#158 A Question of Medical Freedom and Sovereignty over our own Body – Dr. Judy Wilyman

I enjoyed a conscious conversation with Dr. Judy Wilyman.

In 2015, after leaving a 15+ years being a science teacher and following her curiosity and concern sparked by observing an abnormal rise in allergies and learning disorders in the children she was teaching, Dr. Judy completed her PHD entitled ‘A critical analysis of the Australian government’s rationale for its vaccination policy’.

What followed was nothing short of a drama out of Netflix – intense media scrutiny, actives steps to discredit her, lobbyist pressure to remove her PHD from the University of Wollongong’s Library and website and much more.

In this conversation Dr. Judy explains vaccine theory, ‘undone’ science, the lack of rigorous and legal accountability surrounding vaccines as well as the numerous conflicts of interest that pervade the Australian Scientific and Government Regulatory and decision-making bodies.

What shines through for me are the major questions about just how much we, and particular key state decision makers, lay our trust on scientists for many of our major answers – something that potentially applies to not only to vaccines but also the Governmental respond to COVID-19.

Dr Judy is a regular mother who is concerned for her children and the society we live in – the impact of all of this is laid bare within the conversation. What is interesting is the scale of the backlash because she dared to question.

For the listener, ultimately this comes down to a question of sovereignty over your own body, and for your children, and just how much responsibility and ownership you are willing to take over that.

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Bryn 

This week, I enjoyed a riveting and conscious conversation with Dr. Judy Wileyman.

 

In 2015, after leaving a 15 plus year career of being a science teacher, and following her curiosity and concern sparked by observing an abnormal rise in allergies, and learning disorders, and other symptoms in the children she was teaching. Dr. Judy completed her PhD, entitled A critical analysis of the Australian Government’s rationale for its vaccine policy.

 

What followed was nothing short of a drama out of Netflix. Intense media scrutiny, active steps to discredit her lobbyist pressure to remove a PhD from the University of Wollongong library and website and much, much more.

 

In this conversation, Dr. Judy explains vaccine theory, undone science, the lack of rigorous and legal accountability surrounding vaccines, as well as the numerous conflict of interest that pervade the Australian scientific and government regulatory and decision making bodies.

 

What shines through for me are the major questions about just how much we, in particular, our key decision makers in state and federal positions, lay our trust with scientists and science.

 

Judy is a regular mother, regular person who was concerned for children, the society we live in the impact of all of this, and upon her is laid bare within this conversation. What is interesting is the scale of the backlash that she endured just because she dared to question for the listener.

 

Ultimately, this comes down to a question of sovereignty over your own body and that of your children. And just how much responsibility and ownership Are you willing to take that? So enjoy, Dr. Judy.

 

Bryn 

Hello, and welcome back to WA Real. I’m your host Bryn Edwards. Today my guest is Dr. Julian parliament. In 2050, Dr. Judy published her PhD at the University of Wollongong, entitled A critical analysis of the Australian Government’s rationale for its vaccination programme to date, because I checked this morning that’s had 27,289 downloads. And I don’t imagine that many PhDs get that many downloads because as much as they’re important,

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

that thought, Yeah,

 

Bryn 

yes. During that you did an analysis, scientific scientific argument about what’s going on with a vaccination. And part of that I’m led to believe indicated that not only is it not necessarily protecting us, but it’s also causing potential illness and death. Today, there has been no scientific refuting of that. And it’s also seen numerous attempts to have it removed from download. Judy, welcome to the show.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Thank you. So

 

Bryn 

Let’s kick off. Why vaccination. Why is it? I thought we’d start by exchanging views in the stock? Why is it so important in your view? So if we frame this conversation, why is it like the burning thing for you?

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

I was a science teacher in the schools from the mid 80s to the early 2000s. Yes. And it was around 1993 that I started having my own children. And what we had noticed, basically, from 1990 onwards in the schools, was just this significant increase in allergies, anaphylaxis, asthma, ADHD, speech, delay, neurological disorders, was all increasing through the 90s and particularly autism. Right and as a science teacher, you know, It started to intrigue me, you know, all of a sudden, we had these pictures of students posted up in the staff room saying their lF electic. that had never been the case, it was never really a thing where there was never a thing and the peanut butter, you know, the allergies to peanut butter became, you know, it was quite sad and laugh. And then then it just 10,000 grains of five to 10 fold increase over the 90s. And that has continued for the last two decades as well. So, you know, I was then alerted to the vaccination schedule when I had my own children and blown away by how many vaccines are actually required to have within that first year of life. And with a little bit more investigation, and the media was saying that this some of this information about the links to the chronic illness, they were telling us it was junk science, the media reports out I know that’s junk science. And I thought Hang on a minute. That’s not junk science. You know, and You know, I went to some talks by people that were also concerned about it. And then I thought, right, well, let’s let’s investigate this properly. So I gave up teaching around 2004. Yeah. And went back to university and enrolled in the School of Public Health, to do a Master of Science in population health, just literally to test the waters. Is there a problem? Isn’t there a problem? What’s the ingredients that are being injected directly into the bloodstream of children? Now, all children, that’s a big step,

 

Bryn 

like even on a personal level to go from right. I’m going to put behind my foot behind me, my teaching career, go and investigate investigator how’d you break that to your husband?

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Well, I guess at that point, I was actually feeling I wanted something new, something different, and I would have liked to and I did actually lecture for a while at the universities in public health. So that was the step I was essentially taking in doing it and and I was actually just fascinated by The topic and you know, trying to find out well, am I doing the right things? Because I was vaccinate my children at the time or should I not be vaccinating? And I thought this would solve all my problems. Yeah. But

 

Bryn 

then you’ve seen something that’s not quite right on the front line of being with kids. Lots of kids. Yeah. And now it’s, yeah,

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

there was a trend happening. And it’s still happening to this day in direct, direct dose response relationship to the vaccination programme. And as it turns out, that is, in fact, a key factor. The main, the main, the government’s or the pharmaceutical companies have funded that causality study using an inert placebo in the unvaccinated group, and we’re going to get to that, okay. And so that’s without that fundamental empirical evidence. It’s critical to the claim that vaccines are safe and effective. The basically the government’s saying they’re safe and effective, but having not done that critical evidence and that’s essentially what my PhD is it exposes the undone science in government policy, right? That’s actually a term used in academic circles, and done science. It’s the critical science that is necessary to make policy decisions that hasn’t ever been funded. And that was the outcome of my PhD. And so, you know, I started with the Master of Science. And my main concern at that point was some who because So, you know, just, I knew I’d seen a lot of literature saying about it to link with brain damage through the 90s. And I wanted to know, and it was in the late 90s, that they actually changed from using the whole cell pertussis, or whooping cough vaccine to an a cellular vaccine, saying that there were less reactions to this new vaccine than the old one, which was proven to be linked to encephalopathy brain damaged by a British study that went over 10 years. So yes, they change To that vaccine, and yeah, no, I, I got my master of science with that major research project that got a high distinction. And when I asked the School of Public Health at University of Wollongong to continue with a PhD in that department, they wouldn’t provide supervisors. So that was the School of Public Health, in the health Faculty of Health, and they wouldn’t provide supervisors in that school to to continue my research with a PhD. They alarm bells will Yes, yes. Because I went and saw the head of the department and she said, No, we think that’s better placed in science and technology studies, which is an analysis of the the history of the control of infectious diseases and the ethics and politics surrounding it, which of course, is very relevant To vaccination of sorry, at the control of infectious diseases, because that’s called social medicine that we didn’t ever use drugs or vaccines to control his diseases, your public, literally a public health issue that doesn’t require that didn’t require vaccines to reduce the risk of these diseases. So they decided that the science and technology studies was in the Faculty of Arts. So they were moving this project. So instead of being able to investigate it through the epidemiology of infectious diseases and how they were controlled, and you know, the School of Public Health where it should have been done, they moved up to Social Sciences in the Faculty of that. And I had a great supervisor there and it was very relevantly placed, but it was a strategy that removed credibility from the PhD only in terms Yeah, only in terms of the media being able to promote There’s a lot that no, that’s an arts degree. It’s in the Faculty of Arts. And then then they say, well at social sciences or humanities, and that that’s a strategy so that the public because the public’s being told, oh no, they need to get their information from a medical doctor. So therefore, it’s it’s easily dismissed and a lot of people’s eyes based on the fact that that’s a social science degree or humanities degree, when in actual fact the control of infectious diseases was literally controlled through changes to political and economic structures, structures in society. And then it wasn’t medically based at all the vaccines didn’t control. It didn’t reduce the deaths and serious illness, today’s diseases that was already done prior to my expecting so his

 

Bryn 

question and that I was really keen to ask right at the start of this, before we go further into your PhD. What is the theory behind how vaccines work and does that in and of itself, start up,

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

right? Well, yeah, no, there’s because we can

 

Bryn 

because we can go all into and we will do into no job no play and what Australian government policy lines are and this that the other and dah dah dah dah dah. But if you dial it all the way back to you know, I remember having a handful a handful of jobs at school, not very many, mainly, the most memorable one for me was my TB job right about the age of 12. Because I was at a boys boarding school and everyone went run around hitting each other on the job just because it was painful. And but what is the theory behind giving vaccines and does that stand up?

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Well, that’s right. And the theory behind giving vaccines is that part of your the defence the immune defence mechanism is to raise the antibody titer in the blood, and they have found some association between a high antibody titer protection to disease. However, it’s not a not a complete correlation, there are some people that have a low antibody titer and still protected from disease. And vice versa, people can have a high antibody titer and still get the disease was the titer. Me titer is at its account of at the, the antibodies in your bloodstream. So it’s just the amount and amount kill stuff off.

