#201 Being Famous Sharron – Bonnie Davies

This week I had a great conversation with Perth-based comedian Bonnie Davis, who is better known for her alter ego, the comedic character Famous Sharron – who is famous for absolutely nothing at all.

In this conversation, you get a really great insight into the amount of work and the process that goes into being a comedian and developing a character like Famous Sharron.

We hear about the history and the development of this character and what Bonnie’s been through to take her to where she is today.

Now famous Sharon doesn’t actually appear in this conversation, which is maybe disappointing to some of her fans, but her theme of ‘celebrate yourself really shines through in this conversation and it’s really interesting to hear how Bonnie has embraced that herself.

Bonnie is a lot of fun to talk to and this is fascinating conversation from a behind the scenes of being a comedian point of view.

http://www.famoussharron.com/

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Bryn Edwards 

This week I had a great conversation with the comedian Bonnie Davis. Now, you may not know Bonnie, but you may well be more aware of her alter ego, the comedic character that she plays famous Sharon, who is famous for absolutely nothing at all. In this conversation, you get a really great insight in the amount of work and the process that goes on behind being a comedian, and developing a character. Like famous Sharon, we hear about the history and the development of this character, and what Bonnie’s been through, take her to where she is today. Now famous Sharon doesn’t actually appear in this conversation, which is maybe disappointing to some of her fans. But her theme of celebrate yourself really shines through and it’s really interesting to hear how Bonnie is taking that on herself is a great conversation, a lot of fun and super, super interesting. From a behind the scenes point of view. So enjoy, Bonnie.

 

Bryn Edwards 

Hello, welcome back to wi rail. I’m your host, Bryn Edwards. Today I have the great pleasure of welcoming Bonnie Davies. Bonnie, welcome to the show.

 

Bonnie Davies 

Thank you.

 

Bryn Edwards 

Thank you for having me. Here. Your place.

 

Bonnie Davies 

Yeah, no worries. It’s like you’re having me and I’m having you here with a lot of people. There you go.

 

Bryn Edwards 

So you’re comedian?

 

Bonnie Davies 

Yes.

 

Bryn Edwards 

Bonnie Davies 

Famous Sharon. Yes. With two r’s and she was one of them silent, too, as well.

 

Bryn Edwards 

I thought it’d be fun to have another comedian on the show. Okay. That’s good. I can set the bar. You can set the bar somewhere. Yeah. I just thought among many things, it would be really fun to talk about being a comedian, and sense of humour at a time that is quite serious. And, you know, also, to use the phrase when you asked me today when I walked in said how you brain and I said emotionally dense? And yeah, I thought it’d be fun to do that. But let’s start with Yeah. Famous Sharon, for anybody who’s not met encountered her

 

Bonnie Davies 

while she’s not as famous as she thinks she is. So there’s probably quite a few that I have not heard of her. But thank you for knowing who she is now, because she’s just got a little bit more famous. She’s very famous for nothing at all. That’s her shtick, right? So she’s, I realise she’s actually a bit of a Zeitgeist of the era. Yes, having no talent whatsoever, and using the internet to be famous or just being famous for sex tapes, or scandals or, or, you know, family connections is very invoke. So it is

 

Bryn Edwards 

very, very much so.

 

