#188 You’re always in the flow of Spirit – Shaun Nannup

This week I had a beautiful but firm and honest conversation with Shaun Nannup, who describes himself as a human being, indigenous man and father.

Spirit was quite a common element in the conversation with Shaun. He spoke about softening the body, the heart and the mind to receive messages, about overcoming the need for control and to trust in spirit and also how we’re always in the flow of spirit, even when we feel like we might be disconnected.

Shaun also spoke about how in times of radical change, much like we are in now, how we need to be brutally honest and truthful with ourselves; otherwise life will go and live on elsewhere. Listen out for when Shaun shares his analogy about handing out life jackets on a sinking ship.

Shaun is a beautiful man, he’s really softly but commandingly spoken. He says how often it’s a challenge, strangely enough, to fully appreciate life. However, listening and truly sitting with this conversation will help you to close that gap.

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Bryn 

This week, I had a beautiful, but firm and honest conversation with Shaun Nannup, who describes himself as a human being indigenous man and father.

 

Spirit was quite a common element in what Shaun was talking about. He spoke about softening the body, the heart and the mind to receive messages, about overcoming the need for control and to trust in spirit and also how we’re always in the flow of spirit, even when we feel like we might be disconnected.

 

Shaun also spoke about how in times of radical change, much like we are in now, particularly when we consider the impact of the rhythm that we are in right now. How we need to be brutally honest and truthful with ourselves. Otherwise, life will go and live on elsewhere. Particularly listen out for when Sean provides his analogy around, handing out life jackets on a sinking ship.

 

Shaun is a beautiful man, and he’s really softly but commandingly spoken. And often, as he puts forward, often it’s a challenge, strangely enough, to fully appreciate life. And I’m pretty sure if you spend a bit of time listening and really soaking on what Shawn has to say. You’ll feel like you’re just that a little bit closer. So enjoy Shaun.

 

Bryn 

Hello, welcome back to WA Real. I’m your host, Bryn Edwards. Today, I have the great pleasure of talking with Shaun Nannup, Shaun, Welcome.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Thank you very much for having me. Yeah,

 

Bryn 

welcome to my kitchen table.

 

Shaun Nannup 

It’s lovely.

 

Bryn 

So first off, thank you very much for making time to come and talk to me. Super appreciative. And, and I thought it’d be fun to talk about talking to one another. Yeah. As I said just before, and it strikes me that more and more, we are not actually sitting down and talking to one another, as well, as we could always listening as well as we could. And more and more were interacting online and in device it with devices and that is becoming divisive. And so yeah, I’m keen to hear your views on that sort of thing.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Yeah, once again, on most things that you’re talking about, is identifying how we communicate, it can be a thing that we do within our own right. Or it can be something that’s done unconsciously or by our surroundings. And so communicating is, is what we believe everyone is doing, regardless wouldn’t be on the final or talking or, you know, just being in the prison of somebody can be a great communication skill is required. Quiet. Yeah. So, yes, definitely, the voice and having intimacy I think the intimacy is the key is that when you your body present, and you’re connecting to somebody physically, there’s an intimacy there. So I think, at some point in our life, or over the, over the last decades of, of our existence, I think, some people were starting to see, that is quite confronting to be in the room with somebody and to meet people now, sometimes, yeah, married at first sight. Never met him. Oh, here we go. So you get married, and then all of a sudden, you got to figure it out. And

 

Bryn 

that in and of itself, or you just said this before the burial at first sight there that we’re now getting to the place where we find meeting other people confronting. It’s kind of sad, isn’t it?

 

Shaun Nannup 

Absolutely. And we see this, if you want to get to know me, you can swipe me left or right. Yes. So no, and that, you know, here’s my general things that I want out of life and what I wished for, and then all of a sudden, there’s a list and if you tick those boxes, and if I do then yeah, there’s a chance we can actually physically mate and, and then you you want to have an intimacy chat, but, but you feel uncomfortable, because it’s what’s already been on the website. It’s already been on my, I’ve already set it all. And so, you know, we’re how we start to, to engage with people is beyond the words you know, and it’s just a feeling and sometimes that that’s where acumen find that struggle when we look at our history or why we’re going forward or the environment that we’re living in feeling is not really the greatest negotiator in

 

Bryn 

They can really hijack things.