 

 

Sorry. So

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

antibodies are produced to in response to an antigen, right? And so we’re talking about the antigens would be say the attenuated weakened virus, or killed, right, or bacteria and attenuated bacteria, so they’re the agents, infectious agents got it. And so when we’re exposed to them naturally, we it’s noticed that the immune system responds by producing antibodies in the bloodstream and a part of our immune response. To prevent disease or serious disease. However, it’s it’s known that as I said before, you can have a high antibody titer and still get the disease. And you can have a low antibody titer and not get the DNA. So it’s not foolproof, that particular right measure. And the thing with vaccines is that they that they are not tested against the disease itself, the surrogate, they use a surrogate of antibody titer to test the vaccines in the laboratories. So again, that’s not empirical evidence and it actually states on the vaccine package inserts and I’ve got the quotes in my PhD that the vaccines have made not not been tested to prevent, say influenza in the community. They’re tested against antibody titer and that suggested that there is a model of the entity tighter showing you what is a protective level. Right. But when I looked for that model wasn’t able to find one. And of course you couldn’t have that model unless you have tested them to see what level is needed. Yeah, by having two groups and seeing what level was needed to protect against the disease in a vaccinated unvaccinated group. But the only data that is available is antibody titers, and of course, that’s a surrogate, which they’re saying, Yeah, and not the real empirical evidence to say, Well, how many vaccinated people don’t get the disease and how many unvaccinated don’t get the disease? it?

 

Bryn 

I felt I had to ask that question, because it’s really important because, you know, obviously, you know, it might seem very basic question to yourself, but for the everyday person who will be listening to this, which is why I wanted to do this podcast. You know, there’s some really simple little stories that we’ve been taught. That’s it upon which bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger things start to be built upon. You know, we were told our will inject you with a very small amount of

 

 

diesel whatever

 

Bryn 

the problem is, you know, and and then you develop the antibodies and that’s it you they’ve accepted.

 

 

Yeah. And animal level.

 

Bryn 

Why would you question that story that’s handed down from the great precision of science?

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

It’s a very good question. And that is what I found was that that is a surrogate that’s being used the antibody titer. So as you said that it’s simplified science. So there’s actually two parts to the immune response is u th one and u th two, yeah, well, the th two is your antibody response. And then there’s a th one which is cell mediated response, and you need both of those responses to effectively protect against disease, but the vaccination only stimulates the th to respond. Just half a job. That’s right. And so it’s not the same as the immunity that you might achieve after natural infection with the virus or bacteria. So those things I found were different to what the government was saying. And I’ve got that actually stated in chapter seven of my thesis. And the other way in which it’s different is that of course, the bacterial vaccines have aluminium adjuvant in them, hmm. And the aluminium, the adjuvant is used. It’s stated to be used to enhance the antibody effect. But they actually say in the literature that they don’t know fully how that mechanism works. So they’re not fully sure of what how the element imagine actually assists in that process. So does it well, that’s right I do get an elevated antibody response if you put the aluminium in. But of course the vaccines a lot of the vaccines today have huge amounts of aluminium in them which we know is linked to causing autism. diseases and hypersensitivity. And these, the ingredients of vaccines aren’t being presented to parents or even doctors in their education. And so we do have to start weighing up what how many vaccines are we going to use that have so much aluminium in them. And recently, you know, 500 micrograms of aluminium has been used in, you know, HPV vaccines and meningococcal vaccines. And, you know, it’s all a cumulative. So, you know, if you have 10 vaccines and five of them have any minimum then you know, you’re going to get that cumulative level of the oil iminium. And of course, when it’s injected, it does get to every every cell and tissue in the body, and it will interfere with body systems.

 

Bryn 

So if we go back to your PhD,

 

 

you are shuffled off to an arts department that’s

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

not the Faculty of Arts

 

Bryn 

and in social science and social Science, and you proceeded to do the PhD. Now as I was reading on your website, he wasn’t you went out to go in discredit things you went to go and investigate.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Absolutely to see what role the vaccines did play in controlling the diseases, right? Yeah.

 

Bryn 

So what did you find towards that?

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

That was interesting because it would be very easy to show the in the influence of vaccines in controlling those diseases. So for example, when there’s an outbreak of a disease at the government needs to provide the statistics of how many cases of that disease were vaccinated, and how many cases of those disease were unvaccinated? And that would tell us whether the majority of cases were an unvaccinated or vaccinated children or people. And, most significantly, even the hospitalised can They have a serious cases, the ones that actually go end up in hospital. So even if you just monitored the vaccination status of the cases that end up in hospital and presented those statistics to the public when we have an outbreak of disease that would help us know that Oh, yes, the vaccines effective and of course, you know, we should consider using it for this particular disease. Yeah. But throughout history, they’ve never used that

 

Bryn 

tool, people presented with

 

 

an X

 

Bryn 

very how many people have been vaccinated? That’s it. How many have That’s

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

right. And there’s been ways of manipulating that so that that figure doesn’t get observed or presented. But but in most cases, literally, you’ll see a media report and it just says, you know, measles outbreak, and they tell you how many people have got measles, but even that in itself is too simplistic because after the public health insurance structure was put in place in the 1950s and 60s and good nutrition. So all of those things reduced the deaths to these diseases. So it was known that there’s still cases of these diseases, but in a developed country, they were not serious. So So publicising the fact that there’s one or two or five or 10 cases of measles in the population isn’t telling us a thing. They’re non serious cases. in the majority of cases, the person will get better at self limiting. They get long term immunity from natural infection. You don’t get that from a vaccine, hence the boosters booster booster booster. Yes. And so. And what’s happening now is in fact, the health department has been told that a single case of measles must be treated as a public health emergency. And that’s why you’re getting these ridiculous headlines in the mainstream media measles outbreak, you know, and you’ll find that it’s literally just one case. And yet They’re saying, you know, three or four regions across Western Australia need to be careful. But there’s been an app, a case of measles in this area, you know, so it’s being overblown and you’re not getting that information you need to make a decision on whether you should or shouldn’t get the vaccine. And what I found in my study was that highly vaccinated populations are getting outbreaks of measles and whooping cough and all the rest of it. So in the end, we know now that the the vaccination rates in these populations is 90 to 95%. It has been for a decade now. So the majority of those cases are going to be vaccinated cases. But you’re not being told how many were vaccinated, how many were on vaccinated? Were they serious or were they non serious. And in many cases, in developed countries, you’ll get an asymptomatic infection. And that’s, you know, so no symptoms its sub called a subclinical infection. And they will be the majority of cases with childhood infectious diseases in a developed country. And it gives long term immunity and that’s where the term herd immunity originally came from. Yes, because the majority of exposure to measles, whooping cough influenza, even after 19 5060 were asymptomatic all mild cases in developed countries. That’s fine. That’s why vaccination programmes were always up to 2015 quality

 

Bryn 

of life. Is there nutrition was there absolutely. All the stuff

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

and family sizes went down as well. Yep. And so it meant and when kids are exposed to these diseases over the age of six months, and particularly over one year, they’re not serious that it’s kids under mostly under six months that die from say, whooping cough or measles or whatever, I’ll have a complication. So it was the nutrition, the hygiene, the sanitation, the smaller family sizes are Not in 50. And all of those factors,

 

Bryn 

those mega defacing steps exact meant that we had that better immune system to start doing exactly

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

that because your immune system needs priming it that that’s how it works properly.

 

 

What I mean by priming priming actually

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

being exposed naturally to these viruses. Right. But what’s happening today because the government’s now mandated to run past Well, yes, because the government mandating up to 16 vaccines are actually recommended on the schedule. And most of those are required to get into early childhood education and childcare facilities now, so from nought to five years of age, and literally from day one of life, even in pregnancy, now, the vaccines are being given. And so that that’s interfering with all of your body’s systems before the developed the prime time of development for your excretory system, your respiratory system, your digestive system immune system between naught to three years of age. And we’re bombarding that system with many chemicals in the vaccine carrier on top of the antigens, the foreign protein that’s in there that is linked to causing autoimmune diseases. And that bombardment is happening literally from day one of life with the hip, the hepatitis B vaccine. So, you know, it’s no other autoimmune diseases include rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes, you know, chronic fatigue, and cancers. And all of these things are increasing in children with the expansion of this programme, we’ve seen a direct correlation. And when when we put that to the government or to doctors, they’re coming back at the

 

Bryn 

end of your PhD.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Well, that was one of the findings in the PhD and of course, a direct correlation. Is is one of the most important criteria to prove causality. So you would expect good science, what would it would mean that that’s one of the things that should be investigated before you claim that this is safe. But when we put that to the government, they say, Oh, no, that’s just a coincidence after vaccines after a vaccine, and the doctors are saying the same thing. And they’re not admitting that the mechanisms are there. And the chemicals in the vaccines are there to cause these illnesses. They’re ignoring it. So they literally ignoring parents evidence of what’s happening to their children after vaccination. Because your question when you were doing your PhD,

 

Bryn 

or when you started off with a PhD, did you did you enter into it with a certain amount of what shall I say? Almost, if you look back at it now, naive exploration Let’s go and see what’s happened. This that the other or did you know that If I uncover anything, there’s going to be like this wall or blowback or

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

completely naive. I thought this would be great. You know, I’d have the knowledge, I’d be able to debate it as you normally do in academic circles.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, I’ll get into a good robust debate.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

That’s right.