Bonnie Davies 

Yeah. So that’s her premise. So how did this come about? was an accident. I was doing comedy as me which was also an accident. I used to be a festival producer and a arts I used to work in the arts as a producer. And I went to London and I’m started seeing comedy. And so when I came back to Perth, I went to see comedy. I’ve never had time when I was in person. I always mean to get to things. But in London, I discovered a really love live comedy. There’s just something about being in that room. And just the cracking of people laughing and that you cannot even comedy on TV isn’t the same for me that feels a bit like homework. Yes, seeing alive is really where I’m on fire. I love that stuff. And so I came back to who and then met all the who comedians and then started trying to produce them. And then they made a bet with me to do comedy, which I thought was funny. Because I’ve done rapping and all sorts of things. just fun. You know, it’s good to challenge yourself. But I got hooked. I’ve never felt I’m really confident in front of people. I’ve done a lot of public speaking but comedy. comedy, I just had never felt that rush or that high. And and when you fail, you really feel your soul gets through your feet. Do you know it’s like a visceral connection with people? Yes. It’s kind of very personal and very trivial at the same time. It’s this weird mix anyway. So I did comedy for a couple years as me and I got selected for some showcases in Melbourne and I had like, some success. I won some awards. Yeah, but no one really cared. But I decided to stay in Perth not moved to Melbourne or Sydney. Yeah. Because I just felt like everyone moved especially then this is about 1213 years ago. Yeah. Um, really the conversations at parties were when are you moving? No, you didn’t stay? Yes. And I decided to stay because I thought what if it’s really interesting what if we did like what have we all stayed and built it here? And also I could see the internet and things were happening. You can be funny anywhere. So yeah, if I can be undeniably funny and and build something then that can work anywhere. Anyway, because I was the only one left, I got asked to host a big Hollywood gala, kind of style event. It was a burlesque show, actually. And I’m pretty. I mean, I dress a lot nicer now. But back then I was like, even more lowercase. So just, you know, cut off jean shorts and T shirts. And like, I was very casual. And I asked the producer, if they want me to maybe do a character because it’s, you know, giant martini glasses, and Marilyn Monroe impersonators, and this big fabulous show. me go, Hey, guys, I’m the only one left you want to say some an event. And the producer said, I didn’t know you did characters. And I was like, I don’t. But let’s go. And I did that classic thing of booking it three months out, and then just forgetting about it. And I really wasn’t very good at managing myself or my life or my commitments at all, I would just take on too much. And then just try and do it all. And so like two days before the event, when I had planned to, you know, have costumes, write a whole lot of jokes, I was scrambling around the house, borrowing my friend’s outfits. Anyway, I went onstage with two jokes and a whole bunch of outfits that are just scrounge together. And, and it was like the audience loved it more than they’ve ever loved Anything else? Yeah. So I didn’t really know she was a thing. It’s funny to someone reminded me of that moment, that six months where I didn’t really know she was something. Yeah. But I then went to Edinburgh and completely burnt myself out, I was doing a show that other people told me I should do because it had won an award. But it wasn’t really what I wanted to be doing. And I lost about 12 or 14 grand, and I ended up an emergency. And I had to cancel shows. And I just remember thinking, if this is success, then I don’t want it like this is not like, you know, this is not a success. Absolutely not. But this is you know, people going, look, look, you know, keep going this is it. You got to grind through and push yourself and put yourself out there. And, you know, you learn from failure. And I was like, well, I’ve learned from failure. This is not how I want to live my life. And so when I came back, I didn’t do any comedy as myself for a couple months. But I just gave famous Sharon all my gigs. And at that point, she was reading famous heroine in Edinburgh. No, no, I was just doing me in Edinburgh. But I bought a wig. And I bought some stuff from this fabulous app shop. And I was I just it was such a success. I did it. I did her in July, just before I went to Edinburgh. Yes. And I just kept thinking about how much the audience loved her. Like they were yelling her name the whole time. And they kind of got in on the joke really quickly at one point yeah, to improvise, oh, you know, Darren, my husband and someone yelled, Dasa. And Sharon was like, Oh my God, that’s what I call him. Are you friends with him? just rolling with it. It was lots of fun banter. And, and that was just so beautiful. And Sharon was a talent agent at that point. So from my two, my two must haves for the producer was that she was Australian because I was sick of seeing people go up on stage. And they are amazing. But everyone is you know, English or American or they’re pretending to be French, or Yeah, they’re pretending to be from anywhere except Molly Galleria in Perth, Western Australia. And so I was like, I want to make her real suburban. Like she’s proper shopping centre Mama, like, living that life is gonna make her dream of being a talent agent come true. So yeah, when I got back from Edinburgh, I just gave her all my gigs, which is kind of funny. Yeah, she has. The first gig she did was to 4000 teenagers at a big rock festival. Because I had been working really hard and I’d gotten really good at improvising. And I’d built it you know, I was a pay I could. I was a paid emcee. And I was doing well enough in the industry to have professional gigs. So she just took my professional gigs. But I guess to the general public, she really just stepped into the world out of nowhere. What I didn’t realise is people didn’t realise it was me. Even my own friends and family didn’t come to the first friendship friend show, because they did not realise it was me. There was a guy that I was working with about it was during the first French so there would have been eight months in and I had just realising that she’s actually a thing. And I went and got shares, which is what I call it when I get into Sharon costume. There’s Bonnie, Shani and Sharon. Shani is half between halfway. That’s what my housemates used to call me Shani, if they were seeing me halfway anyway. I was really on the schedule and are still working part time at that time at that point, obviously because she just started and went into the bathroom, got shares and came out and he just went, what the he thought Sharon was someone I managed. He’d seen me posting on Facebook, he sat next to me. He worked next to me during the whole of fringe and did not realise that it was me, which just blew my mind. People do pick it up more these days as well. But especially in the beginning, she was quite frumpy looking. And I mean, I can’t believe I left the house looking like that. But that’s, you know, fail fast and fail often, right? Yeah, so I kind of just gave her all my gigs for six months. And I stepped back from comedy for a while just to just from the stand up circuit, do you know doing lots of late night gigs is quite relentless. It’s really exhausting. And at that point, I was working on the jobs trying to make all the ends meet as well producing for people or doing whatever. And it was just exhausting. So I was just stepping back to think about everything and just kind of let Sharon fill that gap. And she was just so fun. People just got it. They were just on board so quickly than me. And then. Yeah, I decided to test her at fringe. And then I thought if she does well at fringe, then she’s a thing. Yeah. But it was weird thinking that there was a whole six months there where I was like, I don’t know, she could be this thing. I don’t know. But it was kind of a beautiful way to let her roll out because then I just let her find her feet. You know, I thought I tried to play her really bitchy initially, but people didn’t like that. They especially didn’t like her bitching about me as a person, which I thought that was hilarious, because I was like, it’s literally me bitching about me. People were like, no, Sharon. No, don’t say that about this is amazing. But you know, I learned from the audience and really she evolved with them. Yeah. And would you do that? What do you mean, when you say evolve with the audience? Well, I guess the thing for me that’s really different for Sharon is that she’s not just on stage or on film, or in a show. She also rose after and before shows. Yeah. And I was also doing a lot of like, I did the VIP tours for fringe that year. Yeah. So in the first fringe season, she got on the project for 10 seconds. But we milked that for the next two years. Of course, as seen on the project. She got on the project, she hosted the fringe world awards, hosted the VIP tours, and then also did three weeks of a show. Yeah. And a big part of her shtick as a talent agent, this she was still a talent agent at this point. Because I was still had no idea what I had in my hands. She was obsessed with fame and making people famous and whatever. So she was taking selfies with people. And so you just naturally having dialogue with people constantly. But it’s interesting, because I can’t play her. It was a real tussle for me of Am I just playing her nicer? Because it’s easier? Or is this who she is? And how can I justify that as a character? Yeah. Because the reality is, most people who can play a really bitchy character on stage don’t then have to hang out with the audience for three hours afterwards. Yes, that’s quite a different dynamic. If you’re in a group, and you’re being really nasty to people. Do you know it’s a it’s not fun? No. That warm to that? Yeah. And so I think that just had to make her a little bit more real, as well. So there’s definitely been evolutions with her. I got too real and tried to make her to normal looking. Yeah. And then and now I’m back into making her eccentric, but she’s just a really hyper, hyper version of, you know, her different character. Yeah, so yeah, I don’t know if that’s a bit too esoteric.

 

Bryn Edwards 

No, no, no, it does. It’s fascinating to hear how you tinker with a persona to meet certain. Yeah. Because, you know, he, we do that? Yes, we do that in real life. We do that in real life, you get to tweak it to the higher level.

 

Bonnie Davies 

And also that it’s interesting to that. You know, a few years ago, I stopped asking people for selfies. Because it got to the point where people were just coming up for selfies all the time. Yeah. I thought, well, if they want a selfie, they’ll just come up and ask, except that’s not true. Because there’s a whole segment like a third of the population that would never ask, but really secretly want one, but they won’t be the person to go up and ask for one. Yeah. Sharon has to give them that invitation and make them feel like oh, okay, you know, like, participating. Yeah, but you know, there’s been lots of learnings for me along the way where I just assumed are well, you know, unlike For example, I started doing stand up as her stand ups a great place to hone material and just really Work things in. And she was coming out and being very like, did you know I’m famous Sharon and data data and I was like, after a while I realised the audience wasn’t reacting to her the same way as they were offstage. Because offstage, she was like, it’s me. It’s famous Sharon. Like, she’ll walk into a room waving at everyone as though they know her already. Then people respond to you really differently. That’s partly why people don’t recognise me out of character, I think, yeah, because I don’t walk into a room waving to everyone like, that is very Sharon. She’s like, obviously, you can’t believe I’m here. Like, this is an amazing moment for all of you. Even people who’ve never met her before. She’s like, Well, congratulations, marry me in the real life. And I’m off the TV. You can touch me I’m real. You’re welcome. You know. So I had to change how I even took her on stage is that we should just enter in doesn’t matter if no one knows who she is. She would enter she always think she is more famous than she is. Yeah. And so she everybody knows that people would know who she is. And if they don’t they do now.

 

 

solved.

