#157 Time to Review Our Relationship with Capitalism – A conscious conversation with Paul Holliday 

I enjoyed a conscious conversation with good friend and previous guest Paul Holliday, creator of the Human Excellence Project.

In a former life Paul was a mortgage broker and he shares his long held concern about the financial system, burdening debt and the systemic failure in the past to deal with the real issue at hand. He suggests it is now time that we have a serious review of our relationship with capitalism in its form.

While the conversation goes further into the impact of the Covid shake up to the world, state of mental health, fake online gurus, drama triangles and much more; time and again the common element that we continue to return to is the impact of capitalism effecting and directing people’s choices and behaviours.

This was a great conversation between two men, both 45, trying to make sense of the world – much like many of us. While it’s serious in parts there’s also a lot of humour as well.

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Bryn 

This week I enjoyed a fantastic conscious conversation with my good friend and previous guests, Paul Holliday creator of the human excellence project.

 

In a former life, Paul was a mortgage broker, he shares his longheld concern about the financial system burdening debt and the systemic failure in the past to deal with the real issues at hand. He suggests it’s now time that we have a serious review of our relationship with capitalism in its current form.

 

While the conversation goes further, covering topics such as the impact of the COVID shake upon the world, the state of mental health, fake online gurus, drama triangles, and much, much, much more time and time and time again, the common element that we continue to return to is the impact of capitalism, sitting behind affecting and directing people’s choices and behaviours, the impact that that has.

 

This was a great conversation between two men, both 45 trying to make sense of the world, much like many of us, and while it’s serious in place, there’s also a lot of humour as well. So enjoy, Paul.

 

Bryn 

Hello, and welcome back to WA Real. I’m your host, Bryn Edwards. This week, we’re going to continue the series of conscious conversations with previous guests as I welcome back, Paul Holliday.

 

Paul, welcome back to WA Real

 

Paul Holliday 

Great to be back. Thanks for having me, mate.

 

Bryn 

You’re very very welcome. We’re back in the scene of the big whiteboard experience a few weeks ago, it’s just pretty pretty Mega.

 

Paul Holliday 

That was, it was indeed.

 

Bryn 

So Paul. What’s been on your mind?

 

Paul Holliday 

Wow. There’s so much going on in the world right now. Where do you begin is that we just said a second ago that so much has happened in 2020. And if you would have picked in 2019 that these events bang bang bang bang. All political all, you know, whether it be to do with health restrictions communication, and it’s put it’s put a lot of people brought more fear to the, to the fore.

 

Paul Holliday 

And we’ve all had to navigate our way through this. And all the world’s going through this in a different way. And I think more so than than ever. We’re, we’re blessed to be here and wha Oh, yeah. Where it’s been. All of it’s been dumbed down. It’s been really light. Yes, fact and I’ve just been, I just feel like we’ve been protected

 

Bryn 

by our isolation.

 

Paul Holliday 

Yeah, exactly. The most isolated city in the world, they say, That’s what they say. And then they close the borders, which makes us even more isolated. And, and here we are, and, again, it’s been it’s I I’m learning more. So now to not get drawn into the fear that this is the beginning of something that of this massive change. The more I listened to, to my mentors, listening to DARPA and the other day, and it inspires me when I listen to people who aren’t affected by this, yes, that only see the good in this, that this is a metamorphosis event, yes of change. And let’s pull out the good things that we are getting to spend time with family. We are getting to spend time in nature, we are being able to look at our health proactively. Yeah, let’s look at that. Let’s not let’s not focus on the whole thing’s collapsing and everyone’s gonna hate each other and Oh, yeah. It’s bizarre. It’s bizarre.

 

Bryn 

What’s been some of the things that have pulled you in from the fair.

 

 

The one thing that’s bad because we’re all human.

 

 

Yeah, we’ll get pulled in.

 

Paul Holliday 

Yeah, one thing that’s that’s pulled me in and it has for years since 2008. And again, it’s because of experience you have life experience is the gold global crashes? That is the money? Yes. Is the the system, the monetary system, the banking system? Because I was a financial advisor for many years back in the UK and we lost everything in 2008. Yeah. With knowing how that played out, and how, in comparison to where we are now, how low the debt was back in 2007 2008 in comparison to today, yes. That threw me in was like, Oh, no, this is going to be so much worse.

 

Bryn 

Because in 2009, we had centrally kicked it down there. Yeah, we kicked the can down the road can down the road. Yeah. And if I’m right and understanding, even 2008 or proceeding that the end of the 90s was, yes, look at the combat. That’s right. We just keep kicking it and kicking it and kicking it. Because, you know, capitalism has to work. That’s how it that’s how we overcame communism and fascism and things like

 

Paul Holliday 

that. It’s constant growth. They’re always saying that we have to have growth, growth, growth, growth, growth comes with growth of debt, you can’t just have growth of, you know, you’ve got these massive billionaires who wait for these events. Yeah. And everyone’s like still, it’s when I listen to some of the experts in the world like someone like Robert Kiyosaki author of rich dad poor dad who’s watched this play out and predicted every single crash yes since the 70s he’s got it all right. I knew this one was coming years ago and I’ve been listening to him for years and waiting for this to come but even still like listening to someone like that to say right when it bottoms out is it there’s you can you can then start buying and yeah then in fact profiting Yeah, so they’re waiting for people like me who lost everything to come in and and swipe on your loss is their game? Yeah. So they pull all their investment money out, wait for this bottom, this suppose it bottom and then they combine and they doubled triple quadruple limb when only

 

Bryn 

exacerbates the situation further because I think one of the things that because what I’ve quite enjoyed doing not in a sick perverted way but it has caused people to get, you know, thinking a bit of anxiety comes with it is is poke people to fit to ask them about or where does money come from? How much money is that? How do you think it all works and the fact that it is predominant it will it is based on a debt based system and the debts this big and the suppliers that peg which means we’re all fucked, starts right?

 

Paul Holliday 

They create debt through our needs to buy things like houses. So again, when you look deep into the monetary system, the banks through fractional reserve lending, create money through our signature

 

Bryn 

through our nice other tight like 10 dollars and turn it into 99.

 

Paul Holliday 

Exactly, exactly. And then it goes on and on and on. It just gets bigger, bigger and bigger. And then when they create the hundred thousand dollars for argument’s sake, then in the future that hundred thousand dollars has to be paid back plus this interest thing that doesn’t exist. Yeah, so it doesn’t exist so you got to go out go out work and from work find the extra money find that extra money on top of the money that you borrowed so you’re going to borrow 100,000 they won’t say argument’s sake 200,000 back. So we’re all playing this game and we’re all fine.

 

Bryn 

We’re trying to find the extra hundred grand and it doesn’t even exist.

 

Paul Holliday 

No, it doesn’t exist it’s never existed. That’s why we’re looking at you know, I read a an article a couple of weeks back saying that they expect that the whole well does in four quadrillion dollars debt 4000 trillion 4000 trillion dollars in debt the whole world That’s called corporate personal. All of it. Yeah, corporate the lot.

 

 

And then the next question is to who exactly

 

Paul Holliday 

what it’s to nobody. It’s a no brainer. But again, you go back to the Federal Reserve’s all these people in the under propping it up and kicking the can down the road. And then what it’s the simple thing for me is when I was doing mortgages back in Liverpool when I started doing mortgage, it was four times your your income, yet borrow. And now now I look back at that, thank God that I actually gave you a chance yet to pay the house off. Yeah, your chance

 

 

during the point during your time,

 

Paul Holliday 

20 years, 25 years that was like you could actually, you could actually buy a house that you could afford. And then over them 25 years, it wouldn’t cripple you to have Hollidays, to have nights out to go for meals to be able yet to be able to buy a nice TV or computer. You know, change the carpets and the furniture every now and again. It gives you the chance To pay it off, to play their game to say that you can retire in the future, and you can have an asset right now, you’ve got in Australia, you’ve got all these people who have been in the industry. And it’s not I was in the industry, so I know what they’re going through. Yeah. When you’re in a, you have to tell everyone that it’s okay. Yes, because you need to pay your bills and you have to feed your kids and they have to pay

 

Bryn 

you you’re in the game as well. You know

 

 

me agnostic from the game.