 

Shaun Nannup 

It definitely can. So it’s more about feeling, how are you going with intimacy or connection? Are you okay to be in a space with something or someone that, that serves you or, or challenges you, in some ways, as well as serving quite nice when we get challenged by being in a space of others.

 

Bryn 

So, you’re telling me when we first spoke on the phone about taking people on country? Do you see a lot of those barriers sort of crumbling down, as you take people on the country and you share stories

 

Shaun Nannup 

of people intimate, me connected, I’ll just Google it, and look at the rivers and the trees and go, Well, that’s pretty or what couldn’t imagine being in our country, because it’s nice. And as you know, the normal way of being never been over a hill of colour Mandarin, or, you know, it’s just those little things that we build up in our mind in our hearts. And then we start to, to give it too much power, we get a lot of power, negatives and positives. And so for us to get people in country and have a chance to connect. It’s breaking down some of those, those beliefs that were put into our heads, and all of a sudden, they start building relationships and having an intimate chat, or connection with the river. which then makes it much easier for the group around because or people around them. Because when you when you do for when you generally do for many, yeah, all of a sudden, it’s our all the foods cooking, and everyone’s just really tired stories. And, and yeah, beautiful conversation. I think the world needs. Yeah. Oh, just letting monstery tech to another to another. You know, it’s quite natural for us to to unlock a story that reminds us of a time. Yeah. When someone provokes it. Talking about oh, I saw this today. Oh, yeah. That’s part of my life. I’ve done that, you know? Yeah. And when I was there, and this happened to be a bit different, but we start to share them. Yeah. Doesn’t have to be. Well, this is talked on.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. And that itself, just actually saying, This is talk time. Let’s just sit down. Let’s just explore, just tell stories. It doesn’t have to go somewhere. I don’t have to convince you. I don’t have to win an argument.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Yep. This bit things be and enjoy the moments. You know, it doesn’t need to know everything. And have to have all the answers. Goodness gracious. That’s, that’s, that’s really stressful.

 

Bryn 

But it is.

 

Shaun Nannup 

And we just we want to serve the possibility. We put so much energy as possibilities invisible, invisible being well, if I don’t know this, then I can have this conversation the future but don’t know that then I can’t put myself in that position of that environment or their community or whatever it might be. So it’s null and void. I can’t do it. Because we’ve come up with this preconceived idea that unless I do this, then I can’t do that. And so some people won’t go and country and let’s say go with an Aboriginal person, because this culture is supposed to be for Aboriginal people. And so people go the country.

 

 

You know,

 

Shaun Nannup 

people do a lot of stuff, but it’s not culture. Why is that culture of it? It’s gotta be done in Aboriginal way. Well, we go for a swim like you do not sure where this got us into.

 

Bryn 

That’s very interesting idea that Yeah, we are we put up these blocks. If this than that, and if not this, then I can’t that.

 

Shaun Nannup 

And it’s it’s Juniper, wanting to feel safe, or have a sense of control. And in the world of control, and you straightaway start to realise you’re behind the eight ball. As part of our journey, as we grow into ourselves, we find, we want to try and do our best and try I mean, literally try and fail at the same time in wanting to make sure that we have a sense of safety through the idea of control and manipulation. This is not possible.

 

Bryn 

However, you’re asking how have you navigated that process, probably rising urge to want to control things.

 

Shaun Nannup 

It’s been a long journey for me, but together in a nutshell It’s understanding that, you know, we lose ourselves and our sense of being to this idea that this if we have a sense of ownership over something in, we can feel that we’ve got great work. And then we have a sense of, this is who I am, this is what I am by adding all these things to us. And, and if we don’t succeed in some of those things, and we don’t feel whole, we don’t feel full. And that’s where it can be very tough for people to go through the life feeling as though they’re empty. Because they haven’t achieved a certain degree, or a certain car status or community status or working status. And we just want to control by going to all the things that we need to get the right vision that we wish to be. But accepting who we are. And knowing that we can control anything.