 

Bonnie Davies 

Yeah, all and so she’s got a few like matches as well. She’s kind of an accidental genius. I’ve really learned a lot from her in terms of so one of them is be the fame you want to see in the world, which is the play on Be the change you want to say. But also the world is your catwalk. So start from where you are. Yeah. What have you got? Let’s work with it. pose like everyone’s watching. Because if they’re not watching my bloody will try to the traffic light dub, works wonders. And then put yourself into your selfie, which is just like just just be you. You, do you. So it’s like the aspiration or be the fame you want to say, but also start where you are. And, you know, putting yourself into everything is really is really great. So

 

Bryn Edwards 

he said, stand up is a great place to test stuff. Yeah. Has it been a journey to get to a place where stand up as it is now? You can comfortably go in test stuff? And it not be like it? Obviously if you’re testing stuff then stuffs some stuffs kind of bomb. Yeah, absolutely. But it must have been a bit of a journey to get to a place where now you see stand up as like a testbed for other jokes for jokes, as opposed to what it might have been earlier on. Do you see what I’m saying? Well,

 

Bonnie Davies 

I think like, is interesting, because I don’t think he ever get over that rejection. Yeah, audience like even the early days. I think I’m just more and it still stings so much if things don’t work. But now I just have more things I can fall back on to make it work. I think at the beginning when I started, I didn’t even have stage presence or understand. Yeah, my voice or Yeah, I remember one go to Joe’s. Yeah. And sometimes, you know, when you even when you’re doing new stuff, you might you know, you don’t have that long to test the stuff. And actually haven’t tested new stuff for a couple of years on, on in a stand up circuit. Because I’ve been so busy. Yeah, building everything else out. But I will be going back to it in another couple of months and just really hammer it. I tend to just go really hard for a while. Yeah. But you probably call them Oh, yeah, it’s very strategic. Yeah, it has to be more so for me because I do a lot more. I don’t get as many other wi comedians that do as many like weekend work festivals. I do all day things. Yeah, you know, I’ll fly out to Colorado and be there the whole weekend. And then also do like tourism, shoot videos and, you know, awards nights and corporate stuff during the day. You then put stand up every night. Yeah, really, if you’re going to do stand up, you need to be writing, you need to be reviewing what you’re doing. And then going back and practising practices that be it’s like, getting ready for a boxing match. You know, you’ve got to be match fit. Yes. And I feel like I learned the most when I go back and take a piece of material back again and again and again. And yeah. And whereas if I kind of do boxing once a month, and kind of forget about the technique that I’m not really making the most of, yeah, stage time is like money. You can have heaps of it and still have none. Yeah, I have no benefit of it. Yeah. Yeah. So I like to just really be and because my time is so precious, as well. And I have a lot of other things that are in the works with famous Sharon. Yeah. Building up her fan base and his social media and just getting better and more creative. And I’ve actually just spent the last two years just working on her character. Yeah, because it just got to a point where she was a bit too to 2d. Yeah, it was like, Well, what she scared off. Yeah, you know what? So family dynamics like, hey, yeah, you wake up in the morning like, Yeah. Because then especially on social media and just in in general, I think, you know, when you can see a character’s vulnerability or person’s vulnerability, you connect with them more strongly. Yes. I was kind of making her a little bit too perfect. Yeah. And I didn’t really want to risk anything. Create

 

Bryn Edwards 

racks. Yeah, we connect with floor Steinway.

 

Bonnie Davies 

Yeah, absolutely. But it still was finding that hard to figure out what floors to give her and, you know, that felt like big decisions. So I had to, I got some riders in the room, and that we really broke it down. And we’re just kind of coming out of the end of that. And this is the year of practising shares now. Right, just practising her.

 

Bryn Edwards 

And how would you go about the way I would refer to it is pushing buttons and pushing. envelopes are painful. Because I find with commonly and correct me, if I’m wrong, you know, part of it is going right to the edges, or just a bit past where people sometimes will or won’t go. And whether that be acceptability or reflecting inwards as in or that’s just like

 

 

me, and it’s almost a little bit.

 

Bonnie Davies 

I guess, what, what do you mean, like talking about things that people don’t? Yeah, yeah. They’re feeling. I mean, I guess, Sharon’s, in a pretty safe world, in terms of that stuff. Because usually the thing she’ll say, a very already said, by many unions Anyway, you know, like, tension in relationships, or kids or exhausting, or, you know, that kind of Yeah, she doesn’t really push boundaries. Political. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She kind of pushes I think for anything. It’s funny how, if someone says to her, Oh, you’re so you’re so fabulous. And she says, I know. And that’s enough to crack them up. Yeah. And it’s interesting how much we do not own our own. gloriousness. Or, like, it’s, yeah, I think that’s probably the area that really pushes people. But in a way, she just pushes so far pastor. That then no matter how she celebrates herself so hard, yeah. But if you celebrate yourself a little bit, yeah. So people will celebrate themselves even a bit. Yeah, it’s nothing in comparison to her. So they don’t feel self conscious about it. Yeah, I love I love that part of Sharon, like, I love that I get to make people feel so good. I think people leave her shows on a high. Because I was in Edinburgh for the second offer. So he was the first year I was there. And I was just a little open mic, which means I was not getting paid for gigs at that point. And I had got a, like a grant to go over. And just practice, because I’ve had a few successes, early successes. But in Edinburgh, you can do 20 minutes on stage, you know, for a friend show for a month, that’s more stage time than you get in a year. So you know, we’re talking about really getting match fit. It’s boot camp of saying like, comedy boxing. So I was having an amazing time. And there was two conversations I really remember from that time. One was that I said to a friend of mine, I’m so lucky to be here. I just can’t believe that I get to be here doing this right now. Like I was really grateful. And he said, luck is hard work and opportunity coming together. And I was like, Oh, that’s really good to remember. Yeah. And I’ve always, always thought to, for me, I get a lot of opportunities, because I’m quite privileged, but there’s definitely people that work really hard and just get less opportunities coming their way. Which is that, you know, the gap in Yeah, privilege stuff, which I just always kind of try and think about in terms of how to even that out or why that happens anyway. And then the other thing was, I was walking along and just seeing these amazing shows. And they’re all like, just so funny. And every comedian hated life, was dealing with depression, was talking about some major alcoholism, every show was was and they all hated people. Yeah. And I love people. Yeah. And I’m generally pretty optimistic. Like I will look for the opportunities and things. And I just remember thinking, I think I’m in the wrong industry. Walking down. Like I really remember walking down the cobbled streets, by myself just thinking, you know, all these people, the good ones, like these are the people these are the people top of their game, and this is what they’re talking about. And it’s not easy to make Lacking people funny. Yeah, there’s not natural humour in getting along with people. And, and being optimistic is not naturally funny, either. Do you know that conflict and the tension? Yeah, that you can really get great humour from. And then I thought, well, if I can make that funny, then that will be my point of difference. Yeah. And that is essentially famous Sharon. She loves people, the roving and all those stuff that I do with her. I don’t have to do didn’t like, yeah, a lot of comedians will avoid the audience after a show, although gone, and there’s people that will go out into photos, but they don’t want to hang out with them and go to these hours. I do that because I know. Like, because I want to, it just feels rocks. And that’s what she would do. Yeah. And yeah, so but that’s also become a bit of a superpower for her because so many fans have real experiences with a Yeah, and a real connections. And also, she has made fame accessible in a way that no other celebrity ever will. So there will always be a part of what I do with her, like, always spend a certain amount of time with fans. I still remember Jessica mauboy. I did a hosted a big concert for her years ago, maybe five years ago. And you just absolutely when you’re at that level, you just don’t need to hang around after the show. And she spent 45 minutes with the fans, taking photos doing all that stuff. As did Sharon, by the way. Sharon spent 90 minutes. She stayed longer. But I was really impressed at that. And I really admired that. I thought that’s so great. Because that that really shows you know, you know what’s made you? Yeah, as much as there’s other factors. Other factors? Yeah, anyway, yeah, stuff is important. The obvious

 

Bryn Edwards 

question that springs to mind to me is, what’s the intersection between Pawnee and Shawnee? Yeah, is the intersection.