 

Paul Holliday 

That’s right. And it’s not their fault. I’ve got good friends you Really? Yeah. And I feel sorry for them because I was in it too, in 2008 but then you’ve got to look at deep inside yourself that are you selling the lie? Because you know you’re any

 

Bryn 

and you know, they can

 

 

never pay back they’ll never pay

 

 

never pay it back. And, and and this is a big one, more than likely gonna see a big crush. Because in when I started doing movies about two things or 2004 like

 

Paul Holliday 

four times your income now, eight times your income. And nobody goes right go see a finance advisor and goes, right. I want to borrow as little as I can. Yeah, everyone I know this from experience isn’t hundreds if not thousands of mortgages. Yeah. Everyone says, How much can I borrow? Yes. And then they get say 500,000 they go, I’ve seen a house for 550. Yeah, I can do a bit more I can do a bit more slowly push themselves, they borrow money from elsewhere to get to this, and then they get the mortgage for 550. And the government and the bank sorry, says yeah, you can have that. Then they don’t realise obviously, the mom is going to be different, but you’ve got stamped GC on top of that. Yeah. And then you’ve got your solicitors fees on top of that. Then you’ve got your mortgage fees on top of that. And then you’ve got to pay your water rate and your normal rate and your the other rates and then you’ve got then you’ve got your care and job and then you’ve got to buy your couch or your TV and then you can have a child that you get drawn into that game again, because You can’t have one car because you know both these have got to work to pay the debt off. And then your child that you love daily then gets brought up by these people in a in a childcare centre. Yep. And whatever life they’ve had is then getting fed into your child programming them into the system not you, not you, not the mother of the mother who should be nurturing her, you know, or him whatever it is, then that’s what this this is where it’s at the basic level. Yeah. And and I’ve got so many friends buying houses right now.

 

Bryn 

It’s starting now even sooner than that I find with you know, I was really fortunate enough to go to university and begin to go to university in England when my degree was paid for by the state. I was really lucky. And you know, I had a mouse I went into the master’s degree because for 2000 pounds, or two and a half thousand pounds right now to 9000 pounds right and and Ya know, I took a student loan out at the end of the three years just because it was cheapest money. And you know what I did with it. I went to South America for five months with it. After I graduate, I didn’t actually need it. But it was like, for 1400 pounds, I didn’t have to pay I think I paid off by Thomas 3031 hours. It was not a big imposition on stuff. But, you know, certainly during my time in the corporate consulting space, you’d see these fresh young things come out of university, particularly here in Australia, and they’re like 70 8090 grand in debt,

 

 

the fuck before the start, even before you get into the house game. So that

 

 

you know, the

 

Bryn 

economic slavery or entrapment

 

 

starts at the beginning, it started at the age of 80. And where does it stop?

 

Bryn 

Where could they start would it be by the time you get to 15 because your parents put you in school. You have to pay for school.

 

 

So I and I, and

 

Bryn 

I think

 

 

and,

 

Bryn 

you know, because I’ve thought heavily about this, particularly, you know, we’ve just borrowed a shit tonne of mug money, obviously to do the job keeper on the job finder and this that in the other room. I think it took me a while to work out that

 

 

we borrowed it from

 

Bryn 

the same people who will to pay back the loans that we’ve already got. So the financial institutions that we borrowed the billions of dollars from, is to flush through the system so that the people can still be paid. So we’ve like doubled the debt. Yeah.

 

Paul Holliday 

Just to flush people in debt as well. Yeah. You know, and it’s it’s the lack of education about money and debt. that concerns me is that kids aren’t taught about money and debt and rarely gets to it. I don’t know, again, I believe it is to disempower As human beings, yes to take our power away when you’re in that much debt, you’re slave to the system. You’re slave to the system. So you have to go on working out now are 845 and I’ve played that game. Yep, a number of times buying houses a couple of the first houses made a lot of money on them and that’s what like a buy these houses and get money because right then if it’s going up, that means the next house you bought has already gone up itself. So it’s fake. It’s all fake. The profits that you’re making is just a gain across and then right now, what we’ve got is the government’s then saying we’ll give you 20 up to $70,000 to buy a new house now. And you’re gonna have the same people that in 2007 who were offered that same night it’s a good time to get in now. We’ve got to get the stimulate the economy again. And it’s that same age group just at a different in a different decade. Yep. That have jumped On board is something that’s about to crumble. And these poor people are going to be buying a house thinking that again $70,000 off for it’s fake. If they allowed it if they stop kicking the can down the road and allow it to drop to four times income. Yes. Allow it to drop to the real place that it needs to be and allow all these businesses to and the cream to rise and the the cream always rise all these decent businesses will stay, or the ones that are profiteering off this fake system will go Yep. And then we can start again. Yeah, but we can’t we, um, we have to deal with this debt. I believe we have to deal with it. I think

 

Bryn 

it’s almost it’s almost like, you know, you can look at this in lots of different ways to start off with, you know, we’ve just had the what I call the kroner influence decisions, because when politicians say oh, you know, because because of Corona like, you know, it’s the decisions you make As a result of Corona, which is now so let’s just not abdicate responsibility, and that’s an important part. But to start with you, I have arrived from start, I was like, Well, if people can’t go to work, this just, we’re just gonna get trashed, economy’s gonna get trashed. debt levels are gonna get trashed, you know, and everyone’s like, Oh, you know, the government’s been really benevolent handing money out and they sent the other fucking wallet back. Okay, nobody gives a shit out for free generally, and certainly not institutions like that. So we’re going to be giving it back, you know, in taxes and stuff like that. So, to start with us, I this is just irresponsible. But then I got to another place which is beyond like they are irresponsible. So I’m not giving them a free pass, but in this sort of way, I can only put as a cosmic lens on it. We’ve got to go through the irresponsibility to see the pure futility of it. It’s got to get messy. Because no be one thing I’ve worked about human nature is we don’t we don’t tend to move out of comfort very well. But will will fucking move when our asses are on fire. Yeah. And so the even just the economic part. And you know we could say the same thing for health. Yeah. mental well being emotional well being stuff like that, but this whole thing about

 

 

splitting strikes

 

 

and

 

 

yeah, just the

 

Bryn 

yeah I almost think the politicians for being as inept as they are for making these inept decisions either inept or premeditated and if it’s premeditated for some sort of conspiratorial bad for further insight into the human race and that’s fair enough, but I fundamentally

 

Paul Holliday 

believe in the human spirit. I do too, but I see See, this is a relationship that we’ve got with capitalism, or whatever this system may be. I see it that it’s a 50 year relationship with a capitalist system. Yeah. Right. Now the reason I say that is when you’re in a relationship that’s not working what you want to get out of it. Yeah, break. You want a break from this. And then what happens in a relationship that you want to get out of the at the moment that you want to get out of it? Something happens, it’s costing, it’s the straw that breaks the camel’s back. Yes, right. Now we can blame the Coronavirus. We can blame the banking system. You can blame, you know, right now blended all the money out. We can blame that the first time in human history that we tend to whole planning off. Yes. Everyone’s just turn it off. Then you look at the mental health impact on that we can blame the mental health we can blame the health of people people that the obesity epidemic is we can blame it blame blame, but this has been going on for 50 years since 1971. Yep. And when you look at the the gold standard, get the US Coming off the gold standard. Yep. They then knew that was gonna print whatever they want Richard Nixon and the and the war on drugs Yep. And which is just a war on people the war on on consciousness the war on you know and this has been for decades, every four years we’ve got a new government in it whether it different parts of the world that want to stay in very short periods of time it’s pathetic I know No, no legacy decision and then you’ve got all organisations like the World Health Organisation or the UN. What why what are they doing? What’s going on? We’ve got no we’ve got no elders, no serious elders to fall back on and go this guy’s not lying. That just it’s just so much lies and went now fake news and real news and TV and internet and, and then you got the social media where you’ve got everyone just putting their fear. Listen to my fear, plain fear tennis. fit your tennis Like, there’s my fear and and someone comments underneath but my fear is this because of the perception and the things that they’ve had in their lives. So to me, it’s like, everyone stop and look at the relationship since I’ve been alive. Look at both the whole same period and just got Oh my god, water mass all of that was that these people in Afghanistan or Iraq, they needed to be changed because they weren’t living like Reserve Banks and democracy. Look at the mess look at the mess you’ve created. And we’re just in here trying to pay for our house that we can’t afford. Yeah. It’s a it’s usually a big load a mess. And then I see the beauty. Yes. Bring it back. Bring every stop Gong global. Stop telling iraq what they should be doing or or rerun or anywhere else at the moment. Leave them to do their thing. They know what they do in the habit of doing it. Let’s come back to it to a community level. Something we can impact. Yep, small, local, even within Perth to come to smaller communities smaller hubs that we can interact with and share information. Come back to people you trust. You can see face to face. You know you can feel and this is the empowerment is like the choice when you when you actually feel it you have that choice in the morning you know when when we do what we do. Yeah, jump into the ocean, everyone when it came out was like you know, you can feel alive again, you’re in control of that and you’re around people that are also in control of that, you know, and because I seen a man will walk in the dog yesterday male walking the dog and we were waiting at the roundabout for a Boston around the corner and as it went around the corner, looked at three individuals on the bus They just come from an office. And he’d look awfully to look down. And I was like, No, I’m not saying the jobs the wrong thing. But I was thinking they’ve just come from a job. They’ve walked to a train station or a train. They’ve been on the phone. And that’s my perception of that moment. Yes. And then they go on abortion, and they’re coming home, and then they’re going home. And then they have the dinner and then they go. TV