 

Bryn 

done more work. I’ve done my research. I’ve now got the three new letters after my name.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

You know, I’m allowed at the table. That’s right. And with most, you’ll notice that with most scientific areas, people with a PhD are asked for their opinions. Yeah, they presented to the public, so not mine. So

 

Bryn 

what Tell me about the point in your own human journey with this where you suddenly went, hang on a minute,

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

nobody actually wants to hear what I have to say. Well, that was the interesting thing. Very interesting because and this stuff was not hard to find. Literally, it jumps

 

Bryn 

out yet go routine. around in the back ends of a library to

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

mystic Well, you know, there was a lot of like digging, but the books are there and open up a medical journal and and the articles out there and they’re jumping off the page literally and some amazing stuff. And so it was actually really easy to keep going and to complete the PhD because of what I was finding. And literally that’s part of the problem. Public Interest science is sitting on the shelves in in libraries and things because the only research that’s publicised now is industry funded research. They’re the ones promoting it. So if you do a topic where the science is in the best interest of the public, and if it’s not good, and if there’s a lot of vested interest in that can that I’m making money and can be through government policy. As hard as that sounds to believe. That is actually what’s happening. I know people that Do the PhD, another lady who did a PhD through the medical department. And her PhD was sitting there. When I started, she finished in 2003, sitting on the shelf collecting dust, she came to the same conclusions. But unless you promoted yourself, which is what I’ve ended up doing, it doesn’t get promoted. And in fact, the media puts out false information about my PhD. So there’s a lot of lies and defamation, about me in the mainstream media and on Wikipedia. But if you don’t have money, you can’t fight that defamation. And they know that I didn’t have a voice. So to get back to your question, that realisation that all of a sudden I’m finding these things and nobody’s gonna hear about them. Because Yeah, I the media reaction was so obvious. And so I started by writing letters to people like Professor Fiona Stanley. At this time, I was lecturing at Murdoch University in environmental science, environmental health. And so I was interested In the studies that she was doing here with, in terms of she was actually investigating, they had a $10 million study, and the biggest in the southern hemisphere that was in investigating the environment, the effects of environmental toxins on children’s health, because by this time, everybody was noticing all this chronic illness in children. Yeah, that was around 2008. So I was at Murdoch University, I started writing to her, but I made sure that any letter that I wrote, no matter who it was to, I started copying in all my friends. Yeah, and people that I thought would be interested, because I wasn’t going to be the only one saying this. I could see it wasn’t going anywhere. And I’d be finding it and there was nothing I could do with it. So yeah, I did. I started copying in my friends. And they’d say, Oh, god, that’s great. Later, you know, I wonder what her reaction will be. Yeah. And then, you know, the next minute, you know, they either didn’t answer yet or you know, that she actually went They replied to one of the questions I asked. And I said, you know, are you investigating vaccines in this study of the environmental factors that can affect children’s health? And they said, No, no, we’re not in that would be unethical. It would be unethical to refuse a child a vaccine. But hang on a minute. It’s unethical to be promoting 12 vaccines in children if you have never investigated the long term health effects of those vaccines on the children. And that’s exactly where we’re at intellectually with the vaccination programme is an experiment on children because they have never done that science with a with an inert placebo.

 

Bryn 

I was gonna say, am I right in believing that if I, if I was, you know, if I set up a pharma company brain. And I wanted to put a medicine out there, like an actual tablet of some description, you would have to go through a very long trial here, we’d have to go and have the double blind proceed the gold standard of science and all of that yet vaccines get a free pass from

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

That’s right. That’s correct. That’s because they have instead of calling it a drug that classified it as a biologic. Now this What does that mean? It’s a it’s a substance that’s you that’s used in the Bloods in the blood as it affecting the blood, but there’s no technically there’s no difference between a drug and a biologic. A vaccine is a drug, you’re injecting it into the body with chemicals in it is a drug.

 

Bryn 

How did it end up being classified as

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

well? The CDC have classified it as a biologic. That’s correct. And when I looked into the studies of the study designed that they were calling safety studies, they either use as an in so and in a placebo is the placebo you use in the unvaccinated group.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, that’s in effect just injected was silent. That’s

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

right, a silent solution that should have no effect in your body. But it’s just the knowledge that you know, you’re taking something. Yeah. Okay. So and what I found was the placebos that we’re using in safety studies. were either a previously marketed vaccine, so if you’re, if they’re looking at the safety of an influenza vaccine, they would use another influenza vaccine that had already been marketed as a placebo, or they use the aluminium adjuvant that’s in the vaccine itself by itself, but the aluminium adjuvant is the part of the vaccine that is linked to most of the autoimmune diseases and hypersensitivity and allergies that we’re saying. So I’d say the free pass for that. Well, that is a good point because that is Cheetah science. It’s a It’s false science. It’s as fraudulent actually. Yeah. And, but but it’s because there’s no accountability. And what we’ve got now the situation we’ve got is that the family most of the clinical studies on the safety and efficacy of vaccines are funded by the pharmaceutical companies. So when the government decides to recommend a vaccine, the advisory boards you would hope that those people had no financial ties to any of the pharmaceutical companies. But what we found is that the majority of them receiving honoraria you know which payments from CSL GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer, all the pharmaceutical companies, they receive this funding to go to conferences. The people on these boards are often not just on a government vaccine advisory board. advising the government. They’re also on a vaccine manufacturers board, you know, like CSL or GlaxoSmithKline. And I think the biggest conflict of interest that I uncovered in Australia was the chair of Maine vaccine advisory board. It’s called the Australian technical group on immunisation. So a techy and the chair of that board was Terry Nolan Professor Terry Nolan. He became the chair in 2005. till December 2014. So a whole decade. Yeah, I discovered that Terry Nolan had previous to that been working at the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute. He actually started up in 1990, the largest taxane research and development programme in Australia. It’s called Virgo, and it’s with the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute. So for 15 years, he was doing that prior to 2005 He then moved on to the vaccine advisory board for the Australian Government, where his position his chair required him to directly recommend vaccines to the health minister.

 

Bryn 

So he he’s in effect, telling the Health Minister what

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

exactly what to put on the border on the protester on the vaccine programme. So, and over that decade, you know, the vaccine programme almost doubled. You know, we’re up to about 16 or 17 vaccines. And, but what he was he also had another role. He was the deputy chair of the National Health and Medical Research Council. And as deputy chair to that Council, he was involved in deciding on the funding of particular research projects. So he was directing funding into particular research that needed during with regards to safety and efficacy of vaccines. But you can medically defund an area of science. And during that time, I mean, I asked I requested a scholarship, a government scholarship for my independent investigation of the vaccination programme that would have been in 2007. And so he was there as the chair but I was refused at a government scholarship. So, you know, any any funding I had to fund myself and, but it’s a very important position because I mean, I found there’s undone science in the the actual schedule of vaccines. And when Terry Nolan finished, retired in 2014, he went back to his role as head of the research and development vaccine programme at the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute where he still is now today. So even that’s a conflict of interest that the public is entitled to know about, but You know, parents, a lot of us were trying to get the government to publish the potential conflicts of interest of all of these people on advisory boards. And we were writing to them from at least 2011 onwards. And it wasn’t till Terry Nolan retired in December 2014, that the government then published conflicts of interest in February 2015. That was the first time that the conflicts of interest had been put up there. But even now, you know, that there’s the majority of people on these boards have conflicts of interest, and they move between vaccine advisory boards for companies across to the government and then back again, to the previous roles. So it’s sort of a revolving door. And I know that’s the case in a number of government departments now.

 

Bryn 

So are you saying is scientists to work with private

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

companies that manufacture effects vaccine manufacturers?

 

Bryn 

Yeah. Then they’ll be found on a board that would be suggested. them on the roster of things that we should be injected with, and then later in their career they’ll possibly go back.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

That’s right. That’s right. And I mean, it’s happening in the US. And when I documented all of the CDC and FDA conflicts of interest, it’s it’s the same across the board. And it’s found that the majority of people on government, vaccine advisory boards have had at least a financial conflict of interest. That is they’re receiving money from pharmaceutical companies while they’re on these boards, recommending vaccines to the government, or, and or they are moving between, you know, being the head of the vaccine research development department at, you know, private Institute, like the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute, you know, to being on the government board and then now move back to their previous job and, and that’s a powerful role he had because he was recommending directly what vaccines should be on the government schedule. To the health minister. He was involved in influencing where the funding should be spent as his role in Deputy Chair of the National Health and Medical Research Council. And you know, and he also was influential in the directives to doctors on how to administer vaccines through the Australian immunisation handbook. Those sorts of jobs. That’s right. That’s right. And, and, you know, I think on top of that, just knowing that the Murdoch media, so when you look at the mainstream media in Australia, at Murdoch, News Corp now owns about 80% of Australia’s media. And this was the case in 2015. When you know, the government was promoting this no jab, no pay policy whereby thousands of dollars parents Were you to lose between 10 and $15,000 if they didn’t use all 12 vaccines, but that’s not how it was presented in the media, to anybody who didn’t know the schedule of vaccines. No jab, no pay was presented as all these people won’t use are unvaccinated. And people just assume all that is one or two vaccines and they’re vaccinated. One job. That’s right. But in actual fact, when we were talking 12 to 16 vaccines, you know, it’s not somebody who’s unvaccinated means that they haven’t had minimum 12 vaccines. And of course, the most adults in the population had haven’t had 12 vaccines. But that piece of information was never promoted in the mainstream media while that policy was being pushed through the parliament, and over all of our submissions, there were thousands of submissions against the policy to the centre of inquiry, all ignored, all ignored. And in fact, the biggest lack of accountability. We put in a Freedom of Information request for the science that the chief medical officer used to approve the no jab, no pay in November 2015. It was sent to the Prime Minister and Cabinet Office. And they refused under the Freedom of Information Act to provide to the public. What science was used to prove mandatory mandating 12 vaccines plus for not to five year olds to go to childcare centres to get an early childhood education. And for parents who need the welfare benefit. They have no choice in this, you know, you’re their livelihood depends on the welfare benefits from the government. And so, but the public wasn’t allowed to see what science can be used to mandate these vaccines in the community. And that’s a critical factor, you know, and it’s pretty scary. It’s scary. And so that’s where we’re at today. We still have not got the government hasn’t justified this policy with science. And I would like to actually point out also in 2015, because at this time we were very vocal. We were having issues with the parents. You know, I had been putting out my newsletters, you see that my newsletters grew?