 

Bonnie Davies 

That was an interesting moment for me. When I first started working on character stuff by myself. Yeah. And I was trying to, and I think I might occasionally we’ll get someone in the room to, but I started listing different qualities about us. And for me, when I first created her, she was so different to me. You know, she was married three times. I’ve never been married. She has four kids, I have no kids. You know, she lives in the suburbs. I live in a city like that. So everything is just in my mind. She wore makeup all the time. I didn’t even really wear makeup much that like I yeah, she was hyper glam. do their nails and everything was so different. And, and then. And so that was really easy for me to switch into shares and switch over to Barney and into shares. Right? Easy. But then when I started making him have more depth, actually, I realised we shared values. And because of course we did, because I created when you create a business, you know, you just and also because I have to live her all the time that sister really. And you know, when I first realised

 

Bryn Edwards 

that would be really hard if you have to lie on metrically different

 

Bonnie Davies 

values. Yeah, and after the friends, you know where I know. It’s funny, because I know, but it’s true, because most people just see little, they see a little aspect of her. But one of the challenges we had even in the character development was like, sure. Now we have all this information. How do we how do we frickin Where do I keep this dude? Yeah, that’s accessible. So that like so I’ve kind of got this 360 world of her where there’s her like home life and her storylines and her character development and because it’s not just where she is now. It’s like where she is in 10 years and what Yeah, where she’s been what’s made her who she is, and what was just who she was anyway. You know, being bullied in school, too, you know, now she’s going and doing school presentations for one of her twins who’s getting bullied, which obviously is making it worse. You know, like she like where she and her story cycles is all they’re just about finishing off that and building that out more and more now. There’s the social media side, there’s the corporate gigs, there’s jokes. There’s jewellery line, all the bookings and business strategy stuff that people don’t see they just see like a little flash of her there’s always other stuff that they but I was gonna say before the end to hold that in a 360 way that it’s consistent no matter what way Yeah, no matter how you slice it. Yeah, you know, her character has to be consistent. Her looks have to be consistent. Yeah, her approach has to be can be one thing for one people and one for her writing responses have to be consistent. Like I had to actually we had to figure out why she would give her spotlight to someone else to take a photo because that was starting to happen with some fans. She has Her own spotlight, which makes photos look amazing. Yeah, so of course you do a bunch of selfies with people, but every one and 100 will say, Oh my gosh, could we get a photo of me and my friends with a spotlight, you know, without Sharon. Yeah, and as a character, why would she do that? Like, yeah, why would she? And then we realised every mean that the grip qualification Yeah, there has to be a qualification and basically every time she does that, she’s like, look at me. I’m being so charitable and just do even a charity. I’m just a healthy. Did you say they’re like she? She will hold the spotlight. Yeah, as long as everybody knows she’s holding the spotlight before. I’m so generous this is I do shouty work all the time. This was just, um, just a classic celebrity, you know, like, because, you know, shower at church shower at work is so important and all that kind of stuff. So like, you know, but just negotiating those moments, we still don’t have to be an asshole. Because she’s generous. And she wants people to look good in photos. She navigating her also wanting to be in all photos. Exactly is like, how does she still get the attention? Yeah. And I was gonna say at the end of the first friend show, that was when she became famous Sharon, because I realised she had a really good run project fringe awards, VIP tours, and done a season that had done all right. And she had a name and lots and all sorts of stupid stuff. And I was like, Okay, this is a thing. But at the same time, it was a thing. It was like a runaway train, like, I was just chasing the thing. Two years, I

 

 

was, Oh, my goodness.

 

Bonnie Davies 

And then two years in, I had to decide that I really wanted her. And that was a really scary moment, too. But at the first beginning bit, we were literally just trying to figure out, I had a producer, working with me, and he and I were trying to figure out what the social media handle should be. Yeah. And what her website should be. She was still a talent agent. Yeah. She’s all about fame. You know, fame is her thing. And then I was like, our famous Sharon, like, actually, she should just be called fame. Because that’s hilarious. Yeah, that, because if you’re famous, you don’t need to tell people you.

 

 

And I have,

 

Bryn Edwards 

I have this thing right. Long, long story short, I have this thing whereby when you read a CV, and suppose recruiter, if they write in their little profile section, I am enigmatic, or high charisma or high energy, you’re like, No, they’re

 

Bonnie Davies 

not. Yes. It’s like, No, they are so crazy. People who are like, I’m just, I’m off the hook. Or I’m so funny. I’m sorry. To tell you. Like, if you’re off the hook on a weekend, we will know. We can see. Yeah, so she causes are famous Sharon. And I realised it was Ah, she’s very famous for nothing at all. Yep. And as soon as on Vogue, in Vogue, and as soon as I thought of that, I went, Oh, my God, that’s a really good idea. Yeah, I don’t think I should do this. I actually thought I should sell it to someone else. Right? Or I should give this to somebody else. Because actually, that’s a good idea. Yes, my first instinct was to give it to somebody else. She’s so interesting. But I’m so glad I didn’t. But

 

Bryn Edwards 

you know, I always tell Iran about getting to the edges of things. Surely being famous for absolutely nothing at all. And the fact that, that she owns it, she owns it, but that in and of itself is

 

 

you know how many? Yeah. That in and how many people would admit that?

 

Bonnie Davies 

Yeah. Yeah. Well, interestingly, we’ve trademarked it. And we’re working through the trademarks in America and as well, because that in and of itself is no one wants it ties in enormous

 

Bryn Edwards 

spotlight on Yeah. All that we seem to be. Yeah, you know, yeah. You know, praising and looking tall. Yeah. You know, like, there’s take the archetypes of it. You know, like the Kardashian family. Yeah. What are they actually famous for? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Really? Just family doing family things and being a bit off the hook. Yeah. On a TV programme.

 

Bonnie Davies 

Yeah. And now look where it’s become. And they’ve built businesses out of it. They have a machine which is

 

 

sad, almost. Yeah. We just let this thing grow. But

 

Bonnie Davies 

yeah, yeah. It is interesting, because there’s definitely there’s a weird tension I find or does the weird crossover where it is ridiculous, but it’s also inspiring. Didn’t like Sharon is has taught me A lot about putting yourself out there and just owning what you have and celebrating yourself. I think she really celebrate people.

 

Bryn Edwards 

Bonnie celebrate Bonnie more.