 

 

goes back to there again.

 

Paul Holliday 

And they haven’t they haven’t. Again, it’s my perception. Yeah. And it could be wrong. The guy could have just, it could have been a completely different thing could could have come from somebody loved. Yeah. But what I felt at that moment was that was that this is this is wrong, and we’ve got a low we’ve got a comment down. And we do that at a community level rather than a global effort, because the reason it’s global is because everyone needs to make more money. Oh,

 

Bryn 

yeah. Grab this and now we’re applauding fucking billionaires have got their own plane and Baggins. bashed over Instagram and Facebook. And it’s on quite a bit like that. Yes.

 

Paul Holliday 

sick of it. I’m looking on there and see if you got Eason and all these McLaren’s and these girls. And it’s all shallow. It’s also fake. I know, because it’s all in here. And they’re showing everything out here. And I know once you reach 40, you’re like, Oh, no,

 

 

doesn’t matter. Doesn’t matter.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, the world, the outside world, the entire world.

 

 

We want to be back. That’s right.

 

Paul Holliday 

That’s right. Because we’re all searching. We just want. We’re all searching for that feeling of peace, feeling of love. The feeling that we’ve got our backs, someone’s got our backs and someone cares for us.

 

Bryn 

And it is interesting. You say that because I had another conversation with Tosh Kelly a couple of weeks ago. And we were discussing how I had this epiphany drop in the middle of the 30 day challenge that she had that what’s more powerful than vicious realising is what I refer to as film realising. Because we, we do things for feeling. Yeah. And our chatting to a guy called Gary last week who is talking about, you know, a future economy based on an exchange of gratitude and exchange of feeling. See, I come around and help you out with something you would genuinely grateful. And you like, feel at home and that’s enough. We’re a long way from that. But yeah, I think one of the one of the things that I find at the moment is as well as you live, you’ve seen the film hyper normalisation, where for those who don’t know hyper normalisation is when you know the current systems fucked, but you don’t know what the alternative is. So you go along blindly with the system that’s fucked. You know, and apparently, you saw those great pictures of people in just before The Wall came down and what they were like in Russia before Russia collapsed. And they’re all you know, but, but a lot of the artists have got to the point of there is no point and stuff like that and I just find it the moment you know, if you if you say to somebody, well, you know, four to five year cycle democracy doesn’t really work condom you know, capitalism doesn’t really work immediately. It’s like, what do you have for communists? So it’s like

 

Paul Holliday 

you’re either one or the other.

 

 

Yeah, we get reduced by reduced absolutely

 

 

no, fucking neither actually. If you don’t support Black Lives Matter, you’re racist. Yeah. What’s going on racist in the slightest. No,

 

 

  1. And oh, um,

 

 

well,

 

Bryn 

while we get stuck in identity stuff, we will all that is that is a solution. You know, like we came up with on the border here before, right. And quite eyesight. You can’t fix a problem with the same mindset. They created the problems. And it while we stay at an identity level trying to fix an identity level problem, we will never fix an identity level. We have to transcend above our identity. And and so

 

Paul Holliday 

it is, but then we’ve got this at play right now we’ve got that in that zone in Seattle. Now the autonomous zone, right? Well, if you haven’t seen it, well, they’ve taken six blocks of Seattle, and it’s been for a week, 10 days now something that they’ve claimed it as their own city. It’s called Chaz. Right. And now they don’t own people. It’s people. Yeah, a group of people took took over. The mayor opened up one of the buildings and they claimed it was the government office or something. Yeah. And now they’ve, they’ve, they’ve put all fences around it, and they’re only they’re not letting people in and out. So then what what I’m seeing from the outside again, is that you’ve got the news stories that will be negative. And then you’ve got the inside stories that are positive. So you’ve got to try and pull through feeling and intuition which parts are true and which parts are hands off. Yeah, you know which parts are going to work and which parts aren’t. And then you’ve got militia inside that are policing it. They don’t want police defund the police. Like there’s the most insane thing you’ve ever had in your life. Yep, it just needs reform, we just need to retrain them. But yeah, we’ve got it now. We can see it. And then what I see what I see when I look at that is, I don’t want to be part of that. As fucked up as this system is, it’s very hard to create a system. Yes. We just need reform of this system. We just need to look about the balls to look at the system and fix the things that don’t work. Yes. Fix the things that don’t serve us. You know, we don’t need to change the whole VAT like polar police. You’ve got to replace it with something else when you call it something else, but it’d be the same thing. We’re a long way of not having police. You can’t do it. You can’t do it. what you’ve got to do is you Got to train the police like they’re like the troops. If you’ve got the navy seals, they’ll get trained 18 months to go on a six month deployment. Yeah. And they will run through every possibility numerous times. And these police in the US, they get two hours training on a specific order. They’ve got all these weapons, and then they’re overweight. You’ve got the massive guys and they can’t handle and they’ve got no no grappling training and all this good stuff. Yeah. And then you’ve got we’ve got massive issues in society, with with individuals education with families staying together with kids grown up without parents. massive problems with that. Yeah, let’s let’s look at Yeah, so we’ve got these people that aren’t in the scenarios where they have to interact with police and police pull weapons out. Yeah, that’s look at the social aspects of humanity baffles

 

Bryn 

me that nobody ever thinks about

 

Paul Holliday 

active we’re always reacting. Yeah. Always reacting to every situation. You know, instead of being a proactive approach and fixing it at the beginning, yep. You know, whether it be through mindfulness, we know meditation, prayer, you know, and I’m not saying religious religious churches not again they failed those centuries.

 

 

Why was they?

 

Paul Holliday 

We are the we are, I believe we are the most powerful creatures in the known universe. Yep. And what differentiates us from any other creature is this mind is this brain is that we can create something Drori thinking of something, draw it and then create it. There’s no other animal can do that. You know, what we’ve done enough down with alcohol with smoking with fast food, with lack of belief, lack of understanding, lack of knowledge, shitty story shitty, constantly constant, you light and I see the Black Lives Matter and you know, it Baquet, you know, I know they’ve been suppressed, but we come. I’ve come from a very poor part of of England. Yeah. Which was also suppressed by Maggie Thatcher and lots of other problems that we had there over the years, was not much different. There’s a lot of shootings and police brutality and all the very similar things. It’s still going on today. If not, it’s worse now than ever. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Is this is and now that we have to fix that we need to look at it, but they need to look at themselves to Yes. Can you blame one part of this the police? It’s the it’s not it’s all of us claims easy, because blame is that you’re bad. And so therefore, I’m inherently good. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

Narrow into this and again, reduced to do duality. If you’re bad. I’m good. Yeah. When, you know, as we know, I am both good and bad. That’s right. I am both equal

 

Paul Holliday 

measures every day every day. You know, victimhood. Yeah. To say, you know, even The black people or the Asians or the or even the palms being here you know the amount of times I was caught up palming playing football and boosted them you know I give it back plenty you know that’s racism in one form or another never took it to heart never cheated on but it was their job to mean but it is a been a victim if you hold on to hate this and I hate to entreated you looking back in your past constantly and not looking forward like okay, pull all the statues down Put trying to erase history. Yeah, it’s happened that And let’s not forget

 

Bryn 

I was having this discussion with my fiance Lucy today. What was what was the job responsibility of the john hurt character in 1984. Oh, go through the news articles and take that out, take his face out and do that that was his responsibility. And now what we do is put in fucking statues now. No Changing the history. You know, what’s the difference between that and me going back towards lotto and going? I meant eight not seven. Give me the 15 million.