 

Bryn 

It’s quite existentially confronting, when I imagine when you go, what I found it when you realise, oh, I’ve got all these stories that have been given to me handed to me, I’ve taken them on board, do this, followed by this, followed by this, and then I’ll take me to this place, and then I’ll have the thing and I’ll have the lifestyle and etc, etc. And then to get to a place where you realise this is not really me. It’s not what I want. It’s not bringing what I want. And then to go. This is not what I want. What do I want? Oh, and who’s the person who wants? Yeah, and then it’s Welcome to the abyss.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Yep. And we can see that in work, we can see it in relationships. We always want this and we put all these great big, you know, things that surrounded us say, look how we’re gonna have, and then the partner might get up and walk away. Or the job stops for some reason. So well, okay. Things aren’t really so cemented in, yeah, controlled in a way that we can humbly say, we’ll be there for the rest of your life. We can’t exist like that. And so in positive and negative. So there’s the separation that you’re talking about. I’m talking to one another, you can’t survive. We have to connect, we have to talk. And here we are. Because it’s an innate theme that naturally drives us to, to maintain connection to what we know so many over 1000s and 1000s. of years.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. Yeah. And that’s what I find fascinating. The 1000s and 1000s of years, sit down, tell stories, explain things, unlock knowledge, past knowledge and wisdom

 

Shaun Nannup 

misses the core essence of us. And there’s certain ways of connection to culture and to people in life. And so for, for what my teaching of the grannies have been lucky to be around. Yeah, you need to be body present. Yep. And then to learn,

 

 

that means,

 

Shaun Nannup 

physically, physically, the mind present in the heart, present, and soul present, which is spirituality. So those four things are generally what we do our best to identify from the get go. And so we ask you to soften your mind, soften your heart, soften your body, so that when you go to the soft place where everything is blended, and so in action in thought, and then heart in your mind that you start to hurt, sorry. And in spirituality, you start to realise that you know, they’re one. And by bus, by using your breath through meditation, it softens straightaway, your heart rate and your body starts to relax and your mind starts to relax. And then naturally, your spirituality comes out through our

 

Bryn 

spirituality. Just so yeah. How do you feel so be? So you’re like that. So

 

Shaun Nannup 

it’s something that is infinite? It’s Yeah, there is no explanation is that it’s just so sometimes people call the spacing between notes. And it just naturally flows. It’s that space. It really gives the notes it’s It’s rhythm. And so spiritually can be a place where, where we we should speak from for everything. And that’s where there is no, you may, there was no, Aboriginal Japanese, Scottish, French, there’s nothing like that. Yeah, it’s just life. All right. And so when we get beyond this body, we go to this smell, taste touch here and see. So you can imagine if you, if you talk, if you start talking to you, and you want to fill your brain with all the information, you just need to just get all the information not to feel the country. Yeah. Not with your body, or your heart. And all this stuff happening. I’ve got to fill my heart with all this stuff. And so I try, we’re willing to risk them. Yeah, so which one we fail? As a teacher or a support? I’ve got to figure out, do I feed your mind? And does it serve? What does it serve? Or should I feed your heart? And wash your feed your body just give you some goofy water? Or should I feed your soul? And if you feed your soul, every other part lines up? You get it?

 

Bryn 

Yeah.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Yeah. And so that’s for us as Aboriginal people, we talk from spirituality first. And if you find it hard to soften your brain, it’s okay. To keep talking and keep chatting about the Brain Stuff will be here present fighting for your mind to rest. And then the soul will speak and then we’ll bench it and feed that. Yeah. Your hearts too caught up in all the world changing? Oh, yeah. Okay, well, we’ll just wait and be present when that energy drops and you soften, will share this great wisdom of that speaks for all things. Wow. Boy. I stopped to listen, and I hope I’m in tune with that. And then I then mark with intent.