 

Bonnie Davies 

Way more. Would you shower? The first thing that happened was that? Yes, it is so weird. doesn’t actually say that. No, she does is amazing. And she’s had such a big impact on my life that she’s my hit song. And, um,

 

Bryn Edwards 

you know what I’m finding this whole conversation is fascinating to understand the life and the development of comedians. Right. on that level. It’s fascinating, but the thing that’s, that’s really the existential challenge of Yeah, the means of someone’s identity. Yeah, comes in and out. You know, vessel. Yeah.

 

Bonnie Davies 

No, it is stuff that I think about, probably more than people would really know. Yeah. Because for me, if I lose my way a little bit, then that comes up in her. Yeah. And she taught me to self care, because I used to do gigs, you know, I would like, run from producing work or run from an admin job or whatever, and run on stage and be exhausted or not

 

Bryn Edwards 

arrived out, you know, in amongst many things that have happened. You’ve still managed to go the gym

 

Bonnie Davies 

and sleep centre. Yeah. And that’s super important for Sharon. Because if I could turn up half mast and kind of get through something, it doesn’t matter. But she can’t know she has to be on on Paul. Yeah, she has to be on brand. And that wouldn’t be hurt to rock up tight. Like, that’s not in her character. Like it’s mostly because it would break her character for her to rock up like half done. Like she wouldn’t leave the house without a makeup. You know, way. She sleeps with it sometimes. Like I woke up like this, you know, like, literally, Dolly Parton sleeps with her makeup on in cases of fire. So that she will look. Yeah, fabulous. Yeah, so that was interesting, because famous Sharon, people were really worried about me in the early days. First of all worried because a few months in, I think by March. So January was fringe by March i’d stopped doing comedy is Bonnie. Yeah, I was like, we’re competing. I tried to do both. Yeah, I was that people obviously want her not me. They just do. Yeah, but I don’t feel any pain saying that. But other people were like, Oh, no. Yeah. How do you feel? They want her not? You know what? I didn’t even think in my mind. I didn’t even think what she’s me. I was like, Whoa, fuck yeah. Like, it’s great. Yeah, let let her roll. I don’t know. Just follow what’s working rather than resisting. And I was having so much fun doing her.

 

Bryn Edwards 

Yeah, I turned them off switch as well. Yeah.

 

Bonnie Davies 

And also, it’s amazing. Like, I made the mistake once I did a gig, because I would do a gig like in the Spiegeltent at fringe, especially I did lots of fringe shows in the early days. Do a gig in the Spiegeltent be all glamorous and fabulous and multiple costumes and big hair and all the stuff and then our D shares and I would look like a drowned rat. You know that you’re here with all sweaty and I’d brush it down. It would just look shit. I would barely have any makeup on like I would. I didn’t even wear fake lashes at that point. So I was like, really? sweaty shadow of myself. Yeah, really dishevelled. So people just wouldn’t know. Like, I would just be around the fans have just seen her and they would not know and then one day. Yeah, it was amazing. It was really, because she has that’s why she has cans which are not just because she would go off and have a bubble bath. Yeah, but I can. Anyway, whatever. Yeah, I came out and I saw a fan that had been like, a big part of the show, because I think we improvise a lot. Yeah, I improvise a lot. And she has chest as we whatever. Anyway, she has improvises a lot. And at the I came out into the dance floor, and I waved at her because I forgot that I’m not that she doesn’t know who I am. Yeah, because she’d just been Yes, saying Sharon, and she was so shocked. And I was like, I’ve got to because she realised that you know, she was like, why is this weird person waving at me and then she realised and Elizabeth crushed. She actually she’s she put her hand like odds out of my face. Oh, no, bring back my feathers. I was so funny. But other people were really like, sad for me. They’re like, Oh, that’s so sad. She said that to like, I just don’t take it personally because I totally get it like you’re famous. Sharon is fabulous. She’s amazing. Yeah. And that’s her power is that she is Me, so why would I? I don’t know. I just didn’t get that worried about at all. Yeah. And so it’s interesting that, yeah, one comedian who really didn’t know me very well, just that weird thing when I became less available to people around me, who probably took me for granted a bit and used me up, you know, I would give everything to everyone. And especially open markers, I remember a couple of open markers would ask me to come down and watch them and give them feedback. And I had an incident where I went down, I watched this person do comedy, I gave them feedback, and they just throw it back in my face every bit of feedback. I was like, Oh, well, this would be really good if you did this. And I know why I like doing it this way. Because of this and all that. I gave up my night. Yeah, like, you’re not paying me. I’m being really generous. And you’re not even ready to work on yourself. Yeah, I just started cutting those people out of my life. Yeah. And I had one of those open mics has come back to me a few years later and say, Oh, I never see, you know. And you famous Shan has, you know, I never say, yeah, just, you know, like as though he was a big drama. And then a few years later, I heard someone tell me that that person had said to them, they said, Yeah, I’m really worried about you. This is years later, I’m really worried about you. Because that person told me that famous Sharon’s really ruined your life. I was like, excuse me. I are no famous, Sharon has taught me to look after myself. Because if I don’t put boundaries down now, if I don’t spend time with good people who appreciate me, and I appreciate them Do you know, it’s like a real conversation, not just me giving myself over? Do you know the only people that are upset that I have boundaries now are the ones that benefited from me not having boundaries. And so actually famous sharing has not ruined my life, she’s kind of saved a bit like, she’s really making me invest in myself celebrate myself, because I care. Sadly, at that point, I cared more about her than I did about me. Do you know I was more prepared to not let her down than I was to let myself down? Wow. Which I’ve shifted a lot in the last couple of years through therapy and self work and whatever. But that was actually probably reality. So in a way, she saved me. And something

 

Bryn Edwards 

quite incredible out of the whole con. Bonnie, that’s, that’s just quite amazing about what you just said there.

 

Bonnie Davies 

Yeah. Well, I mean, it’s just the truth. But here’s the famous Sharon had actually ruined their ruined me for them. Yes. If she hadn’t written me at all, what else I said to the person who relayed that story to me. I said, Well, they really don’t know me at all. They just, and people will say whatever they want, but they just have no idea who I am. Yeah, and I have myself. So is there scope for famous Sharon to become a self help guru? I don’t think so. Actually, kind of, incidentally, is just by the energy. She started almost going down that way a little bit, because I was getting so much from her. Yeah, but I think it’s really important that she isn’t, yeah, she’s not like, and she and that’s where I think I was trying to make her to perfect. And actually, she’s flawed. And she’s trying hard, and she’s just not nailing it. Maybe it’s perfect, but yeah, like her thing is just being famous. And I think for her famous celebration. Yes. And interestingly, like, especially women really are drawn to her. And I think they are really under celebrated, or they’re just frickin ready to be celebrated. Yes. You know, they’ve reached the age where like, cool. Kids are older. I’ve done my time. Yeah. Step aside.

 

Bryn Edwards 

Like what you said earlier on with the third of the people who don’t want to ask for shout.

