carrying in there in the pain, it’s causing you and you can literally have a conversation. And within five minutes, man within 10 minutes, you can suddenly be like, so if I do this that lap, yeah, yeah, that’s right.

 

 

You say if you say the physiology is yes, see if you save the emotion

 

Davey Rowe 

and it’s like so at the end, I mean after afterwards. sessions and seriously I’ve done sessions in this like it literally, especially with this Ember, which is like incredible. And I’ve got clients like salt lake Salt Lake, we’re not in LA, like we’re not in other common area this like relaxed state, there’s like tears roll down the face. They’re like, fucking hell TV, or something happened to her. And I’m like, it’s really nice. Every time I witness it, man, it’s like, just incredible, isn’t it? I’m like cry Willie. And I mean, the motion is just that connection, that bond, but you’re just like bloody hell, man. It’s powerful in it. And they’re like, what the hell? And I’m like, I love this. I love this work. It is so fucking rewarding with a lot. It’s it’s me higher purpose mid high, but it doesn’t have to take long and it is much easier than you think. That’s me nugget.

 

Bryn 

Excellent. Hi, Dave. It’s been such a pleasure listening to you.

 

Davey Rowe 

Thanks, man. It’s been an honour. Thank you. And if

 

Bryn 

if somebody’s watching this and they want to find out where you are, yeah, we’re here in the AQ aq

 

Davey Rowe 

aq Wellness Centre? That’s Facebook page or coaching EQ. That’s my coaching business coaching EQ emotional intelligence. Davey rule. I’m on Instagram as well. And EQ Wellness Centre on Instagram. So yeah, you’ll get his eyebrows just cheer up on your podcast.

 

Bryn 

Davey, thank you so much for your time

 

Davey Rowe 

Thank you. But now it’s really a pleasure to be in great. Good conversation. It is. Love this. Yeah, thanks, Bryn.

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