 

Bryn 

Sorry, you mark with intent. Meaning,

 

Shaun Nannup 

if you a young girl, who’s an artist, honey, just fantastic. Catching up within a few minutes. Don’t get to see. And, and I remember Shane Pickett teaching me get through this block. great artists shine real good brother he’s passed on now. And you all have this paint in front of me all the time. So come on, just get it get into it. And I’m like, I’ve got this block here, overthinking emotional blockage and all that sort of stuff. And he just said Close your eyes, just move the pain. And open your eyes and you’ll see that your energy is just their spirituality. Yeah. Try not to control the pain to try and control everything by your visual. Hmm. So it was really hard. I couldn’t do it. He did a lot. You’ll see some of these paintings. Now, sir, when he is painting a lot of his last work, which was a great series of art. And, and this young girl said to me, she said, Oh, my teacher used to say mark with intent. And he’d get me to close my eyes and mark this with a beautiful energy of spirituality or sense of flow. Try not to control it, manipulate it. And so this flow is beautiful. It just presents itself and all of a sudden, it just takes us on shape, and life. And people go wow, How’d you do that? Well, that space in between. I try to give you what it is and try to explain it then might confuse you. Yeah. And your brain will go. Yeah, I might lead you astray. And I’ll just say, you know, somebody just naturally flowed. bit like the conversation we’re talking about. Next spirituality.

 

Bryn 

It’s in. I think I was sort of saying before, it’s interesting how when I first started doing these conversations, I don’t have all the all the questions. And now I have like an opening one and a closing one. And then I trust what’s going to happen? Yeah.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Right. And you see how sometimes a story or a past teaching can highlight though, you know, we’re actually in the flow of spirituality. And we see it everywhere. So when you buy a car, you think no one’s got that car. And you drive around, you see it everywhere. And man’s cars everywhere. Because you start to build a relationship with your minds in Germany getting into the rhythm of it. And so straightaway, you start to tune into things that that really affect you and connect with you. So it’s quite nice when we start to get people who We believe is way off into, you know, the disconnected world. Yes. And then they start bringing their way back. But truthfully, they’re more than likely doing something that actually is connected.

 

Bryn 

But they don’t quite see it.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Or able to celebrate it.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. Yeah, a lot more than you think.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Because spiritual is infinite. We just get to get out of the way vessels with our brain and our hearts are trying to control it too much. This world now if you sit with your people, they said, Oh, no, when we need to move because we build time when that Moon is, and that angle here generally will start to do this. And we’ll start to save out when the rivers start to do this and the temperature changes and everything. So we just flow with the MG Aranda. That’s why I say blackfire time, because we just got when I when we get there. What do you need today? Whatever is in front of me, when it when it appears when it appears? And if it’s not there? Well, they’re not good. Except that I don’t have any food.

 

 

They would be a distinct lack of anxiety in your life living.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Let’s begin to build the trust. Yes. When you’re in tune spiritually,

 

Bryn 

that’s the move from control to trust.

 

Shaun Nannup 

They have a plan for you.

 

 

They meaning spirits. Yes.

 

Shaun Nannup 

So if you could pick the pin up and put it down? Yeah. So what moved the pin? My hand? Yep. And your hands connected to me? Yep. In your mind. Yep. And we as Aboriginal people, or most people’s spirituality, we believe that the spirits asked you to move your mind. Within move the hand in which then move the pin? Yeah, sometimes we’re doing things purely beyond our even control. It’s just this is you’re on the path. There’s a lesson here and there’s a teaching you miss. Yes. It’s tougher to do. Yes. You see, they’re young. Why would you do this to me? My choices are,

 

Bryn 

I’ve observed sometimes that certainly within my own life, and then listening to other people’s stories. Often the first, the first edge teaching might be a little tap on the tap on the arm. And you ignore it. And so the next one’s like a firm thing on the arm. And you ignore it. And it’s a tap on the shoulder here. And eventually it goes on. And it’s somebody takes a branch. Metaphorically? Oh, geez. Yeah, I get it. Would you concur with that?

 

Shaun Nannup 

Absolutely. Giving yourself you know, the age thing. You know how many times we go through the journey of wanting to have a partner and we’re gonna get married at the age of 14. We just think I have a girlfriend or boyfriend, oh, my God is gonna be the biggest thing and been hurt. Because in the moment, it’s like everything and then I settled down. Don’t worry, when you get older, you have plenty of time to worry about guilt and get married and settle down right now. Just enjoy the fact that you know you’re going through your changes and hormones and all that sort of stuff as a young. But as you get older, that’ll calm down. Yeah. And so we always call young fellas don’t get married at the age of 20 or 19. Because it’s just all fresh. Yes. You know, and you’ve been? You go just give yourself some time to get in tune with yourself.

 

 

Yeah, you’ve been led by what’s going on in here

 

 

understand.