 

Bonnie Davies 

Yes, yeah, yeah, they need to be celebrated. But they’re not ready to set you know. of celebration. Yeah. And I definitely like you know, if I approach a big group of people shares will go to the people who want her first. Yeah, because that builds that go bit building momentum. Yeah. And also you don’t want to try and like heat up you know, all these Yeah, cold. Yeah. Old cups of tea. Like go well, this is a hot cup of tea. Let’s have fun. By with them, and then just naturally the momentum because people see Sharon having warms up, just keeps Yeah. And also I always have respect for people who just don’t want to participate. Fine. Yeah. They you need an audience. That’s what I’m glad you don’t, because we need audiences. Otherwise I’m not famous. And also they don’t want to have a selfie. Sure, just say that’s okay. As you can just photo bomb and work your way up. You know, you have a place in this world to It’s okay. You know, it’s a ladder to guess Sometimes your friends will be like, no, I get a selfie get as I wish I would be like, No, no, no towels. No, just stop by photobombing you know, put your hands up behind photos and see how you go. You know, it’s okay. You’ll get there. Yeah, cuz I like having respect for where people are at. We’re all at different stages. And

 

Bryn Edwards 

where does right This might seem like a strange quest but existential challenge about return. Where does Bonnie go while famous Sharon’s out? And generally I’m not really there? I am there. Did you get? So do you get to like, the end of the you know, you do a session you do the road this year that you come back to a changing room, you take stuff off, it’s like, Oh,

 

 

hello, you again.

 

Bonnie Davies 

I guess it depends what I’m doing. Like if I’m, if I’m on a shoot, I am there. And if I’m doing an awards night, or something like that, I have to be there to make sure she is where she needs to be. It’s like I’m there managing her for her. And yeah, and I’m probably more there than I used to be. I think I used to really just switch into her off switch off. Yeah, I used to never break character either. Even backstage, whereas now I do. Yeah. break character backstage, just because it’s a bit. It’s a bit much for everyone else. To be one of my friends. I’ve stayed in character for like an hour trip with her and Sydney and she was at ubitx. I just want to talk to Barney. No, but I’m really careful about that in front of any public. it because it’s a bit too weird. People don’t know me. It’s a weird. It’s just a weird cat. You know, it’s uncomfortable to see her break. Yes, I’m very much in cat. She has her own phone. She has her own. She always has an assistant within our Metro gigs as well. So she’s very much Sharon. Yeah. And she won’t pick up bags or do anything. She just gets her assistant to do everything. Yeah. Rosa will carry the bags. That person Yeah. Yeah, so I am there. But yeah, I think I had to make peace with the crossover of us to be able to be there but not feel like I was breaking character by being there. Yeah, I’m the same. Yeah. But generally when? I don’t know it just comes out of her. Especially, I have shares a few people and I’m actually going to share as the CEO of fringe. Well, next year, she’s her name Sharon as well. She’s asked about shares her two means putting her in like Sharon makeup, a big outfit. And fabulous here. Yeah. And I did that for a journo who sadly passed away now she’s amazing journalist. And the first time I ever shares anyone was with her. And because she was interviewing me, yes. Like, what’s it like, you know, when you put everything on and he got there, and I was like, well, let’s do it. But do you want me to Shas you, she was like, Okay, yeah. And it was she’s she said, I feel different. She’s like, I feel more fabulous. I feel more. Like I’m ready for anything and all that. Yeah. It’s We can’t let what happens when I because I have a whole routine getting ready with her now as well. Yeah, you know, give myself an hour off by myself. But then also I put on pop music. Have a shower, or do the makeup and as you’re transforming you really like did you feel fabulous? Do you know it’s like you put on a really good outfit? Yeah, to go out. You feel good? Yeah, he walked differently. And I’m pretty sure.

 

Bryn Edwards 

That’s probably got a relatable experience of going to let’s even say a fancy dress. Yeah. Where all of a sudden, suddenly they are. Wow, that thing? Yeah. It’s boys dressing up as Centurions Yeah. You hold your shoulders different. Yeah. Got a swagger. doing that?

 

Bonnie Davies 

Yeah. I’m sorry. Think that helps me be here as well. And also because of Sharon walks into the room like she does. People respond differently. So then you automatically the conversation starts at a different point. Anyway, it’s already ridiculous. Yeah. And I often forget that. So I’m doing less gigs at the moment because of COVID. And I’m doing less gigs for more money and transitioning into a new year of jazz anyway. So it means I’m a little bit less you know, when you’re doing two or three or four or five gigs a week, you’re really in the rhythm. Yeah. But because I’m doing less, I have to keep reminding myself of the prep and trust the shares and whatever. And like one of the first gigs I did back in a couple of months, was a dairy was a dairy and as another one. But anyway, I was really surprised. Because it’s such a cold room when you first walk in, they really don’t know who she is or anything. But her outfits alone are a bit of an icebreaker because they’re so fabulous. Yeah, I just as soon as I walked in, people responded. I was like, Oh, that’s right. People, people trust the shows. Yeah, like she’s got this. She’s so fabulous anyway. And then if she’s funny or interesting, on top of that, you know, layers

 

Bryn Edwards 

where she was going,

 