 

Paul Holliday 

It’s still there. Whether you pull a statue or not, it’s still happened. Yeah. And it wasn’t all’s, and I don’t agree with it. And I don’t think that we should speak about, like black people in any derogatory way and you look at Blazing Saddles, or any of these movies. It was accepted, then it’s not accepted now. Yeah, you know, unsalted shouldn’t be too. But that doesn’t mean that we just erase it all and forget about it. Let’s learn from it. That wasn’t acceptable wasn’t like segregating the blacks and the whites on the bus stop in the black from drinking from certain fountains. It’s not bloody acceptable. They’re exactly the same as everybody is exactly the same. You know, if anything, what we’ve got to do is go back to these indigenous cultures. And go please teach us how to live on this land. We’re sorry, we are sorry. We are sorry. I haven’t done anything. I personally have never been Anything to do anything bad against any of you? I know what I’m sorry for the worry we have

 

Bryn 

Sorry, I haven’t listened to you earlier.

 

Paul Holliday 

Yes. But if we can bring our kids up to respect the local traditions, the local custodians of this land, and then listen to their, their magic listen to their, their knowing. You know, I had a story a couple weeks back from one of the guys that comes to the swim that the inner children’s prison here in the children’s detention centre where it was called, there’s a section with young as young as 10 year olds that have been brought down from Northern Territories from the north part of, of why, and they’re in prison groups of 10 year olds, because they were on they were they were out with their older cousins, and they were Robin to get money to eat or whatever they were trying to fund. It certainly wasn’t a big mastermind organisation, then they would be caught. I’ve got no facilities or They’re they put them on a plane and they bring them down here and he’s been in and seen them they’re in there they’re in they’re in. This is today 2020

 

 

Yeah. What’s going on?

 

Paul Holliday 

It’s insane. And then what we go look at is they don’t want to live that way. No, you know, but it’s the respect of the land the respect where we are it’s it’s it’s not even their land they’ll say it’s not their land they we all just borrow it for the short time that we’re here the walk on it, we walk on it, but while we’re here, let’s land often less land off them people just bring them to the front. Let’s give them a solid Sam what happens with the mining? Yeah.

 

 

Real blow in the

 

Paul Holliday 

finger with you. That’s a was insane. It’s just again, he raised in history to financial gain. Yeah, they even the guys were saying that they’ve got these hills. They’ve got these mounds of North like ballroom they’ve got and they follow I know what they do is because we’re all driving past them. They hollow it out. Yeah, like, from above, you can see it’s just a hollow they right? So the whole facade of God, they just they just tell never wants to learn. It’s not there, it’s gone.

 

 

Well, this

 

 

also we can build more things and

 

Bryn 

because we need to consume because we’ve got Yang because we’re driven by that capitalist system, right,

 

Paul Holliday 

which is a shitty relationship. So what are we gonna do? Well, you know, the main is like, we can talk about all the issues.

 

Bryn 

I think the very first thing and I know it sounds really subtle and could be so easily overlooked. But I think the first thing is, is that we have to deeply you know, always outloud, I acknowledge, I live in a world where these things happen. Right. And some of them are really untied. Yes, I live in a world where there’s some really nice things but I live in a world where they’re really untidy. You know, I watched I watched a bit in the news recently and they they had a bit of code coverage of, of what was kicking off in in Minneapolis in New York. And then they cut back to the anchor here in, in Australia, and he’s just sitting that guy. It’s utter madness. I don’t get it. Yeah. It’s like, Whoa, dude. Like, you live in a world where this happens, right? So by saying, Oh, it’s utter madness, then you you give everybody who’s watching that show. a free pass to go, yes. Fucking madness. I think when really, you know, this whole, we’re all in it together. Right? We know, but we really are. We really are on a level that most people don’t even think about. And I think just to acknowledge means that you’re in agreement that I live in a place where this actually happens. It’s like when you have that epiphany within yourself, like the end of a shitty story comes to an end because you’ve hurt yourself broken up with a relationship been fired from a job or whatever and you suddenly go This is real. This is really, really hard. I mean it, I acknowledge that this is happening soon as you acknowledge something, and we can start going into it. Because if, if we still try to remedy a situation from a place of bad,

 

 

this is good.

 

Bryn 

You know, it’s like trying to navigate through the rest of your life pretending you’ve not got a fucking shadow. Yeah, that’s right. That’s right. So, for me, one of the biggest things is just to acknowledge it.

 

 

Then from there, yeah, I don’t know.

 

Paul Holliday 

Yeah, we do have to own it. We do have to own that there’s lots of problems to fix the problem. Again, if I’m seeing anything in 20, the years leading up to 2020 the talk was all the 99% v the 1%. You know, it was all that it was all like this 1% owns significant amounts of the world’s wealth, not that they needed for we don’t know what the saving For some things we’ve saving to buy another planet or something, I don’t know. But I know it was all so it was it was AWS as the 99%. Knowing that these corporate media and these corporations and the high end governments are making decisions to, to keep us in poor, that we have to constantly battle through life, which creates all these problems that we have. Then 2020 comes in, and all these things happen. economic health, education, the whole lot happened across the world. what is done is that the 99% of us that were one team, yeah now 99 teams of 1%. Yes. So now we’re all fighting each other. It’s like the divide the racial divide, and blacks, eight whites, there’s all the jumping on people and stamp it on the head, like what are you doing? What are you doing is poor v. Paul. It’s rich, the poor it’s white, the black it’s, it’s, you know, yeah. You know, we sporting against everyone. You’re against everyone’s against you. And what we’re going to do is take a big collective deep breath and go No, no, no, no, no, we are one team.

 

 

Yes.

 

Paul Holliday 

Doesn’t matter where you’re from. Yeah, we’ve all got to, we’ve all got to do

 

Bryn 

that man on the street. Yeah. Or the policeman? Yes. Or the mayor in the office, because he’s not gonna be part of the 1%. And yeah, we’re all in

 

Paul Holliday 

then it comes down to it comes down to one thing, rarely, a couple of things will go for one, tell the truth. And then you come back to that. Nothing you said earlier, that we can have an exchange of gratitude. Maybe we can have an exchange of gratitude can be touched, someone told me the truth. And when you go on a spiritual journey and awakening you, you get your awareness comes to a place where your intuition knows when someone’s telling you the truth, because this space suit that we’re doing life in, gives us all feelings and all these emotions and all this amazing tastes and sight and hear and sounds. And if you really tune into this suit, your intuition will always tell you that gut instinct will always tell you what the right thing the right, like the right thing to do it, the right person to listen to the right person to trust, you know, and we’ve got to have courage them to tell the truth also, you know, and that brings us together and brings us together and all these different movements that we’ve got in path. I believe, you know, this this thing that I started the human excellence project. It was intuitive that was that came from it. It was something that when we look at channelling or whether we look at my dad passed away, and I was upset, you know, and I knew I didn’t want to do what I was doing a new attitude change and a new attr. Try and empower others to feel better. To be alive to enjoy this game. Yep. So I wrote them wears down the human excellence project and, and from that this things happened. So it comes back to that this brains thought of something, wrote it down, created something and move forward. And from that there’s offshoots that have happened. All these different people have come down and go, Wow, that works. And I want to put my twist on it. And they were done. They start doing their thing and, and me learning how to play this game. And I was like, we’ve got to just all collectively come together and go, listen, you’re all doing amazing things. Everyone’s doing amazing things. You’ve been at David Rose today. Yeah, he’s created amazing. I’m not against him. He’s not against me mean him and brothers together. He’s doing amazing work for men. Yeah, you know, and there’s passion. There’s genre and these are the amazing ladies. And, you know, Suzy and all the people doing Women’s circles and different levels of spiritual growth. That’s all stick together. Yeah, just stick together and sharing and build this community where we can help one another. That’s what I believe we need to do. It’s really coming together. It is as simple as that. Always the simple things is soon as we complicate it, people get complicated by how much do you think that