 

Shaun Nannup 

That’s okay. And then all of a sudden, three divorces? Yeah. And so, you know, sometimes the stumbling falling is quite good. Because right now we’re having a conversation because you went through a personal experience of understanding that there is this division out there. Yeah. And doing these subtle chats has given you some sense of purpose now. Yeah. And you’re feeling it?

 

 

Hmm.

 

Shaun Nannup 

How’d that come about? We believe the Spirit said, right? You know what, sometimes, you’re not gonna hear it from us. So we’ll get community and environment around data to lead you back to us.

 

Bryn 

You will be amazed or you won’t be amazed. But I am amazed. That’s semantically correct. And how many times people come in? And then it’s like, okay, yeah, I’ll bring him in for a podcast conversation. Got it? Yeah,

 

Shaun Nannup 

thank you. Everything is happening for a reason. It’s just unfortunate that, you know, when we had the takeover, or in Scotland or even England, with what’s happened within their own people, yeah. It’s just unfortunately, we have to go through some of these really tough times to get to a point of unity and love and graciousness. You know, what we do for the small waiting for the big. And so at the end of the day, we’ve got a accept that this is the grind. This is the the reality of change. And when we do come together, we’ll have that. Oh, man, yeah. Wow. You don’t have to go through all that other terrible. Yeah. And now make this carry Oh,

 

Bryn 

no, no, because I didn’t listen to that little brush on the answer. Start with Todd, listen to the little brush.

 

Shaun Nannup 

just googled it, dad, and I know how to make a curry. Okay. And you guys done it all wrong. Because we always want to go bigger, the illusion of knowledge, we want to push the boundaries of our dad do you really know, I’ll show you. And all of a sudden, we we go back to the simple basics. And just check a bit early and check a bit of add in and, and all of a sudden, it’s amazing stuff comes together. So we’ve got to do the baby steps. But we’ve got to learn at some point. throughout our life, we soften our mind and need to do all this stuff. And as I said to the group the other day earlier, I said, you know, VCR people now that their energy is very, very important to them. As you get older energy is important. Yeah, getting to to get your email. Some of the old people struggle just to get mail. Yeah. So when there’s a high energy around them, generally take a step back and not jump in. Whereas younger files getting all the energy and stuff. And then you see the you finished? Can you go and get my mouth on the front? Because I’m tired. But Danko Don’t you think you should know this is your time to share that energy to the world a better place. But it’s an illusion, my friend. best thing to do is love so rest will come together and talk

 

Bryn 

to you. Yeah. Do you see part of our our journey in life going from it’s all about me, I’m going to change the world. I control the world, etc, etc. And then there’s that, you know, that rise, which sort of propels us into the world. And then almost the apex of that when you get to, it comes off. And you’re like, it’s not just me. There’s more to me than I thought. And I am connected to everything around. And I am bigger than I ever thought it was. But I’m so much smaller, and I am not. Do you see where I’m going? And that birth of trust?

 

Shaun Nannup 

Yeah, absolutely. So we’ve got a, you know, somewhere on the lines, just accept. And people just don’t want to accept the truth. And so you have to have the patience. And the sincerity.

 

Bryn 

Yeah. And it’s not. It’s not something that I imagine you’re just going to take on face value. I got to go and experience that right.

 

Shaun Nannup  

Yeah. So once a so let’s look at the COVID. You know, imagine, right now the COVID goes completely out of control. And we put the faith into government to give us safety. But if things go really bad, you know, we can have by him on the streets and people can start to do some really terrible things to one another to survive and have a sense of safety. Yeah. And so it’s all about happens, then the reality sets in about the simple, subtle things about nature and life is so important. Yeah. Because imagine when when the fridges stop being stocked at the shop. Yeah. What are people gonna do? And if my people had me drive over the hill and start heading towards a desert people are gonna go well, where are you going that way? You know how to get food? Yeah, you had a fish. If people start you know, buying all the fish in tackles and stop doing the basics. Yeah, how long will that last? So this is this, stumped to the chaos situation hits that we look A system that we know is based on greed and self centeredness to be honest with you. Yeah. Help people take that’s up to them. But yeah, if you look at it a government when they go to do any form of election, it’s about making money and making money. And job security. Yeah. Making money.