Bonnie Davies 

immediately or in the future was definitely Hollywood is obviously. C’est la is where she would like to go, because that’s where all the Hollywood stars are. So it makes sense. That’s her long term trajectory. And we are in the process of trademarking, very famous for nothing at all in America so that she can send Kim Kardashian the cease and desist on arrival. Just so immediately, you know, this will be five years down the track or whenever it is, immediately on landing, she will be at the same. She’ll be in the same sentence as Kim Kardashian, at least in a few news outlets, I think I think the news will really pick up on that silliness. Yes. That someone’s telling Kim, she can’t do it, even though she was one of the first. Yes, here in Paris. And also that Kim doesn’t want to be famous for nothing at all. She wants people to know about her. Yes, her fashion lines and all the new her law degrees and all the other things that she’s doing. Yeah, shame. Sharon doesn’t shameless Sharon. Seamus. Sharon doesn’t care. Yeah, but immediately we’re at the moment, the short term thing, is that where I’ve broke away, but I’ll just be working on the photo sharing website. Yeah, because I realised I hadn’t really been there for years. And we hadn’t really thought about, I hadn’t really thought about why it exists. And people book her through jello, which is my other company anyway. And, you know, I just thought, Why there? Yeah, what am I doing with it? Yeah. And then saw a couple of fans like trying to find their favourite videos of shares and scrolling through Facebook, and there’s so much crap on there as much as there’s some good stuff. Yeah. And they couldn’t find the right video. And I realised all the websites for the fans are repository. It’s just it’s for them to be able to find all the stuff and just dig You know, when you really love something, you just want to find as much as you can about it. It’s just a treasure trove of shares for them. Yeah. So it’s a famous Sharon fan club. And she’s the president. And so we’ve been working on score she is, and she’s our number one fan. So when people are like, I’m your number one fan, so that when I am but you know, you can join the Champions League. And that has been a really nice process. It was really hard for me to write some of it, because I just feel like it’s actually really important. Yeah, especially as I’m doing less shows. Sharon’s actually not able to see her regulars, you know, that there’s super fans who have supported her from the beginning. I love saying them, and they’re so wonderful. But I just literally can’t. Like I’m just not seeing people. Yeah, as much as her. Especially if we’re doing corporates or regional tours, there’s less of it access. Yeah, I was like, this gives people an opportunity to access her in a way that’s really fun. And they feel valued. You know, they don’t get not seen at the back of a crowd or, you know, they can be rewarded for for being her super fans as well. Yeah, so we’re calling it the champion League, because her fans are her champions. And they champion her and make her more famous. So you can be a champion without joining the Champions League, but by joining the champion, they get becomes official. Yeah. So then there’s a little bit more, we’re building out other things attached to that. So I’m super excited about that, because I think that fan power will be what propelled propels her and also I looked into it a whole lot of research, and the only person who has anything similar is Beyonce, which is pretty good. Yeah, I’m famous for doing something. Yeah. She’s amazing. So, but most celebrities, and most people, most public entities don’t really have a treasure trove. Yes. So you know, they have the gig listings, Dolly Parton has a treasure trove in terms of information. Yeah, but she doesn’t have interactive options. So shares will be crossing over both those sides, which would be really cool. I’m excited about that. Yeah, at the moment, I’m just practising shares, I’ve got to make her funnier, more fabulous. And just enjoy being her and just practising the character stuff and more layers. Yeah. And just I’m really not very good at doing online videos or social media, not for where she should be. And I know that if I get good at that, that’ll be the thing that flips over to the next. She’s already flipping over in terms of corporate work. Yes. In terms of profile. That’ll be the next flip. Yeah, so she’s got to keep practising being shipped basically. Cuz I just have to fail in front of people constantly, which I think held me back a lot in the earlier years. And now I think I worked a lot on my own sense of value and purpose. And do you know what I’m in the arena, and I’m doing this shit. And I’m learning and I’m finding the fires and figuring it out. Yes. And so I’m really careful about whose feedback I yes icon as well. And trolls don’t affect me too much. But she has has started getting trolled. So then that’s a really good sign because that means she’s getting she’s reaching wider audiences. Yeah. But that is interesting. You know, I’ve tried to not give the weight to just the general cacophony, because everyone has an opinion. And a lot of people really feel like they co own chairs a bit, because I’ve been there since the beginning. Yeah, yeah. Even like, she’s not really she’s not political. But people want to use her for political things now. But I, I’m very careful about how she positions things. And yeah, where she sits in that, to keep her character. True. Yes. And, you know, Bonnie personally can be involved in things that Sharon can’t. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And even, you know, there’s a few different charitable kind of stuff, or just communities and worlds that she has definitely wants to celebrate more. But from her perspective, as a character, it’s because she can’t believe they’re not celebrated. Right, you know, and it’s, and it’s very much not about pulling people up, it’s just about giving them the stage for a bit more celebration, let them do their thing do. Yeah, cuz I think that Saviour approach to charity is really dangerous as well. And so, you know, kind of trying to navigate those lines behind the scenes. Yeah. And I’m gonna make mistakes. I’ve made mistakes, big mistakes in the past. So that’s just going to happen. But as long as I’m a piece of that can work on my own shit, then other people can just worry about this. As Sharon says, Don’t get jealous can get famous. stop spending all your time. You know, all that time you spend being jealous or angry at other people. Yeah. Which has its place as well, but not that anger or whatever is a bad thing. But just you know, that nastiness. So that yes, you’ve changed. No shit, like, a fucking changed a lot. I’m gonna keep changing. Yes,

 

Bryn Edwards 

that’s what we do the whole point? Yeah. How do you find that? base based on your experience, creating the character going out and doing what you’ve done? And being on the journey? How is it for you looking into the world? Now? You know, interacting with other people on an everyday Bali? basis? Not the Art of Charm.

 

 

Do you mean? Well,

 

Bryn Edwards 

I guess, you know, you’ve been on a journey with a character and develop something, learn loads of stuff about yourself. Yeah. And this and different layers to that journey. How is it for you to look out into the world into people, you know, whether they’re friends or associates or colleagues or stuff like that? And, and and do you see into them more deeply? Does that? Oh, yeah.

 

Bonnie Davies 

That doesn’t make sense. Yeah, I think it’s interesting, because I used to really not value myself so much, and really only got my sense of value from being of service to other people. And there’s shadows so that the kind of extreme of that is trying to fix everyone. Yes. Not just to fix them. But it even gets worse. It’s to prove myself. And I think I also just wanted to prove myself to people really early on, I think I realised recently. It’s funny because it’s so crosses over sharing. But I really can tell when people don’t notice me practising. They don’t really see me. That makes sense. Because I’m a combination are very serious. Like, I take things quite serious. I also try to dial back, come on days, but also I’m super silly and a bit stupid. My sister has the same. I tried dichotomy. But yeah, we’re both really intelligent, but we’re also really silly. And our whole family laughs a lot. And I really like so I find often people just see one of those. They don’t see both. Yes. And so anyway, I think I really was trying to show people either one of those sides if they didn’t see that side, and I felt like I had to show them that side and prove and they I just don’t just don’t care as much. I just don’t really care because I’ve got you’re willing yourself. Yeah, I’ve just been working on myself and spending more time with myself. And I feel really comfortable in who I am and the choices I’m making. And I’m definitely not perfect. Yeah, just worry less about the external viewpoint, as much as it’s important for branding and sharing and even my own, you know, the way I present myself at all Graham, still conscious of that, because you can’t not be Yeah, but it’s not a focus for me. Yeah,

 

Bryn Edwards 

if that makes sense. That’s a desperate need to Yeah, service and help and, and create value to others. Yeah,

 

Bonnie Davies 

doing things for the wrong reasons. I think. Now, I’m really clear about who I am and where I’m going. And if there’s ever things that are a little bit of a quandary, I think about them, I try to be open to questioning, you know, and learning things, and there’s all sorts of things going on in the world to to figure out and evolve and I want to change, I want to grow as a person. I mean, that’s uncomfortable, but exciting. And so I do really notice now though, because I kind of deal with things. So head on. I think I was it. Someone came over the other day for a barbecue or like a like a drink in the courtyard. And he said, I just find find that people were talking about dating relationships. And it’s like, I just didn’t never attracted to the people who are attracted to me. And they, and someone’s attracted to me and just you know what I was like, Yeah, because you value yourself so little. If they see anything new, you think less of them.

 

 

And he went,

 

 

Oh,

 

Bonnie Davies 

I just kind of had a truth spear for him. Yeah, cuz that. Cuz that’s exactly what was happening. Yeah, could because we’ve been talking about all sorts of other things as well. And I guess I just, and it’s great when I’m having conversations with people who want to talk about the truth. I love those conversations. Because I get the truth is that as well, do you know, because there’s always Yes, that uncomfortable? Oh, yeah. And I have to work through that discomfort myself, you know, like having someone go, Hey, well, do you think maybe it’s because of this? You know, the truth of it. It’s like a summons that realisation is when, once you’ve had a realisation, you see the world differently. Yes. And you just can’t unrealized something? Yes.