 

Bryn 

the 1% controlling the 99% externally also represent what goes on internally as well. Because you’re saying earlier on about how you know, we are these amazing beings that have the ability to create and this than the other

 

 

yet

 

Bryn 

it can sometimes just be that smallest 1% of thoughts and limiting beliefs that just goes

 

Paul Holliday 

now, you’re not going anywhere. Exactly. That’s the awareness again, that’s the awareness is like I sat in that for Monday and Tuesday. I think Saturday night and allowed that I allowed this specific thought process to run through my mind and it disempowers you, your shoulders come forward you walking around and you become a victim to your own circumstances you choosing that and and it’s only by taking a deep breath and then standing up straight walking on. No, I don’t want to feel like that. I want to feel like this. And it’s a choice. And then when you change that whole, you change that home mannerisms and how you stand and how you talk and even even if a lot of it’s fake, yeah, even if it is a front is like I know I’m happy. You can change that physiology and and people seeing go how we, you know, I got the shit going on, but I’m alright. Yeah. And you can change you can stand up and walk straight. People want to be around that they want to be around comfort. They want to be around strength, especially as men. You want to be a man. You want to be a man you want to stand up straight and shit happens to all of us all the time. You know, he’s only talking about it, but still the kingdom, your mind, your subconscious mind is don’t allow your brain to go back to that. And your awareness. That’s what depression or anxiety and suicidal thoughts live is that repetitive thought pattern bringing you back down was what is the use? Why am I doing this? It’s repetitive it’s gone round and round in circles. And it’s just boring. You do that for too long. Funny enough, so you choose to the choice now I’m not thinking that I do this. I said this the other day somebody like I was listening to I think it was done the party or one of one of them spiritual teachers and how’d you wake up? How’d you actually wake up? It might have been Jay Shetty, actually. And he was saying that the the monks when they teach the kids To teach them to wake up, there’s actually a way to wake up from sleep in the morning sleeping, as as you come out of sleep. You come from an unconscious state, and you’re coming into a conscious state and you start off in theta. Yep, your brain so you got a half an hour periods where your brain is in hypnosis where you’ve got the best ideas the best and you’ve got this moment but depends on what mindset you’re in because if you shift mindset you’ll go into thinking bad you’re in a good mindset as soon as you become if you pick one of these things up and

 

Bryn 

fucking scrolling, but

 

Paul Holliday 

that’s not your thoughts anymore. You’re gonna get influenced by something else. Yeah. And and it’s it was the Sufi What’s he called? The poet. I remember his name. He said, don’t go back to sleep. The morning breeze has secrets to tell you. You know, and this has gone through time and it’s saying that this is a special time of the day where where consciousness as a whole There’s all these secrets and beautiful things flying around. And if you can just wake up, don’t wake up, and then listen, have a pen and write new ideas. Yes, you’re in the half an hour period where you’re going to come up with the most

 

Bryn 

resources so that that mix of your melatonin levels are just starting to carry down. Sleep. And you serotonins just about starts a little bit of awakeness Yeah, not too much. Because you still

 

 

here in the fall you hit that alpha beta. Yeah, for you hit then you have to Yeah, if you can be careful of loud noises.

 

Bryn 

LED lights. Yeah, shit like that.

 

 

And I think one of the best investments

 

Bryn 

I’ve bought was about a Philips alarm. And it’s actually for deaf people. So you stick to the pillow and it just vibrates. Yeah, so there’s no noise has

 

Paul Holliday 

to feel free. Yeah. That’s right. Yeah, well, I run through this process. So I’ve got this sleep cycle alarm, and it’s Really to really start off really nice quiet. Wait you really slow and it monitors your sleep like your ring does like the aura ring. Yeah. And then this I’ve trained myself over the last couple of years is as I become conscious is to go straight into being grateful. Yeah, two thirds of the world wake up on debt. They wake up without a bed. They’re awake enough. I’m comfortable. I’m sitting here in this. I’ve got this foam mattress me that’s on the next level next level. No, and then we’ve got my pillows so comfy now I’ve got a blanket a heated blanket. Oh man. I’m just like instantly comments and gratitude. I Oh, wow. This is so comfy. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for Yeah, for me getting the chance to run this game this life. Yeah, I’ve got in this comfort.

 

Bryn 

lie there in what I refer to as perfect cosy. Yeah.

 

Paul Holliday 

Perfect goes gozi I’m sitting there. I’m laying there next to the woman. I love When Mel and I look over and even just touch, just put your foot on Earth. Yeah, just the simplest thing is just be grateful. And just to run through all the Grateful for the kids health, the things that happen in for the food and just thank you, thank you, thank you, you know and just run through that. Yeah Then just sit back and he you know and then just enjoy the the thought patterns that come through with what’s happening in the day what’s about to happen? And then try and visualise How do I want it to play out? Because if we can think things right and down to create anything, what’s stopping us doing that thought pattern anyway? Let’s think a great body day. Yeah. And only do a day. But even if you think of the future, it’s happening in the now. Yeah. So you can create the future by by focusing in the moment, you know, because we only have the now don’t mean we know that date. You know, and this is this is what I mean in the combat it was as powerful human beings as powerful beings.

 

Bryn 

It’s interested in the whole You only have the now because I this fantastic. This is probably a really subtle experience but it. So last year alone I was introduced in how to tremor, right? And so what I found myself doing was I would set, set the countdown timer for 10 minutes, and then I’ll sit, sit the chair just still meditate or just just be still for 10 minutes, right? And when I would start to routinely find that sometimes I would do the meditation first and the tremor or whatever. But when I started finding was, you know, when you set your alarm and you sit if 10 minutes and then we go off somewhere, then you always come back, like just a couple of seconds before the alarm goes off. And you’re like, Oh, yeah, play when you do tremoring which is bodywork letting out never ever do you stop it does it come to an end just in time for the alarm. It’s still fucking going And Eli is gone. And then the penny dropped for me. Time only exists in the mind does not exist in the body, which is why things get trapped in it. But it’s just yeah, it was just fascinating that little experience to actually experience war time actually only exists up here. It doesn’t exist in here. This really isn’t interested in time. It just does things and and that’s why a lot of you know for anybody’s works like the emotion film or stuff like that. You can have intense emotions trapped into muscles and fatter and stuff like that in your body, which may have been from when you were two years old. Yeah. But it still carries the tension in the muscle despite the fact you’ve grown because your minds moved on to a new place in time and this is still left that you carry it with you trauma. The other thing I want to talk to you about because I thought this would be fun to bring up on the podcast because it’s so We’ve been talking about recently fake gurus

 

 

on the internet.

 

Bryn 

So I, you know, I’ve had a number of chats on the phone about this because you like myself being caught up in that world of what goes on on the internet and

 

 

at and.