 

 

Yeah.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Yeah, money. Yeah. So that’s true. And that’s great. People go well, no, it’s not.

 

Bryn 

It’s not sustainable. No.

 

Shaun Nannup 

So for us, as sauna tool, as many will say, you know, to get that question. I’d like you to come here and get Ah, yeah, yeah, Thompson, to really start to look at airwaves and look at our way of life and start to challenge it. Because we the people were the ones that generally supposed to be there waiting for? Yeah. And nobody likes it. Some people do. Texas and, and they make us money, because their jobs and you know,

 

 

buy things and then fulfil that life.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Why? Because they gave me Bliss, Texas, and they made me do this. And I get to do that. So we’ve got this system around us, until the big whack happens. And we don’t want that we don’t want to get to a point where it goes on. We don’t want that. We want people to, you know, hopefully come to a more healthier conclusion long before. But it gets nerve racking when you see the oceans being completely debilitated move though these great big fishing nets, millions of fish getting taken out of the ocean is absolutely horrendous. And only take away 20% of the food for the efficient chapter did once back into the ocean. I mean, when we really look at it, you know, the effects of the coral being destroyed by the dragging. And then the oceans, we start to see an extreme sense of being the first thing that government or people who are doing that sort of extremely is saying, well, you guys want the feed? Yeah. So we just supply and demand. Yeah. And so if you don’t want to have plastic bottles in the world, stop buying plastic. It’s a blind demand.

 

 

simple it is.

 

Shaun Nannup 

But people tuned into a rhythm and doing things just automatically go this shop, grab fish off the Santa, grab the plastic is usually covered and pasty. And we cook it and then we just chuck it in the bin. This is a rhythm that we’re part of. And to change that it can be quite confronting. So we’re going to do it softly, gently. And hopefully somewhere down the track the penny drops. And that’s where the universe of life this is the spirituality everything belongs in. So honestly stop time these trees that they’re bad people. And they’re the fairy people.

 

Bryn 

Yeah, no,

 

Shaun Nannup 

they stop telling him that because actually, you know what? We should get in tune with the tree. Yeah, and we should breathe and soften and be part of nature. Why wouldn’t we? So that’s the,

 

Bryn 

I suppose. He said, it starts off gently, gently. Because I find sometimes, if you do sit and wonder the enormity of it all? Yeah. Dragon that’s across the roof, through two islands of plastic in the Pacific through two ice caps through to all of it. It, it can, it can bring about a sense of overwhelm.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Yeah. And then

 