 

 

Yeah, yeah. So you’re on your mailing list now are thousands

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

and it goes globally. Yeah. And every week, people are signing up to my newsletter. But so 2015 there were some parents, because I had been living in Sydney at the time. And so they were very familiar with my work. And one of them was a media and communication student at the University of Technology in Sydney, and she had three children. She She wanted to know, she, you know, intuitively was concerned about vaccines, and she wanted to get to have a debate. So she thought All right, well, for her project, she would organise a q&a at the University of Technology in Sydney, and we would have a panel, we would have the people like myself academics and doctors nice,

 

Bryn 

open reasons. discussion.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Exactly. And so, you know, we the ones questioning freedom state thought, yeah. And so she went and invited over 45 public health authorities, doctors. At the time, Susan lay was the Minister for Health. She was invited. We had Scott Morrison was the Minister for Social Services at the time, and he was invited. And then, actually, in the same year, Christian Porter became the Minister for Social Services, just after the policy was tabled in Parliament, so he was invited. And then doctors literally over 45 people, and not a single one of them would come to an open forum, a q&a at the University of Technology and defend the Gulf. Last night, Jeff and I paid that they were about to push through this was prior to approving that policy in Parliament. It was October 2015. And the policy was approved in November 2015. And not a single one and we even had the head of the MCI IRS Peter MacIntyre he was invited Peter McIntosh and Robert bouie. They declined. And Peter McIntyre’s been at the head of the MCs for over 22 years so he was there at the beginning when the MCR is that’s the National Centre for immunisation research, the violence. So it’s that body that is responsible for providing the science, the research behind the safety and efficacy of vaccines. So he should have been, you know, very willing to come and present. Yeah, the science that this open q&a, none of them would come. So we started the q&a. See,

 

Bryn 

okay, so while it’s not in the same yourself. I have to I have two degrees in, in, in in science, right? And a bachelor’s and a master’s in science and theory should be the most straightforward thing to debate because you debating straightforward facts. It’s not even bloody opinion.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

It’s not and also science to stand up to scrutiny. Science needs to stand up to scrutiny to be accepted as fact. Yes. And therefore, if the government’s putting forward mandatory medications for Healthy People, the thought that they weren’t even required they nobody made them accountable. We actually did the q&a. And I ended up doing both sides of it. We had on the panel we also had a naturopath who came and presented information as well. But the doctors wouldn’t come in nor what the politicians or the heads of these advisory boards

 

Bryn 

record responses are just

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

we did we did it was really interesting, and we’ve got the video it was video. It’s up online. On my website. And so we have listed at the beginning, all of those officials that declined to come and be accountable for the policy and defend it in a public forum. And what when I did the talk, I actually looked at the Academy of Science to get the information that they were using to present to to put forward this policy. And I also used the information on the government website. So I put their case for it. And then I put out a case for two minutes in the video. And we did get a response from the now it would have been the Social Services Department. And because they said, Look, if you if we, if you give us your questions, we’ll answer your questions. So we sent them the questions we had. And they sent it back said, Oh, no, no, this is that’s for the health department’s in mental health department. And so we sent them to the health department. And they said, No, no, no. It this policy is going through social sciences. It’s the social sciences department that needs to answer those. Well, we’ve got it, we’ve got those responses up in the video. So this is part of the problem. Politicians are not being accountable for the policy decisions they’re making. And and we don’t have a voice at literally the public’s voice on this issue has been removed. So when we have a protest, the media doesn’t turn up. And if the media doesn’t turn up, then you literally, you must not protest because nobody knows about it. But we film it ourselves. And we put it up on alternative media. Yeah, but you know, a lot of people, the intimidation and psychological strategies of the public being taught, oh, no, no, you must get this information from medical doctors. You know, that a lot of people just put their trust in the doctors and the government’s and that’s it, you know, and particularly with the bullying that we get and the labels the stigma of this anti vaxxer You know, that’s literally a conspiracy theory. Exactly. Both those labels and they push to the hilt. And so nobody wants to be, you know, on the fringe of society that, you know that the public’s told Oh no, they, you know, alternative people well, you can’t get more mainstream than a science teacher who’s gone to the universities and all I was yelled at for his debate and scrutiny of the songs.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. Judy, you know, exactly dread loopy, exactly, exactly know that they have any less

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

opinion. No, no, in fact, probably they’re more on the ball. In terms of health issues,

 

Bryn 

what what is really alarming to me listening to you is that if I’m right, we have scientists that have conflicts of interests, who are glossing over or not necessarily completing the rigorous investigation, scientific rigour,

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

rigour, rigour, my face is shattered the other

 

Bryn 

rigorous science or the lack of effort, however, because they are scientists and senior scientists, the whole positions of responsibility and And let’s not forget all that that entails because that has that has a whole schema of beliefs in authority and everything around that they that that body or person is then in a position to then go and advise a government official, who by and large will not be a scientist that’s so by and large will be

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

none of them have have qualification know how or medicine

 

Bryn 

no greater insight or let alone space and capacity to go and investigate yourself. Right. They will be provided with a scientific light If you don’t do this, then this will happen. And this will happen because it’s medical will be scary sounding.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Because it means a paper with the sign.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, that’s what’s happening because it’s scary. The potential outcome. Yeah. I as a politician, within the framework of the short term democracy that we have four to five years and you term depending on where you are, you will think, well, I don’t wanna I don’t want that on my watch.

 

 

That’s not true. Because it’s

 

Bryn 

not good for votes. It’s not good for the party. It’s not good for this, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. Everybody do something. Let’s go. Let’s do it. Dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And then we come up with nice little slogans, no job, no play. That’s it. Why Why? You then have in the army out Second, you would then have some sort of media influence there. How the two come together, behind closed doors, we don’t know. But the media will then provide things you know, a you crackpot conspiracy theories anti vaxxer with weak science is probably some of the stuff you’ve had and tried to have your PhD taken down. And then it’s like, you know, well, the sensible the social responsible thing to do is get your kids vaccinated. The impact of social responsibility then translate in into the herd. Right? And then we start to see something called social shaming, and, and fear and things like that. Now, the reason why I’m so concerned about that is you just spelled it out with vaccinations, right. But that turn of events has happened in the last three to four months. With

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman  

Oh, yes, yeah, big time with the COVID-19. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

The story seems to change all the time. But it doesn’t matter about the story now because now we’re in luck that now we’re making these decisions, the modelling upon you know, the Imperial College modelling upon which the original alarm bell was rattled, because?

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Well, it was based on false assumptions, indeed.

 

Bryn 

And so and so this is happening.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Yes, it is simplified science is being used in proposals. And don’t get me wrong, you know,

 

Bryn 

we do have to simplify it to a degree. So everybody gets it.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

But you’ve got to have the facts out there. They’ve reversed the facts. They reverse the facts, so that they’re saying vaccines do all those things, when in fact, it was natural infection that did all of that. And the public health infrastructure meant that the risk from the infectious diseases was reduced, so that when you did get a case of that disease, it was less virulent. And that’s where I will make this point, the mere idea of a global pandemic, based on a mathematical formula that’s flawed, completely fraudulent. We cannot predict a global pandemic because of all the different environmental host characteristics in every different country, even quality of health care, and what they’ve done is

 

Bryn 

Yeah, but what we were talking about earlier on when standard of life

 

 

exactly sunlight and

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Australia doesn’t base its public health policies about infectious diseases on, say, an African country, because the environments quite different, that the genetic population is quite different the host characteristics, the lifestyles, so that’s where people should wake up, because this idea that you can use a mathematical formula to break predict a pandemic, a global pandemic. And they were wildly exaggerating the deaths from this model. And the model was designed by the GAVI alliance with the CDC. And everyone’s what’s the GAVI Alliance. It’s the Global Alliance for vaccine initiatives funded by Bill Gates and Bill Gates. So that Alliance is the alliance that designed the International Health Regulations. So all day, this lockdown and all of these initiatives were designed by a bill gates funded Alliance and they designed the mathematical formula that predicts a global pandemic, which of course you can’t have after 1960. Anyway, in a developed country, we’re not going to get a pandemic, because of our improved health and quality of health care. Viruses Don’t act like that. So and then they presented this they present these International Health Regulations through the World Health Organisation, which of course the World Health Organisation has this charter for presenting objective, objective science. But the body that’s actually designing the policies for the World Health Organisation is the GAVI alliance that includes the Federation of pharmaceutical companies. It includes the biotechnology companies. It includes the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and many many corporations and private public companies partnerships that all benefit If we have a global pandemic and a vaccine is used,

 