 

Bryn 

And just to set the scene for this podcast I, I think the intro to my crumbling in the fake guru world was, as everybody knows it’s called wi rail and it’s sort of birth from London rail and I started to watch what Brian Rose is doing with Linda Rainer signing to the point where I was wondering whether I should change the name of this and then decided not to. And then I looked, I’ve actually had an insight in side his business a couple years ago when I sort of coached on one of his courses. And then I started to see this and a few other things and I started to become, things started to crumble and I started Go. He’s these people that I’ve never

 

 

actually met

 

Bryn 

never actually done this with them never been able to touch them or look them in the eye and now have placed you know, I’ve built layers of identity based on watching this video and now they’re doing strange and, and it just seemed to go. In fact, if I’m honest, this probably started towards the end of last year when I went to see Do you know the comedian Jonathan pie? Yes. So I went to see him here in Western Australia. And when I came home, I said to Lucy, she goes, she enjoys it. Yeah, it’s really cool because I actually got to see the man live. Who I find really funny on my phone. Usually I got it on the stereo while I’m driving somewhere. And so there’s these people out there that are poor. trying these things and how with the advent of basic Instagram and pictures where you get such a little slither of this, yeah, second in time, but then with the, the sponsorship, and the video, and especially the advertising and the videos, and the YouTube videos, and the YouTube sponsored videos and the things that on Facebook to do to do to and I think one of the things I was really interested in you really helped me with this is recognising that as so often the case, I myself was running a story story that was born out that 2018 somewhere where I was like fed up have not got enough money to do this, this and this. And I was caught in an embarrassed spot where short of some money and I needed to do something. I was embarrassed. I’m like, this is not happening. So then I went out to the world and then there’s always like I had this fertile bed. These messages started to come in and grab and take me and it’s it’s not that you’re not a smart person. It’s just where are you in life? Again, set within our relationship with capitalism. Yeah. And rats running after the money, get the money, other money and all of a sudden someone’s got not

 

 

enough

 

Bryn 

money enough to get the money and then all of a sudden you’ve got you’ve got these dudes that are coming out and they’re saying, Hey, I managed to make half a million dollars in passive income. Okay, in three months, yeah. Now, you know, every time I wake up in the morning, I’ve just made fucking two grand dude ism with my fucking Apple laptop next to the fucking Paul and barley. And Eli, bought the absolute fuck and then, you know, I think the tipping point is when you sent me that might win it video, right? It’s like just looked at the formula of the fake guru. And,

 

Paul Holliday 

yeah, it’s just and it’s not again, like even when I watch Mike when it And is contra foreigner formula. Not really hit me hard when I watched that because I was I was on a course with a guy called Zander fryer. And again, I met Zander fryer online, he seemed like the right guru for me. Yeah. And the cost elements of it is about nine and a half thousand dollars, something like that.

 

Bryn 

And I went through

 

 

as you as you bring these Did you have the nine and a half

 

Bryn 

thousand dollars at the time? I didn’t know didn’t have to pay I put on a payment plan. So you wanted to have $95,000 or $950,000? Yeah,

 

Paul Holliday 

it was the it was a six figure coach. Yeah, it was a six figure coach. I was looking for an individual that I could feel because I’d already done a course with an organisation called thought leaders on based over in Sydney, and they were incredible. That was like, it was cheap. That one was a couple of grand. Yeah, one and a half, two grand. And but again, you went through application process but it was legit. It was about you it wasn’t a sales there’s no sales process. Yeah, it was like this is what we do and this is you know and if you want to there was no set I didn’t get sold it yet. It was like something that they just said if you want to go on it and this is where we begin at the at this at this level, but with with Zander It was a hard sell. And I was already sold because I needed I was desperate yet at the time and I needed to become the thing that coach I wanted to become the coach with my life experiences that I’ve got in finance, in business and in life itself. In starting this thought I’ve got something to sell.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. So I need some help. I need some help.

 

Paul Holliday 

process. I want to do this. I didn’t have a process didn’t know how to do it. And and then I got on a phone call with a beautiful guy, this capital his name was and then he he went through their process. He he went through their sales process that I was going to be doing taught. And it was the pain points again. There’s like it’s taken me into Yeah, what happens if you don’t do this? How does that look? How does your family and how to pain pain pain? Yeah.

 

Bryn 

Stoke up the emotion? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. get you through an anxiety.

 

Paul Holliday 

Yes. And then and then bang, you make the sale and I put it over a period of time. I didn’t put it in a lump lump sum because didn’t have the money. Yeah. And then and then I started processing the metal. I met Sandra online, beautiful, beautiful guy. I honestly believe in having the means. Well, I think they all do I honestly believe deep down. Yep. They all every one of them means bloody well. And they want you to do well, I believe that. But this formula is formulas real and they don’t know it’s 997 and 4914. You know, the seven or the four or whatever it is. And the and it’s all that is you know, it comes back to how the brain works and how as a human being Yeah, you know, and then I paid for it. And I paid it and paid the first lump sum of $3,000 or whatever it was. And then I started the course when through the videos and then the weekly meetup where you’ve got 20 people on a course that of all everyone a paid the same, just on the 10 grand everyone. Yeah $200,000 on this eight weeks to come on, and he needs to two grand for a video course. Yep. was in it. And it was an I was creating my course as I’m doing it. And I’m trying to look for this niche niche thing that you’ve got a niche, you’ve got to be this. You’ve got to wake up, you got to go through these processes, and you got to do it. And I’m doing it because I’m me. And the type of guy who sticks on Yeah, likes to learn wants to do the thing. And I got to the stage because I bang through the eight week course in like, two weeks.

 

 

Why did they wait to read I got to the stage of the sales part of it.

 

Paul Holliday 

And I listened to the videos and it was like this is how you do it. And I’ll never forget man Listen to this video of this, of this sales call, and he’ll get them this young get this young girl hooked. And they went through a pain points and I could I was visualising in my mind and I could see this girl and she couldn’t afford it. And they were telling us she’s going to be the sixth coach and and it got me and they she never had the money. And I think on the video, they got a credit, a credit card. She had kids and every single parent and they made it pay for it there and then I was like, I can’t do this. I can’t do this because I’m just not me. But girl shouldn’t be going on this course is not the right course for she’s not the right person. She should be going get away from a job or a normal job. You know, it’s like and that’s okay. Yeah, and that’s probably okay. You don’t have to be a coach and it’s so coach it costs for five grand copied, you shouldn’t have to not the answer. And I got Melinda went Listen to this. We both listened to it and I’m like, No, I can’t do this. This is wrong. Yeah, this is some things that people are shouldn’t be doing it and he’s got a multitude of all these coaches all over the world. And if they fail, it’s their fault. They haven’t done the work. Yeah, if you can’t do it, you thought you were gonna labour This is so wrong. So I cancelled the course. And then for two days, as soon as I cancelled the PayPal, I got a text message of Zander and you don’t hear from him. You know, I mean, he’s like the guru. You don’t get to speak to him. You got to speak to his team. Is everything okay, Paul, what’s going on? I was sitting in this time thinking I can’t do this on me, you know, like shit. And then a day went by and he got another one and you know, come on, speak to me what’s going on? And on the third day, because I’d wrote all these messages back and deleted them, deleted them and deleted I was like, I was taking all my time off and my all my emotions and then my emotions and energy and everything, and then a third day comment. And I was like, no, what am I doing right and trying to write text or an email. Back to this guy. And I just I just wrote in the text call me now. Zoom call me now. I need to speak to under or speak to you face to face. Anyway too busy. I’m like okay, well whenever you free zoom call me the messages there. Zoom call me I need to speak to I want to tell you face to face what I believe you know because the videos that you’re doing in first class on a on a plane Joan everyone that this is what they can have or outside that million dollar house walking down the beach. This is what it’s not the frickin answer. No, it’s not the answer. The answer is inside to you. And it’s playing on that game of capitalism that external yes stuff, but I wanted to tell him honestly and I hopefully one day he’s a he’s a beautiful guy. It means well, you know, but I’ve been on I’ve been sitting there and I’m just 20 people on a call one time and there’s this guy in Mexico and he was In a cafe, and you could just see the thing that he was trying to sell, shouldn’t need any shouldn’t be to me. And I actually sent the guy an email when he was on the course. So I sent him an email when

 

 

you should be doing something else.

 

Paul Holliday 

where I’m sitting here for an hour and a half on a phone call, listen to a guy who shouldn’t be on the course yet. You know, the funnel? Yeah. And I was like, say, and it really hurt that. Yeah, it really hurt me and it really put me into a place and I watched for the contractor formula and I was like, right okay, what do I want to do? How am I gonna do this? Yeah, and you know what it comes down to? Is that where their value? Yeah. You need to feel that what you’re giving them money for you’re getting value for it. Because I didn’t know the course with Aubrey Marcus did his mastermind 12 years mastermind and I pulled out after a month because I realised again, and I look back at the patterns of these costs have been on And the reasonable though is that there’s

 

 

no value. There’s no there’s no this What am I gonna get what the product is?

 

 

It doesn’t exist for a handful of videos.