Bryn 

you get to the other place where someone just freezes.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Everyone’s gonna react in their own way. And that’s where we’ve got to just accept it. It’s just what it is. And so, if you can imagine being on a boat, and I’m not saying the world’s gonna end or anything like that just yet, but I think it’s gonna be fine. Well, when in life made? Yes. Let’s be honest. And so when you look at this boat, and we’re on the boat, and there’s a lot perhaps they’re like, not life. But life jackets. And people screaming, yelling, oh, we’re gonna die. You know, it’s a sense of overwhelmingness when you see the water coming in, and it’s really, you know, you’re trying to pan it out. But there’s this secret, you know, and you can say to people, look, there’s a life jacket there. Can you put the life jacket on? You know, and you could run around with them and try and give them to her but because they’re they’re in a state of disarray. Yeah. They may not be able to communicate, you understand that communication. You’re just gonna say the boat and other boats going down. You’re gonna have to accept that you can’t do you can’t run around anymore. You’re going to be in a in a water sign. And I don’t think you’re going to be at a dog pedal for long. You came for a while but you get these. Yeah. So there’s got to be some sense of truth. And there’s got to be a sense of clarity. And the person has to soften their hearts and their minds to receive. And so this is the beauty of being when you hit the water and you got your jacket on. And you see people going down and going, well, man, I yelled and screamed, I should try to put your hand actually walked around with me and say, Hey, guys, yeah. And we’re doing all this, this happened. And now we’re, we’re in the situation where you’re going underwater, and it’s really sad. And what do we do with it? Well, I’ve got my jacket on. Life is still available through me. Yes. These guys. Yeah. And to those who may have put it on, now, whether you survived the sharks different story. Next, but this is where we’ve got to start to see where, you know, if we were to be honest, we would do our best to those who are past and try and keep them close to us. So yeah, I know, it sounds pretty terrible. And in radical change, and when everything really hits, we’ve got to be brutal, yes, honest, and truthful, and so on. And so some people were suffocating in their life now. Even though they’ve got so much life around them. And they’re struggling with it. And they feel like they’re suffocating. And so they’re taking their own lives before they even go into water. Because I can’t confront it. This possibility. And so having this, this gift of appreciation of life, is sometimes a challenge to get to. And so we don’t want to take that away from some people. But we hope they’ll wake up early, then later. Yes. And so we’ve got to show and lead in a way that really represents our truth. So that way, then people can say, Well, you know, my journey took me this to get to here. Yes. And it was quite confronting, and I was on my source, I was suicidal. And that job was, and then the appreciation came of life, once I got through that time, and trusting you and bringing people into my life having intimate conversations with my psychologist and, and people around me, and is my business partner now. And knowing that, you know, we make mistakes, yes, and some things we will never forgive ourselves for, to a degree. But end of the day, you know, we’ve got to find a way to breed and nurture our hearts and our minds and our soul and our spirituality. Why? Because there’s people looking around for us to, to say, Well, if you can get through there, then then it gives me inspires me to do the same. Yeah. And so I guess that’s what we wanted to show people. So you know, what you might see me Now relax, calm and thinking of all the great things. But there are parts of my journey that was really quite tough to come to terms with. And watching people go under the ocean was really, really heavy. And so we see a lot of big decision makings made and people who have suffered because of those decisions. And how do we carry it now? Because those who may make it to the shore, and you’d be rescued, will feel like they’re still in the ocean. And I should have not had the jacket on. And I’ll take the life in a different way. And that’s a shame because life, you have the gift of life. And any fear, if there’s ever a time for those who have gone before us to turn around and say, what would they say? Please? Do your best to enjoy it because I found it tough. Yeah. Don’t give up. Because I can, I would bet my bottom dollar on just about every suicide that’s happened. There’s an aha moment when where they are hanging or there are putting the the gun to the head where they go. I don’t want to die. I just want the pain to stop. And we as a people need to tune ourselves the truth that there are people out there struggling with this gift that we’ve been given. And let’s do our best to come together and empower others to say, You know what? Don’t worry. You’re not alone. Yeah. And we can all

 

Bryn 

things are shitty. Yeah. And I found that it shifted to you’re not on your own every person in the ship.

 

Shaun Nannup 

And yeah, so hopefully there’s some empowerment and intimacy of saying out story. What good is a story if you haven’t got anyone to listen to? And out of what do we ever the skin to maintain his connection to all levels of community community so we can share the gift that really made his life So much. Is that an elder? Yeah, person?

 

Bryn 

Yeah. Yeah.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Why would you wanna hold on to give and take it to the grave? Yeah. Give it to somebody else. That’s what gifts are for.

 

Bryn 

I have to depart in a minute. But the question I ask all my guests at the end, it’s hypothetical question, but I enjoy what comes out? Yeah. If I could slow everybody down for 10 minutes. And I could allow you to upload a question into the collective consciousness. Everybody just sat still for 10 minutes and contemplated it. Yeah. All that.

 

Shaun Nannup 

Goodness gracious, man.

 

 

Jeez.

 

Shaun Nannup 

I’m just going to laugh outside to them. If I slide everyone down, I say you are loved. And it’s not too late. If we can just get everyone to slow down and just believe in in truly loving self. And then the rest will follow. You’ll naturally want to love the tree and the birds and the rivers. And the people you won’t see Chinese Japanese English Scottish friendship, do I say it would just give a gift of love? and say, You know what, this is universal. This is for everyone. And, and I think that would be really cool is we can overcome all the things that we know have been in our life to divide us and separate us. We can overcome. I did it. And if I can do it, as many people say we can do it then generally. People will say Well yeah, we can come out better now.

 

Bryn 

Yes, we can all laugh now it’s over. But

 

Shaun Nannup 

I truly hope people know that they love that’s really the key. And that’s what I needed. Yeah, just needed to feel as though I was there, okay.

Yeah, sure. It’s been absolute pleasure. Cheers.

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