Bryn 

that’s not the fox’s design.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Exactly, it is all the way through the whole system. So in fact, this whole scenario could be changed even at a government level three political changes to the political system. Because it’s when you say money is power. And what the, what’s happened is that through donations and lobbying by the powerful industry lobby groups, and that’s where the smearing of people like myself has come in. That’s what you know, was so distressing. When I first started debating there’s hundreds of shills paid pharma representatives and they operate through the Australian sceptics group. And they’ve got website everywhere and they’ve infiltrated all media organisations in Australia and they have no health qualifications often, but they’re allowed to say whatever they like about me and my quality occasion. So there’s a whole lot of lies and misinterpretations of what I was saying and really emotional arguments that were very things I wasn’t even saying. And it all suddenly appeared all over the internet and on Wikipedia, which of course, again is controlled with Wikipedia and that’s it. That’s it, you know, apparently you can change it yourself. But guess what you can’t with a scientific topic like this. That’s very political with vested interest in it. I can’t change that information. So it’s called the sceptics are a global organisation as well as the National you’ve got the UK sceptics, they work in the pubs. They have pub meetings in the pubs and we’ve got the Australian sceptics and I investigated when they came from the Committee of sceptical inquiry in the US, that was the original sort of body and they’re a body that promotes corporate interests in government policies, by claiming that they’re debunking pseudoscience, when in fact the They’re not a scientific group. They use industry funded scientists to promote their message to their lay people. And then they pay people to promote their messages through the mainstream media, even universities, you know, all that pharmaceutical funding. See, even, you know, in universities now most of the research is funded by the pharmaceutical companies. And so in fact, even their complaint system was allowed to be misused by these organised lobby groups, vexatious complaints were put in and I constantly had to address them to finish my PhD. And I would be smeared in the media with lies before an investigation was finished. And then when the investigation was finished and found to be completely unwarranted, the media never corrected the academic record for the public. And, you know, this was really distressing things like academic misconduct was accused accused and they were allowed to make that claim eight years after I had published I had been awarded my Master of Science, you know, because they wanted to discredit my whooping cough research. So eight years after I had actually got my degree and published that piece of research that allowed the leader of one of these industry lobby groups to make a complaint of misconduct about that research. And that, you know, I had to go through a whole investigation only to find it was completely they admitted it was completely unwarranted. They gave me an apology. They gave me financial compensation, but the stress and the humiliation in the media the defamation which is still there, they the media wouldn’t correct the academic record and name the person who the complainant who was dr. john Cunningham, who was the leader of the stop the Australian vaccination network, which is an industry funded lobby group promoting the message and so they’re literally getting away with smearing people’s reputations without any consequences. The politicians are not being accountable for the science that they’re using. You know, we we tried to make them accountable. So all that was left to me was my website, and this newsletter, which, and that’s why my PhD is being downloaded 27 because every time I put it out, I make sure I have a link to my PhD, and people are curious people are interested. Yep.

 

Bryn 

Do you link up with any other people in this global arena?

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Absolutely. We’re all there’s a huge network of people and we must be pretty well at the critical mass. For people realising that Sam that was it.

 

 

Another Judy McCullough?

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Yeah. Judy milkovich. Yeah, yeah. Oh, absolutely. And Dr. Suzanne Humphreys I’ve met and also Dr. Sherry tenpenny. And I might point out that these doctors from the US So Dr. Sherry tenpenny, Dr. Suzanne Humphreys, Andrew Wakefield, they have all been entered. And by the way, David ickes Who isn’t a medical doctor or anything but he is freedom of speech. All of those people have been prevented hindered from coming to Australia and getting visas to speak in Australia. Yeah. on this topic, literally. censorship has happened to a huge cruising around in Australia.

 

 

At sea on aware absolutely stuff.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

It’s quite dark for me because I was going to say,

 

Bryn 

how has this changed your view of the world?

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Very, very distressing, actually, because I’ve got the tooth two worlds happening. And I think I was being thing. The undercover control of the policies and the lack of a public voice. The public’s interest in vaccination policies has been completely removed. We’ve now tried we had a protest outside Parliament House in Canberra last year. It was amazing. You know, and they’ve hidden the opposition to this policy. So Well, I mean, academics and professionals won’t speak up because I’ve seen what’s happened to me. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

And it was only he’s got arrows in the back. I’m not following. That’s

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

right. So there’s always professionals contacting me saying, God, great work. Keep it up.

 

Bryn 

Joe, you’re on the path.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Yeah, no, no. So I can’t do talks with prominent people that were they’re all under the surface. And, look, there’s been some interesting times. The first one was here in Perth in 2010. When a costly Australia vaccination network run by Meryl Dory, she’s actually been presenting this stuff for nearly 30 years now. And and with my research, I’ve teamed up with her to give a talk here in Perth. But that was my first real indication of what was going to happen when I started to speak when we got traction on this topic because really, we had the academic research now to go with the parents that were concerned. And we had a big platform where the Western Australia presented this anti vaxxers misusing the State Library for their talk. And, you know, huge headline, and I quote, The Shadow Minister for apps in 2010 stated this is equivalent to biker gangs and the Ku Klux Klan presenting their opinions. Now we were mostly parents. I was I was an academic lecture at the university.

 

Bryn 

So good, solid freedom of speech.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

And that’s the that’s the media’s reaction, the West Australian reaction. That was my first real indication of the fact that anti vaxxer was going to be in the title of everything that we put out even though we’re choice in all medications. And fortunately it backfired paper in perfect what what’s going on, you know, and we literally, we sold out the State Library twice. So over 200 people, we had to put the event on twice. So that sort of reaction actually backfired on them. And but but it was interesting as a parent to suddenly find ways We were told we had to put extra security guards and police on round the State Library when we gave a talk in 2010. And I’m thinking Hang on, I’m a parent. I’m a lecturer at the university, what’s going on? And that’s literally one of the most dangerous people, apparently, apparently. And I think the most rewarding thing after that was after we’d finished our talks, the security guards would come across and they’d pick their pamphlets up as they walked out the door. And we had the Hello be parents. Well, this is it. And that’s where in the end, the treats will have to come out. But even the manager of the library came up at the end. You’ll be very welcome to put your talks on anytime you wish, you know. But of course, again, in 2017, I had another situation in Sydney, similar sort of thing. The Lord Mayor of Sydney when she heard that or we had been a bit cheeky we’ve had publicised our event which wasn’t at a council venue But we publicised it on this the City of Sydney

 

 

website

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

which of course when when, you know the what would have been the sceptics organisation they, you know, they alerted the mayor Maris. Clever more and of course, there was this big article in The Sydney Morning Herald calling me an anti vaxxer and with my picture on the paper and saying that this information shouldn’t be presented in Council then use and you know, that gave the impression that the talk was actually being cancelled. When in fact, it wasn’t. And again, you know, we were sold out for that night that night and people just signed up rapidly to my newsletter and I got lots of subscribers, but you know, people without qualifications, jump on the bandwagon and say all these anti vaxxers they shouldn’t be allowed to talk in cancer venues, when they’re talking about, you know, academic research from the university and they have no idea that that to me goes further. Talking about

 

Bryn 

thing, substances that we are conscious a minute substances that we’re putting potentially putting into our own body, as adults, let alone as parents custodians for our children. And so therefore, this it comes down to a degree of sovereignty over your own authority.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

And that’s the fundamental issue. And you see

 

Bryn 

that that’s why I want to talk to

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

you that is k x k, because that’s the bit

 

Bryn 

I don’t think people get know, what we’re talking about is as soon as the government decide that you or your child has to have so you as the parent, guess what you just have been taken out of your parents life for your child’s life for a minute. And now, the government has taken over sovereign decisions over the body and well being of your

 

 

child. Now.

 

Bryn 

We could go the other end of the spectrum and look at mental and emotional problems, suicide rates and stuff like that. And that would suggest that the government don’t necessarily have a great track record in in making decisions on our so now, right? Because where’s the policy decisions that are helping to reduce that they’re not present? So therefore, why are we just handing over sovereign responsibility to to politicians and government? Who are being who are being led down the alley or informed by science?

 

 

Yes.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Well, that’s that’s

 

Bryn 

really why I wanted to come into

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

what’s the mind blowing bit that people find hard to see how we’ve arrived at this position, I must say, you know, even in my own mind, you know, it’s like, my god. How did they get away with that, but but what the Yeah, it’s the indoctrination wishman swear. Oh, yeah. It’s the indoctrination is the complete framing of this issue. But but with the backing of the education system, you say, Yes, so from kindergarten to university now, you will be told that the young people are all being taught. So anybody, you know, up to 30 years of age, will believe that vaccines control these diseases, that they are essential for public health, and that they don’t cause autism. That’s all being told in the curriculum, and that we need them with a 95% uptake rate to prevent these diseases. So indoctrination is part of it. And of course, the medical education system is also it’s funded by thumbs up companies that’s in my PhD. And that’s global. Now. There’s and so what’s happening is doctors are getting selective information. And and it’s all they are being funded with pharmaceutically funded science and told what to think about vaccines and they’re not getting the historical control of infectious diseases. If you ask a doctor, they have very little knowledge of infectious disease control or even vaccines, you ask a doctor, what’s the ingredients of the vaccines, parents are blown away when they find out all that the doctor will say all you know, in fact, a pharmacist said to me are this, the entity and the weakened bacteria and a sideline solution. And I looked at him this was a pharmacist tenant, and I had asked him what was in the influenza vaccine. And there’s six or seven chemicals in every vaccine, there’s no Cylon solution, you know, and so their knowledge they they’re not being educated with the ingredients. So that doesn’t get doctors to think, and they don’t have time to do their own research largely. Plus, medical practitioners also get bonuses for going to conferences where they can get selective information. And, in fact, if they see stuff that’s outside their education, and they were to present it to a patient that told in the medical regulations that they must present that in their as their personal opinion, if they’ve seen the risks of vaccines, and it’s not something that’s been presented to them, endorsed by the Medical Board of Australia, they must present it as their personal opinion. So of course that takes away the the full credibility of what they’re saying. But then what also can happen? Is that an insurance thing as well, yes, well, actually their registration to practice so what also will happen is if someone finds out that they’ve been saying that to a patient, then they can be reported now to the Australian health practitioners regulatory board, and the regulatory board might consider that anti vaccination material and that’s all you need to get a doctor or nurse D registered, it just has to be what the whatever decides is anti vaccination material, and that doctor or nurse or allied health professional will be deregistered. And they’re told they’re not allowed to put any stuff on social media. That is anti vaccination. So it’s that definition of anti vaccination. And if you dig a bit deeper into that, well, anti vaccination, what are the risks of the vaccines? So they’re dismissing the risks of vaccines as being anti vaccination,