 

Paul Holliday 

Yeah, it doesn’t exist. And I know Tony Robbins is a friend of mine went and done a Tony Robbins and become a Tony Robbins coach. And it was 40 hours of videos of Tony in the 80s or whatever it was 80s 90s Come on, Tony. You can your billionaire, you

 

 

don’t need more. Don’t need to do it.

 

Paul Holliday 

Yeah. You know, and then I’ve seen I’ve even seen, like success resources. You know, putting these these shows on where you get these fake gurus coming on and it’s cringe worthy. And at the end of it, you got to buy the course and then you’re not enough if you don’t and then they put fake people in there to do it at these big events. And all of it is just like right. No, no, I believe, I believe to get value out of me because I’m doing courses now. Bye During the face to face, it’s your hands on. Yep. Eye to eye. And during the World Energy is you said at the beginning, we’re exchanging energy. Yes. The exchange, there is a monetary exchange that is low yet in comparison, but then it’s an exchange of energy. Yeah. And that’s what every relationship that we have in our lives is an exchange. Yeah. has to be has to be monetary, has to be knowledge has to be energy has to you we have to have the balance in relationships. You give me as much as I give you. Yeah, as soon as this balance if someone’s got knowledge that you require, like, I did call business in a box, and I put that down to I put that one down to me getting plugged into the matrix and Carl given me his information, yeah, over two days, more like bloody I would never been able to know the things I got. I got value from that. Yep, I got value from that I walked away and went, yes, there was value there. I got that. I’ve come away with the skills. I’ve come away with the product. I’ve come away with some you’re in the room with Kanye in the room with him.

 

 

Just being at the beach with him. Like

 

Paul Holliday 

that’s, that’s it? Yeah. And then and this is what I’m coming back to again, we were going for a second ago, but I think

 

 

global against community local, yep.

 

Paul Holliday 

Bring them bringing everyone into a room and being able to feel the truth. Rather than looking at a video in someone’s hands, you close your eyes and deep breathing doesn’t work, though. You can pretend it does, and it will work to the wrong person. But the real value is this. Yes. real values sitting there being able to touch somebody being able to feel that

 

 

you are within the I thought how tourists see an arm in your eyes for tourists.

 

 

Where

 

 

we call bullshit. You can call bullshit you can feel it. You mean even

 

Paul Holliday 

I know even with this is great. But even when I’m on the phone to you and you’re in the same city, yet talking within the same timezone and everything that’s the same, you can still get that. Yeah, as soon as you go further afield you lose that because it’s dumbed off with the distance between us is dumbed off this this with our intuitions our you know, you think somebody will phone you. It’s delayed. There’s a slight delay niche, whereas here it’s it’s instantaneous, Tom, you know, and being able to another thing I’m laying off Dr. Pan is a online courses and everything I’ve been on with Zander and with Aubrey Marcus with thought leaders. I learned so much have each of them. And I’m grateful for them. Oh, I’m grateful for the lessons that I’ve learned. And I’m not a victim to the system that put me through that. I am not. I learned from that I became I was very similar experience is one of my earlier guests

 

Bryn 

from wy real. So I mentioned where I went into his life course with it. Within 10 days, I was like, No, I’m paying, I’m paying a lot of money for being in a Facebook group. And yet, but I learned so much from that small period enough to go, Oh, this is how this this this works. And then but I also know that that doesn’t, and like I think the other bit and I don’t know whether it’s because that’s where I’m just where my journeys leading at the moment is that and this, you know, a lot of what we just talked about in terms of fashion. gurus will be all you know the context is set within the capitalist system. And and and what we were talking about earlier on whereby the debt and we need to be doing more like, I have this picture of like rats or jumping over one another trying to get to the next dollar and the next dollar and dah dah dah dah dah. And to me there’s almost been this awakening for me of truly, like, I knew what the capitalist system was about. But now I can know what the company and where we going. And the fact that there is going to be more chaos, because it’s just inevitable. Anyway, no, no, it’s no, it’s like, well, if we do avoid it, it’s only because we just kicked it out of town for another five years. But you know, Western. Yeah, yeah. And it’s pretty fuckin atomic already. And so it’s almost be beyond that. And then To the stuff that we were talking about earlier on, like, the true value the true. Yeah. Meaning an essence of life is your connection with yourself into something bigger than that. And so now I find my conversations are drawn to a much deeper level. And I talk to all sorts of people who have faith in things that are bigger than themselves things that you can’t see can’t touch can’t quite hear maybe not smell, maybe not taste, but it’s it is there. And that is beyond

 

 

this

 

Paul Holliday 

Catholic it is it’s it’s again, though, it’s coming back into the human experience is we’re trying to buy a human experience or or we’re trying to live a human experience. Because we have everything we have a need. We have it all. Yeah, you’re already enough everyone to constantly saying it. But when you’re trying to use are not enough and I need that. And once I’ve got this certificate, or I’ve got then I can do, then I can be the person I want to be. And we’re in I believe we’re in a bubble. If when Yeah, Allah says, we’re in this global coaching bubble,

 

 

and

 

Paul Holliday 

all these people who are starting these mass courses, it’s mass, it’s the mass ones that don’t get Yeah. It’s like how many coaches do we need? Like you? I’ve got another coach for every single element. What What was that? And then what as a comeback to a comeback to write and I wish that someone would have come to me years ago, because I would have saved hundreds of thousands of dollars of wasted money and spent money. Yep. And said, your jobs enough, doing just just changing mindset towards the job, change the job environment that you’re in. Yeah. And that’s okay. Because whether you’re doing coaching, you still got to put effort into something. Yeah. And it’s so difficult as to be this coach this life coach, life coach is the craziest one. I don’t

 

 

know what that is. No, yeah. You know, like, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna fix my lap my whole life a cook?

 

Bryn 

Because it’s stereotypical but you know if I’m gonna get a life coach I want him to be so the levitating with a big white beard.

 

Paul Holliday 

that’s a that’s a proper guru. That’s when you want to be sitting with with the likes of

 

 

Sadhguru. Yeah, you know that type of? Yeah. Whoo. Hi, oh, something’s got lived experience.

 

Bryn 

I think what we’re really talking about and it’s funny because I’ve always tinkered with the idea of coaching, but the word coach never sat, right. It’s always like,

 

Paul Holliday 

we’ll meet co Explorer. Yeah, like, let’s come and explore together. Let’s go and experience. What we do is what we’re doing right now. Yeah. What you and I They have a law I think that’s what we do with with all the people who push themselves to the point to become like gems within the thing that I it’s, it’s it is you make the phone call and you go, wow what’s going on in your life and, oh, this isn’t and it’s incredible to actually be around people who are who are exploring their life experience. I think it just dawned on me is

 

Bryn 

we, you know, we, we had a discussion earlier on about, you know how the victim space space has almost become pathological. And I’ve, I found myself turned to my old man recently I said, Ah, it’s like the fucking acceptance of victimhood is like the cancer in our society at times. But then, we’ve also got this abundance of people who want to be life coaches, which are helpers. Now, I’m writing this on the pad here. That’s, that’s two parts of a three triangle which is otherwise known as Is the drama triangle, the Helper, the victim. And then the third one is the persecutor. And it strikes me that we’re getting played into a lot of drama triangles, where and you know about the drama triangle way, you come in, you get pulled in, someone helps you and then you don’t receive that you don’t take their help. So then they switch you into, they switch into the victim and you’re the person in my fucking house and you leave it going. There just shows me there’s, you know, there’s a big acceptance of the victim space. There’s a big, there’s a big Oh, well, I want to be a helper. And I know people do. But sometimes I don’t know, for interest in your point of view. They want to help others at the expense of helping themselves.

 

Paul Holliday 

Exactly. I think they all mean well. And this is the beauty of it. Although I think this is the global awakening and maybe 2012 when we thought the planet was ending. That was the start of the Global awakening, right and you’ve got everybody’s vibration change and that they do want to be the generally they need to help. Yeah but at the same time they need to pay the bills. And they’ve left the job to pay for the course to go and do the thing to get the certificates, NLP hypnosis, all these things like when I’ve got that I mean off Yes, but they they’re so limited in their knowledge of it that when the when they sit across the table that appears and the person knows, yeah, oh my god, this guy, this person doesn’t really know what to do. And if you want to do something to a higher level, you’re going to go into the master’s degree. And you’re going to do 234 years of delving into a specific subject so that at the end of it, you’ve got the knowledge, the vocabulary to be able to just let go. And that that’s the difference between these courses that people are going on, and a true real course. A true real masters in psychology. A friend of mine and I travelled once with Chris power, was a stage hypnotist We trained for years. It’s become a hypnotist years, four years, five years, if not more. Yeah, to get to the level where. And you knew when you sat down with Chris It was like,

 

 

Wow.