 

Bryn 

or they see an injury,

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Vaccine Injury like in Australia, we’ve got health ministers that literally say vaccines do not have side effects. And it that’s disgraceful. And that was the Victorian health minister Gillian Hennessy. She said that, and, you know, again, Greg hunt, or any of Roger cook, Roger cook, we put up a great Billboard. I think that was 2018. Huge, absolutely huge. Do you know what is in a vaccine? So perfect question. Yeah. Roger cork as the Minister for Health and who said that is a risk to public health. We must legislate to prevent people, you know, asking these questions putting this up. That’s a quote from Roger cook, live. We must legislate to prevent this sort of questioning of vaccines. You know, we’re not allowed to put this information out. But I mean, the opposite is true. It’s literally George Orwell, you cannot have health if you do not ask. And that’s what I say to parents. It’s your responsibility as a parent to find out what you’re injecting directly into the bloodstream of your infant. And even if the chemicals make no sense to you, you know, that is your responsibility as a parent and and to ask the doctor, you know, what is in a vaccine and to see what they know. But But the idea that you’re socially irresponsible, if you don’t vaccinate, you know, that is completely bogus. It the parents the parents responsibility to find out what they’re actually injecting into a newborn infant. And I promise you if you saw the list of ingredients, most people would just simply say, you must be ridiculous. I wouldn’t put that in my

 

Bryn 

name. Okay, more and more choosy about the stuff we eat.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Absolutely. But that’s Mr. Public Health. If you put up a question, do you know what’s in the vaccine?

 

Bryn 

But you could ask what you know, do you know what’s in your food? That’s right.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

And it’s critical information. And as I said, like with the ingestion of food, you’ve got your first line of defence, which keeps out a lot of the cap, yes, this pig, an injection of straighting. They’ve got access to every every organ of the body, including the brain, because your blood brain barrier doesn’t filter out that sort of stuff until six months. But this is going in and this is

 

Bryn 

listening to the whole chain of things. Is this.

 

 

The

 

Bryn 

is capitalism gone mad? And its its impact on the, you know, it’s infiltration and into democracy, media, education, health, you know,

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

it is a neoliberal agenda. Everything you’ve said

 

Bryn 

yes, you know, it’s all money, money, money, impacts, money impacts it all. All the way through easy. Yeah, easy. Capitalism.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Mental essentially what happened was in 1985, the capitalist economic model of health was adopted fully, and that it’s based on the near liberalist agenda. And it was in 1995, with Reagan that the pharmaceutical companies are all indemnity, that they’re indemnified for any liability to injury from vaccines. And it was ronald reagan that pushed that through about 1986. And they were, well, the the pharmaceutical companies were saying that, that it was too expensive to make vaccines because they were having to pay for all this compensation for injuries, so they would have to stop making vaccines. So So regardless of the fact that the vaccines didn’t control the diseases, Ronald Reagan pushed through that, that legislation that removed all liability from vaccine manufacturers. You say the fact that most vaccines licenced in the US? Yep, means that vaccine manufacturers don’t have any liability because

 

Bryn 

the effects sold out of that. So all the liability goes,

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Well, that’s right. Australia, they don’t get the vaccine from the US under a different name. So it’s approved in Australia under a different name to all the other countries where they get the same vaccine. And, and there’s no, the vaccine manufacturers don’t have any liability because it was licenced in the US. And no other clinical trials are done in the Australian population before it’s used. But it has you know, it’ll have a different name in Australia to what it has in other countries.

 

Bryn 

What’s it going to take for the public to wake up to what’s going on here because if it’s happening vaccines, he could easily have happened with the decisions around Coronavirus. It could easily have been happening with so many other things. quality of our water and other things. What does it you know, he food and the standards of food that you know what put in the water, I can think of a number of things where this could be flying out. And if, if the if the underlying pattern of behaviours that I spoke about about 10 minutes ago is going on here. There’s no reason to suggest it’s not going on elsewhere.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

But it is it’s happening

 

 

in your mind, yes. Yeah. for everyone to perma frenzy.

 

 

This is why

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

this is right. And you see without a mainstream media prepared to put forward the public interest in vaccination policies. We’re literally being censored by the mainstream media and the lies and defamation of anybody who speaks up. So so we’ve got we’ve we’re, what we need is a grassroots move. Knowing that we don’t have a mainstream media to help us get there, and the framing the media’s framing of this issue is in line with the education system. So they’re in sync with. That’s why it’s been so difficult, because and that they have achieved so much. And with the political system that we have, you see the pump, the pump donations and lobbying system whereby you don’t have to declare a donation until it’s above $13,000. And that’s not done in a timely manner. And also, you can put in many, several small donations under 13,000. And that’s hidden for a long time before the public knows,

 

Bryn 

turned to donations of 10,000.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

That’s right. Exactly. Smell money, a lot of money. And you see our politicians are being bought by the donations and lobbying system. We know now that

 

Bryn 

politicians are strongly influenced all the time. thing?

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Yes, yeah. So if we change the you need to change make the politicians accountable. We need to change the donation and lobbying system. We need to get back in media see once you don’t have an independent media, and we don’t or diversity of ownership, we’ve lost that as well. 80% owned by Murdoch. And Murdoch is one of the at the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute, which he started up with, you know, they’re making, they’re the largest developer of vaccines. So you see the framing, that’s how the framing of this issue to the public is vaccines have been put up there as being so beneficial to mankind and it’s put through the education system and the media. So there’s your indoctrination. It’s literally brainwashing. I went to the the Human Rights Commission’s public conversation on human rights put on last year in October and I made a point of saying that Rosalind Croucher, the president of the Human Rights Commission, and, you know, asked her why is it that medical freedom in Australia isn’t being discussed in in her conversation in the human rights Commission’s conversation on on human rights and most fundamental human rights is medical freedom, control of our own bodies sovereignty? Absolutely. Once you’ve lost the right to choose what you inject into your own body, there is no freedom. The government can choose whatever they want to inject in there and they already are, you know, with their children. We’ve given our children either literally parents didn’t fight. No pay and play is in because money that’s they’ve, you know, they were bribed. So the bribery on top of the indoctrination is what’s happening. And Jocelyn Croucher was very enlightening in her response to how this is happening, because of course, I discussed it as medical freedom, as fully informed consent to all medical Coal interventions. And then I brought in vaccines also with vaccines, I mean in the Australian immunisation handbook. Vaccines must be given without manipulation or pressure or coercion. And they must be from in fully informed consent. That’s how it’s presented. Yet as soon as the vaccine word was brought up, oh, I’m pro vaccine. You know, I’m pro vaccine, and we couldn’t have the conversation. Now, where’s the Nuremberg Code here, you know, the fully informed consent to all medications. This isn’t a debate about pro or anti this medical procedure. This isn’t about a debate about the right to be fully informed about this medical procedure. None of us have started from an anti vaccination position as such, that that label is being used to into implying that these are only educated people that are simply against the procedure. The opposite is true. You know, the people who are questioning vaccines are the ones that have investigated the science. And it would be more truthful to say where x faxes or non vaxxers. In my case, I am a non vaxxer now, but there are many people that would like to use some vaccines. And then you know, so selective vaccination choice in vaccination,

 

Bryn 

and you’re comfortable with this and this but not with that.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

That’s exactly right. And with so many vaccines in the pipeline, and people should realise that there, there’s already 200 in the process being developed. What is their limit for putting them in the body? But you see by hiding the ingredients of vaccines, from doctors ad from the public, they’ve large and by only putting in and by exaggerating the benefits of vaccines through the media constantly. It’s a constant thing. Yeah, vaccines, a great vaccine, save the world. Vaccines control these diseases, and we need a 95% uptick right?

 

 

We should have one for the Middle East. fix problems. Yeah.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

So but if you look deeper at them, okay, so how are they Promoting vaccines. It’s not not by Statistics showing improvement in health. Now, that’s what a health policy should be. It should be being promoted on the improvements in health and it’s causing the government can’t do that, because health has gone down significantly. What the government says is, oh, we must have a 95% uptake rate of all of these vaccines to control the disease. So that implies that leaves you to assume, oh, higher vaccination rate means good health, better health, our children movie, no creation of implication, it’s simply an assumption. So it said the promoting around higher vaccination rates and they call it immunisation. Even that’s false, because many people don’t get immunity after a vaccine. Yeah. So the government is Act and the media incorrectly promoting these immunisation policies. They’re not by our vaccination policies, and most of us are getting immunity from natural infection mostly Which is asymptomatic? Yep. All mild cases which are self limiting and, and give us long term immunity.

 

Bryn 

What do you say to anyone who’s listening to this? Who, you know? I mean, there’s a lot to take on. Right? This is quickly gone beyond vaccines.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Political The issue is political and

 

Bryn 

its scientific. And it can be just so bloody confronting for someone because it’s all of a sudden, like, Oh my god, the people out there that are supposed to be looking after me are not.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

No, that’s, it’s a it’s actually an abuse of public trust. And that, that is what scare is so scary. And it’s sad. We’ve reached this point. But people do have to recognise that they do need to do their research, investigate for themselves, but also, trust your instincts. Humans have survived through common sense and instincts. That’s how we have evolved and survived. And that’s what we need. Now, you know, common sense needs to come back into the equation. You know, honestly, someone must be laughing with this cocktail of chemicals. You know, I’m saying you can inject that safely into humans in a developing infant, without any consequences. You know, what medical drug can can have no side effects, there is none. Parents need to start thinking of this as a drug. And understanding that ingredients make a difference to your body, you know, just like they do with food. It’s critical with vaccines as well. So do their own research and the public will have to fight because we do not have a media. So if they and if we give in now, it’s a slippery slope. If you just complies That’s right, the the flu vaccine was a point in case a case in point because with this aged care facilities, I haven’t been able to see my neighbour in an aged care facility because on an arbitrary decision, I’ve suddenly mandated a flu vaccine that isn’t proven effective. That isn’t related to COVID-19 at all. There’s no strains that will cover for it. That may very well make you more susceptible to COVID because it will make depression suppressed a lot of people in the system thanks for it probably has got h1 in one unit. Yes, yeah, that’s a common strain that they cover. Yeah. And but but there’s hundreds of flu strains causing flu. And they just pick out the three that they say are the dominant ones. And in this case, it has nothing to do with COVID. flu vaccines do cause death and serious illness in a lot of people due to their genetics, and their predisposition to disease. And they can suppress your immune system, so you’re more susceptible to other flu viruses. You know, it made no sense whatsoever. And the people that just went and got that flu vaccine so they could see their loved ones. Unfortunately, that means that the fight to actually prevent more the COVID-19 back saying we’ll be here soon. That was the

 

 

last question.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

It’s the ultimate goal. It’s the same as what happened.

 

Bryn 

COVID-19

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Yeah, that’s mandated. That’s it. That’s it. That’s where they’re heading.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. Yeah, you invest against it would, you

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

know, we, unless we rise up, that’s it. We need the public to actually rise up and say, no, it’s our bodies, our choice, Medicaid, and we’re healthy people

 

Bryn 

because here’s, here’s the thing, right? And, and, you know, I appreciate all the science and everything that you say. But here’s, here’s the basic piece of logic that sits on the top of this right, which backs up the backs up the whole freedom to choose, but also is respect, respectful to the vaccine theory that if vaccines are all that they are supposed to be cracked out to be protective immunised dreaded editor, then if you have it, and I don’t see, why am I a threat to you? Exactly.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

You’re not, you know exactly

 

Bryn 

all I am is a potential burden on my on the health system because I might get ill.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

It’s actually the opposite. It’s the vaccinated that get all the chronic

 

 

Yes. Yes, yes.

 

Bryn 

We’re talking, talking SSI. Just a minute.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

That’s right. If, if, if they were if they were 90% of people

 

Bryn 

have them and 90% have them right. Then attempt said, No, I don’t Yeah. Then there’s a high then in theory, there’s a possibility I could get ill or poorly, right? Which means then I become, I am no longer a burden on you are more likely to become a burden on the healthcare system, right? Because someone’s got to actually look after me because I might get ill. Well, that’s my choice. I pay my taxes. And then that’s my choice alongside you know, smoking, drinking and all the other things which might lead health you know, lifestyle things, which might then lead me To also draw on the healthcare system, which I meant to do because I pay my taxes.

 

 

That’s right. So

 

Bryn 

even even even if all of everything you’ve listened to in this entire podcast is too much. That’s why right? Ask yourself this right? If they are all they’re cracked up to be, and you decide to have one, why are you worried about whether I my kids, or my friend or my neighbor’s kids have had it or not? That’s because makes no glow around you. You’re protected.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

If they work, you’re protected. That’s exactly correct. And no parents should be worried about any unvaccinated child because it’s not gonna affect your chest that blows Meteor out. Yep, yep. Yeah. That’s the biggest myth that you would have to wonder how they succeeded. Yeah. Because people getting people to believe it. It’s almost like it’s laughable.

 

Bryn 

A completely laughable, it’s almost like taking the it’s almost like taking the punch that’s coming towards you and pulling it the other direction.

 

 

Okay, I’ll go with you. But this is where

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

it’s headed. Is your logical? Yeah. And but could I just add to that? Because, you know, the science, you know, it’s on top of that the science should speak for itself. You know, so so educated people are gonna have the vaccines if it’s showing that they’re effective. So, you know, when educated people are choosing either to be selective or to not vaccinate, you know, that’s another wake up call to people. But this and when the media start censoring this information, people should be waking up, you know, why if this, you know, the science should speak for itself, and if they’re having to censor it, then it’s not standing up to scrutiny.

 

 

Yeah. Yeah.

 

Bryn 

So I’ve got a couple more questions left for you. And

 

 

if

 

Bryn 

I am watching this, I’m listening to this. And I’m like, Oh my gosh, my kids have had quite a lot of vaccines, which means they’ve had quite a lot of junk pumped into them. Do you now have things out there that we can look at to start cleaning ourselves out? Yes. From the damage, because you’re talking about like earlier on. Mass, like big exposure, cumulative, cumulative exposure to aluminium and stuff like that, and possibly other

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

heavy mercury flu vaccine, the multi multi dose vials of flu vaccine.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, so that’s a lot of heavy metals in there. That’s, are there things that we can be doing to clean ourselves out? If we’ve come to this epiphany I found in our family have already been this far into the the multi vaccination journey. Are there things that we can do?

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Yeah, well, firstly, I’d like to just let people know that I mean, your quality of life depends upon the decision you make with vaccines. Yeah, there will be many parents out there today who are full time carers for their children because of this vaccine schedule. Yeah, the genetics and the number of genetic diseases. is over 500 the paper can be predisposed to. So it is a very important decision that they’re making the parents are making they need to investigate for themselves. The science, just, you know, you don’t need a PhD. That’s what I literally I resented actually having to do a romance. Yeah, you know, common sense is enough, investigate the ingredients. Know that, you know, an unvaccinated child isn’t a risk to society. And in fact, because the diseases, the deaths from these diseases were reduced prior to all the vaccines being introduced, as we said earlier, oh, yeah. That in itself, you don’t have to be fearful of infectious diseases. It’s the media that’s creating that fear. And so, yeah, in terms of being confident and being strong with the decision you make, I mean, it just comes back to those logical things that we just said then you know, knowing what the ingredients are knowing what controls infectious diseases, knowing the vested interests that are in this policy and how the political system works. Money is power that that’s a key thing to remember because it’s the scientific network with the most money. And of course, pharmaceutical companies. This is now a billion dollar $50 billion industry with these vaccines are very successful. They call them the HPV vaccine same was called the Golden Age of vaccines. You know, it’s literally one of the most fraudulent on the market. Because it hasn’t proved to prevent any cervical cancer. They, again, they used a surrogate, so I won’t go into the into the science there but and also cervical cancer wasn’t a risk in developed countries when this was brought in. What happens here is that they give scientists awards such as Australian of the Year so to sell the HPV vaccine in 2007. They awarded Professor Ian Fraser, one of the developments of this vaccine who’s Australian Australian of the Year award in January. And then it literally it was a fact the pharmaceutical companies designed the marketing programme for doctors to present they designed all the slides. I’ve had this research published in journals in infectious agents and cancer journal. And so it was a pharmaceutically designed promotion campaign. There was the risk of cervical cancer to women in 2007 1.7 per 100,000 women was the death rate. And that’s very low. It’s extremely low. It wasn’t one of the cancers that we were even talking about. But if you give the Australian of the Year to the maker of the vaccine, and then you push doctors a pushing this vaccine through a promote a campaign that’s promoted by the pharmaceutical companies, again, you create the market,

 

Bryn 

create the momentum, Michelle, the landscape

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

hide the injuries, and that that same had three times as many serious adverse events than any other vaccine on the market. Right now. It had doubled the aluminium as well. And now they’ve tripled that the death rate to I don’t know off the top of my head recently, but there is a if people want information on the HPV vaccine, there’s a global website called same sex. So it was safe and effective and for affordable vaccines, abbreviated to sign.vax.org. And that is global. And it has presented all the deaths, paralysis, serious injuries globally from the different countries and campaigns that they’ve had Japan even put, they had a moratorium on the HPV vaccine in 2014. You know, and and our government has just simply ignored all the serious side effects and said that they don’t happen and now they don’t even acknowledge a lot of them. Yeah, so

 

Bryn 

tell me about what you’ve learned about your self.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Well, I guess because it is, it’s not crazy thing to do

 

 

and started off as a science teacher. Yes.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

That’s right, um, because you lose your reputation in one sense. But also there’s a lot of people recognising what’s going on. And they’re writing to me all the time. And that’s what keeps me strong. You’ve also got to think of what sort of a world you’re gonna leave your children. And if you don’t, as I said, if you don’t have your body, there’s no freedom.

 

 

So that’s what kept me going.

 

 

We had to dig deep Jerry.