 

Paul Holliday 

I didn’t believe any of it. Yeah, I didn’t. I was like, No, you’re not going to get me. Next thing I’m he’s put me against the two chairs back to back people sitting on the chairs and he’s got me laid across them from the back of my head to my heel. He has put bags on top of me.

 

Bryn 

And I feel like a plank,

 

Paul Holliday 

you just like a solid plank. And then he videoed it to show that you actually did it. And I was like, wow, there’s levels to to all this. And this is what we’re going to get to the authenticity is when you believe when you believe that you can do something as one level. When other people believe you because of your life experience. It heightens your belief in YouTube. Yes, you know, and then other people will trust Your authenticity, your your authentic way of being able to speak about whatever it is, because you’ve lived, you’ve walked the walk, you’ve made the mistakes. You’ve got to do that. Because when you finish your coaching course, whether it be a life coaching course, whatever it is, you’ve got no experience. You’ve not caught up yet. You’re gonna have to do two to five years of running a job carrying a job because you got to pay your bills and free coaching. Yep, free and not being like,

 

 

weird.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, you gotta you got to just learn your trade, but you got to go and navigate life, because you got to pick up that experience, too,

 

 

of course, and you got to have life experience. You can’t do 22

 

 

I’ve come to 22 whatever that is. Yeah, you can have some grey, you know, some mistakes.

 

 

Play experience, some pop ups. You can have some failures, you gotta have some deaths.

 

 

You got that’s where Yeah, that’s where

 

Bryn 

you’ve got you’ve had to sit in the I don’t know. Did the story drop in the Abyss? Who the fuck am I go through the existential crisis that we talked about and

 

Paul Holliday 

how many existential crisis have gone on now? Yeah, I spoke to a real good friend of mine who I travel with years ago on the weekend and he put up a post on Facebook that I woke up on Sunday morning early. And I was like, right I’m gonna leave now I need to ring him because he was really vulnerable. Yes, post was. I’ve had enough can’t do can’t cope anymore. And he’s back in Liverpool. Yeah, I was like, right wrong him straightaway. And he was in his major crisis. Yeah, ages, businesses gone on there. He’s lost. Messages left everything. What was the use? liberals employed him with violence and stabbings and all kinds. And he just needed to listen. Do you need to vent? Get off me to tell somebody? Yeah, he did. Just get it out. To remain in am from the other side. Well gone. Speak to me. Yeah. Tell me what’s going on. Tell me and then and then alcohol. Gotta get off the drink. Paul, like me, if you’ve spoke to me for half an hour telling me that the system is broke, and you’re doing the drug that the system allows you to do, which is gonna suck you up. And it makes you depressed and it brings you down and it leaves you wait, you’ve got all the weight, putting all the weight on you doing the trope that the thing is telling you to do is like, stop it now.

 

 

You know,

 

 

like we have to land look around at the things that have worked and the things that haven’t, and follow the people are getting it right. Follow them stop following the people have got it wrong.

 

 

People have got it wrong, I know.

 

Paul Holliday 

And then it’s like the fake guru swapped the fake room for real one, like Richard Grandin. If you’ve not listened to Richie grant,

 

 

listen to him.

 

Paul Holliday 

Listen to Richard grant. He listened to Richie grant and began and for a number of reasons like Richard Richard, he does his courses and it was through sports and life coach. Yep, and then

 

 

like $20

 

 

Yeah, I bought an audio book cover For 20 bucks,

 

 

yeah, he’s not any, is any simpatico and he specialises

 

 

in specific, vulnerable as well

 

Paul Holliday 

and he will go out and he will put himself and he went and did Iosco and he didn’t have the great experience. He went to the wrong place at an awful experience. But he went and did he went to put himself in there to go and do it. You know, and he’s got his bought and he again, he seems to be surround himself with the right people to keep himself keep him in check. But he’s authentic, you know, that when you listen to him? Yes, your demeanour is is really genuine and what he’s saying you know, and I’m and I share his videos with the people that around me that I

 

 

need to hear at the

 

Bryn 

time and as a having been a victim of narcissistic abuse myself, he just was just gold.

 

 

He’s absolute gold who narcissism

 

Paul Holliday 

you know, but then we all we all know. narcissistic.

 

 

Just the level. So yeah. I think we Much covered the world well,

 

Paul Holliday 

we could you know what I really want to again my I always have to come back is like what are we going to do is all right coming up and tell everyone that the world the world’s fucked and we’ve got all these problems and we got racist issues and we’ve got police issues and we’ve got government issues and debt issues in school and issues education, like what are we gonna do? What what are we actually going to do as a society as a group of people? What are we actually going to do? You know, because it’s better to have a plan and not need it than to need a plan and not have it yet. It’s really important that we put a plan in place. And I honestly believe now that everyone needs to just come together. We’re not against each other. I’m not against black lives matter. I’m not against the guru down in Stan se doing women’s circles or men’s circles or not. We all need to collectively come together and well, I don’t know. I don’t know what vent needs to happen. But I believe that We need to all collectively Take a deep breath. Stop pointing fingers. As my dad said, when you point fingers, these three fingers are pointing right back in, you know, and then started look at the man in the mirror and change. Change starts with you. You know, it’s like I think we need to step up and understand how amazing this this human experience actually is. And you get more from it when you do stuff for others and give them value and look out for them and truly have their back. Hmm. I think

 

Bryn 

was watching a film on the guy channel, which is I will say has been the best investment during the lock down period. Netflix went down TV went down, Gaya consumption went up. We’re gonna watch TV, which isn’t good. There’s a film in it. It was talking about how Most indigenous people around the planet in history would have various ceremonies, whether it’s with plant or song or dance, or whatever, and it would be all about recognising the demons within and then constructively acknowledging them and then letting them go. Right so that they pose no longer a problem. And by cutting us off from our, our ancestral indigenous roots, those demons actually stay within us and then we project them out now. And so we see them in the world, we act them out in the world because they remain unconscious, rather than doing ceremonies to bring them up to the consciousness to bring them to the light to let them go away. And I had this vision the other day or most of light, where before we would have ourselves and then we would start projecting them out. We almost have this intensifying sandbox experience of so Media where we can take those demons and it really amp them up before they spill out into the world. And so, you know, going back to your point of what to do is come together, let’s acknowledge, recognise the demons that we have within ourselves, recognise the good bits and recognise the shitty things that we have done individually collectively.

 

 

And then

 

Paul Holliday 

let’s empower people as well as have the courage to have the courage to tell a friend when they’re doing something minorly wrong, instead of talking behind their back, is that my dad, my one of my dad’s dad, who passed away in 2018, one of his best qualities and I have not seen it. In many people. He would not talk behind someone else’s back and it wouldn’t have anybody else ever. And it’s a quality that I’d love to you know, domain. It’s like there’s no use in the past. It’s not there. You just test empowering you. Yeah. It’s like, you know, what’s the use is like, if we’re all trying to do something if you’re starting start something new daily starting something new and starting something new. New means you’re going to make mistakes.

 

 

Yes.

 

Paul Holliday 

You know, and there’s amazing people down south that are doing amazing stuff. And they’re and they’re trying the best and we need to lift each other and help each other. But be honest with each other. what works, what doesn’t work, keep it simple, you know, dance with each other play with each other, rather than

 

 

you know, because you always men’s circles, nothing like mine is shit.

 

Paul Holliday 

Cheese. Come on, please to try, at least to try and I think that’s the thing is, is to look out for each other. That’s increase the energy not not decrease it. Or you put it in? Yeah, exactly. It’s been fun, Paul. I was in spring

 

Bryn 

You know, which are often just fun to get the microphone.

 

 

Thank you for that. Thank you

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