 

 

Yeah, absolutely.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Yeah, I mean, the attack on your reputation and the Wikipedia entries, and of course the media is quite the the bullying and intimidation through the media means that even your friends who have scientific backgrounds or whatever, if their job depends on Upon believing, which, of course, people are targeted in their jobs, they know that if they question vaccines, that they will be sidelined from their positions. So it’s actually not straightforward as to who, and if people won’t read your stuff, if they just believe the spin, and most people won’t, who’s going to read a PhD? Even academics have said to me, I’m not going to read your PhD, you know, and so on the bloodier. So they prefer to listen to the spin that comes through the mainstream media or Wikipedia. And therefore, you know, they they feel justified in their decisions, and of course, that they then does put a bit of a barrier between even some of your close friends, so that has been hard to tackle. But the public’s gradually waking up and, you know, I stand tall because, you know, I’ve put the science out there for scrutiny and The public officials, such as Peter MacIntyre, who’s headed our vaccination programme in Australia for 22 years. He won’t publish his PhD that he did in 1994 of the haemophilus influenza B vaccine. He won’t put that up on the University of Sydney website. It’s available through Document Delivery for students, but it’s not there for public scrutiny of the community like mine has been because which and man was good point. Okay. He was the one that wouldn’t come to the debate the q&a in 2015 to defend the government’s policy. And I will point out to everybody listening that in 2018, he was involved in leaking my expert witness report for a court case involving a parent who didn’t want to vaccinate her four children. And the court case was due to be heard in December. He was drafted into the case in September of 2018. And at the same time, my expert witness report for that court case was leaked to the Sydney Morning Herald. And Peter McIntyre, the head of Australia’s programme for 20 years, was quoted providing false information about me and my qualifications. And they quoted directly from this affidavit out of context, calling me an anti vaxxer. Now leaking an affidavit for an expert witness record is a criminal offence. And I was required to advise to report that to the Australian Federal Police, which I did, and I didn’t that was in January 2019. And there was no response. They did not respond. So I’ve got the documentation. I’ve got Peter McIntyre’s submitted affidavits for

 

Bryn 

the legal system.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Well, that’s it. That’s it. There’s a lot of corruption happening here in the public’s voice. There’s many ways in which the public’s voice has been removed from policy decisions on vaccines and this very idea But it’s a medical issue. It’s not as a public health issue. And And what they did was, it’s their public health being. It was called social medicine at one point because it wasn’t an issue that was controlled through, as I mentioned, the political and economic decisions, and nutrition and other, you know, non medical interventions. But in the 90s, when they knew they wanted to control that knowledge, it was merged under the umbrella of medical advice under vaccinology, you know, so vaccines, of course, are a medical intervention, but they’re one for healthy people. And pain. Parents need to recognise that we’re born with a fully functioning child with with an immune system and digestive system that needs to develop without interference.

 

 

Yeah, I mean, this thing, yes, it is incredibly self contained. It’s incredible.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

We were on drugs,

 

Bryn 

the stuff it does is incredible. And I find Whether it’s vaccine or or stay at home because the nasty Coronavirus is going to come and get you stuff like that. Every time it’s like, no, this external thing can come in and compromise you in here. Now, this thing is incredible. The more I, you know, I’m flippo I’m

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

born with an immune system that fights off these diseases

 

Bryn 

and does all sorts of things. You know, it strikes me that the biggest threat to this is fear and concern and worry and stress and

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

control, any drug that you put in your body is going to have a side effect. We know even panadol and so that that’s another, you know, evil thing really to to have classified it as a biologic instead of a drug. Again, that sort of takes away the connotation, doesn’t it? And that’s how this is all worked, you know, vaccine preventable diseases. That’s a label, but as I said, they haven’t been proof that the vaccines prevent disease with those definitive statistics of is it the vaccinated or the unvaccinated children that are getting the diseases it could be easily proven, but they brought in that label. So after they moved public health under the medical umbrella, they then started calling infectious diseases, vaccine preventable diseases. So, you know, again, that goes with the indoctrination through the education system. And you call it an immunisation policy instead of a vaccination policy. Two different words. vaccines, you may not get immunity after you’d have a vaccine, but they’ve called it an immunisation policy, implying that you always get immunity. You said underlying

 

Bryn 

It is such an immunisation policy would be include nutrition and mental well being

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Yes, yes. Making sure your system function yet to a peak to appeal to the peak that it Yeah. And you see if you don’t get that natural priming of with infectious diseases, Exposure when you’re young, then the immune system doesn’t get that long term immunity that it needs. Yeah. And they know that infectious diseases such as measles, chicken pox and those whooping cough ones that you’re meant to get in childhood exposure, if you get them as an adult,

 

Bryn 

probably have vivid memories. Oh,

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

yeah. Yeah, that’s right. measles parties or whatever. Yeah. Chicken Pox parties. Yeah. So if you get those diseases as an adolescent or older, they’re much more serious. You say? Yes. So it is important that children get exposed to the viruses, particularly over the age of one year, you know, over six months is generally fine. Most deaths occur under six months if there’s a problem, but it’s, you know, in a developed country, it’s unlikely, you see, so unlikely, and, you know, certainly over the age of one year, they’re meant to get these diseases to get that long term immunity and that’s where herd immunity came from. So the pharmaceutical companies have to taken these arguments and applied them to vaccines, you say, and that’s really, you know, the evil thing. They’ve turned everything upside down. It’s the argument of natural exposure that I wonder why they shouldn’t be applying to

 

Bryn 

when do I Sweden is immune to this?

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

That’s right. And in fact, in 2014, or 15, they actually said they will not be mandating any vaccine in the population. It is against their constitution, and they are aware of the serious health risks of vaccines. So it was stated in around 2014 15. The thing is, what happens is the government with the depends how much the government has been influenced by pharmaceutical lobbying. That’s what’s happening with different governments in different countries. So you know, whether the Swedish government is going to be affected later by pharmaceutical influence, we don’t know it’ll be interesting to see what happens with the COVID-19 vaccine which gates assures us is the end solution. That’s he’s actually stated that in and we’ve been told by numerous people and, you know, Prime Minister himself saying, Are we not? We’re not going to finish the lockdown or the size, social distancing until we have a vaccine. You know,

 

Bryn 

right there.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

There it is. There it is. Right? And who funds the Guardian regarding Global Health Policy and the ABC and the BBC, Bill Gates Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. So you see, even the Guardian is not independent on this vaccine issue. And all mainstream media being influenced by pharmaceutical funding in what they’re saying and then fixing, selling, promoting vaccines. It’s what makes money.

 

Bryn 

Last question I asked all my guests, is if you could take a nugget of information and just upload it into the collective consciousness, so everyone just gets it. What would it be?

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

With regards to vaccines,

 

Bryn 

it can be anything you want. That’s your forum.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

Well, I mean, you know, this is, I guess human rights is such a big issue and for me, you know, it’s it’s our bodies, what you know, what we put into them is is our decision. And I think people need to understand that, you know, we will if we lose that, that right to choose what we put in that job in our bodies, there is no freedom in society. That is the fundamental one, even more than clean air and clean water. You know, and by by accepting mandatory vaccination, you are literally giving your body to the government, as we’ve said, and, you know, people need to wake up and just start reframing this whole debate and recognising that it’s indoctrination. You know, a lot of the nurses and doctors are so indoctrinated as well and money can’t you know, they There’s also the money, they lose money if they look outside the square and they lose their job. So I do understand

 

 

their little sheet that keeps them in the pocket.

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

That’s it. That’s it. Yeah. And even with the autism issue, the autism Institute’s lose their government funding, if there’s any suggestion that that seems cause autism, and yet 100% of the children in the autistic centres would be vaccinated.

 

Bryn 

It’s been absolutely fascinating, riveting talking to you today. If anybody wants to follow you find out more where where can they find you?

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

My website vaccination decisions dotnet. And if they could sign up to my newsletter to find out to keep in touch with how we’re fighting this issue in Australia, and also, globally, I, my newsletters go globally, and I do keep in touch with what’s happening in other countries. So yes, it’s very important that To get a grassroots movement, people need to start connecting with people in Australia signing their own, like minded groups within the states. And we’re helping people get to get into those groups so they can look after, you know, look after each other’s children and fight to keep our bodies Don’t, don’t comply, you know, because you feel powerless because we’re almost at the critical mass whereby the doctors and nurses will have to start acting with integrity soon, as opposed to protecting their jobs, because I know many of them want to speak out. But it is a big step. But some, you know, the more people that are educated and have investigated for themselves, and the stronger we become, and we can make make a difference. We can, we can change.

 

Bryn 

Judy, thank you so much for your talk,

 

Dr. Judy Wilyman 

sir. Thank you. Thank you for coming.

Comments

  1. Excellent. Thank you Judy and Bryn. I now have a good understanding of every point made about the entire dynamic here in Australia. Judy, I applaud your stoicism. You are a heroine to many Aussies.

  2. Very good interview, thank you Judy and Bryn. Have just read Judy’s book “Vaccination”, based on her PhD, which I highly recommend. It can be ordered via her “Vaccination Decisions” website. No wonder Big Pharma tried so hard to shut you down. Your research comprehensively undermines their whole fraudulent, unhealthy, callous, lucrative vaxx agenda.
    Bill Gates, I hope you will be at the head of the queue for a covid-19 vaxx…you will get what you richly deserve!

  3. Julie thoroughly enjoyed the interview. You are an amazing lady keep up the good work!!!

  4. Thank you so much for being so brave and determined
    Truth is truth and we know you are standing for we the people and are defending the truth for us all.
    Our leaders are corrupt to the core and you are exposing their corruption..
    thank you

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