 

Bryn Edwards 

So the kind of the basis of that question, which is that people go on journeys, or they think about certain things, or they have these experiences. And then the result is that they can look more deeply inside themselves, which then means that they can look more deeply into the world. And then the two start together, and it paints a lot more colour into your life in terms of meaning, and purpose and ease and grace,

 

Bonnie Davies 

I thought, and it’s some. Yeah, and it’s, it’s a black, it’s x. It’s a joy of life, I think, saying things unfurl and unfold. I think I used to see those things and other people, I’d say things and people that they weren’t seeing whatever and feel like I wanted them to join me, you guys come this way. Come on, get on board, start valuing yourself through hard work, or whatever. And now, I’ve much more respect for where people are at. Yes, today and that journey. Yeah, and like, and some people just especially in the arts, we really, as an industry, we understand ourselves, we undervalue what we do. We escape go to other people who do value what they do, like we we almost reject our peers who, you know, they’re sellouts or they’re all sorts of weird words that we automatically give people. Yeah, it’s interesting. There’s a lot of stuff that is happening all the time just as an industry, let alone as people think universally. Yeah. and business owners on top of that, if you’re an independent artist, you’re a business owner as well. You know, self doubts, all those things, so many things going on for people that sometimes you know, they’re just not ready for what I have. Yes, so I feel like I for a while I thought a bit guilty. I was just like, I feel like I’ve got all these secrets that I need to tell everyone. But now I’ve just found the right places to share them. So I always do a guest lecture with the arts management students, because they really keen to know what’s really going on. How do I really solve these problems? So any like business planning models or ate the frog or all the stuff that I wish I’d learned? When I first started, I just tell them now. It’s a really they’ll take it on board. And also, my mum’s a waste education person. And she says, I’ll talk about, I talk rubbish. I’ll talk rubbish all day, and that she used to work at the tip and I talk rubbish. And she said, She’s always said, some people aren’t ready to make their own soap or do all these things. But at least they know they can. Yeah. So that when they are ready, or they start thinking, Well, I do use a lot of plastic in my home. They know that there’s stuff out there, they can go fine. Yeah, and so that’s kind of, I think, when I found any success, previously, I used to try and share the success. I’ve got to give. Yeah, I’ve got to tell everyone how I did this, I’ve got to have to kind of share this stuff. And often people weren’t ready for it. Or they just don’t even on that same trip, like whatever everyone can never know someone’s full experience of where they’re at. Right now, I just role model. Well, I’m just gonna be it. This is for me, this is how I’m gonna do my life. And then if people want to know, or they’re curious, then I will share that generously. But also with boundaries for myself. So yeah, I’ve recently just Have you heard of traction by Gina Whitman, that book, he’s got some really great, just all the Intel of all the business books in the world basically simplified. And he’s got a two page strategic plan and eltern agenda, but two really simple documents that completely blown my world apart in terms of focus, and and instead of trying to have like, all these different conversations with independent artists, I’m just getting about 14 powerhouse people from who they happen to be women. Actually, I think it just, it’s a whole lot of independent artists that are just flipping over. Yep. Lucy page entry gives. I don’t know if you’ve heard of this has been, ah, she’s amazing. I can’t wait for her Netflix special. I just feel like that will be the thing that makes her worldwide. Start, it’s got to happen. The world needs it. Yeah, but they’re just, you know, they were all flipping over. But to have like a, like flipping to the next level, yes. And, but to have this tool that I’ve just, I pay a lot of money for a business coach for it. They’re never going to get the access to it. So we’re all just going to sit in the room together. And we’re going to walk through it together. And that will be able to create their own videos. But there are the two page strategic plan. Yes, that I found really powerful. But it’s interesting, because I’ve purposely chosen those people, because I know they’re ready for it. Yeah. And I actually had a booking come up the same day, and I ended up turning down the booking, because I tried to move the day, couldn’t find a day where everyone was free again, let you know what this is such a special moment. Let’s just get everyone in the room and share ideas and connect and, and build this. So I think you know, I’m really happy to give up a day and my time for free and hire the venue or whatever. Yeah, when it’s high quality. It’s high quality, and I know they’re ready for it, and they’ll appreciate it. And even if it’s not quite what they need, they’ll get something they want out of it. Yeah. Because Andrew Harvin I think I mentioned to before we even started this podcast is how I met a lot of really amazing mentors and who, including my accounts has been on your podcast a couple times. And and Andrew just did that. Yes, I could have any just brought people together. There was no sales funnel.

 

Bryn Edwards 

Yeah, it was no talk about this. There’s no need to commercialise how poor connections. Yeah,

 

Bonnie Davies 

yeah, it was just but it was also in a way that he was super busy. So he would bring 20 or so people together to meet and chat about ideas, and he would facilitate the day but also keep it pretty loose. And that totally changed my life. At the same time, there are a few other comedians that went along to that, and did not take up any of the learnings today, they weren’t ready for it. But for me, he was just dying to know how to do things better, and was really lost at sea. those meetings and those get togethers that he created totally changed my world. Just soaked it all up like a sponge. So it feels good to be able to Yeah, you know, facilitate those commitments for other people. Because I still have other people who are killing it. You know, she’s doing so well. But it’s so funny because really, like, I have so many colleagues or associates who are, you know, worldwide superstar. Yeah, they’ve got millions of followers or they got shows on stand or Netflix or doing comedy specials, or to the scale of what’s possible. It’s huge. I have so much to learn. And I feel like I’m going to learn some really hard stuff in the next couple of years. Especially as shadow stats really shifting. Yeah, it’s exciting. Yeah, it’s cool. It’s really cool.

 

Bryn Edwards 

I really like Yeah, yeah. We said earlier on, you know, you’re on, you’re on the precipice of being an overnight. Yeah,

 

Bonnie Davies 

which I like, I like who might be able to. I like that I might be able to pull back the curtain a bit on that stuff. And I’m quite honest on my Instagram about the challenges I’ve had. You know, when I was doing I broke up with a long term partner a couple of years ago. And that was a real moment of shifting for me. I think he was holding me back a bit. Yeah. Just the relationship was holding us both back. Yeah. Yeah. And I’ve always been really honest about the hard stuff. Because as much as you can see all the shiny stuff, there’s a lot of work that goes on underneath. Yes. And I think if people are famous for nothing comes at a cost. Alright, and actually, it’s funny, I almost have to write shares his own storyline of what is behind? Because I’ve got my own journey. Yeah. Which is separate. She also needs to have her agent. Yeah. Yeah, cuz she is getting more and more famous now.

 

Bryn Edwards 

She’s a hero’s journey. Yeah, she’s super. The last question I ask all my guests, which is a hypothetical one, but I enjoy listening to the answer is, if I could slow everybody down, everyone, five or 10 minutes, and then Bonnie could upload a question into the collective consciousness to server really sat down and chilled out thought about it? What would that be? Oh, my goodness.

 

Bonnie Davies 

Like, yeah, that’s such an interesting question. I guess it would be what really makes you happy. Cuz I think we get told what makes us happy. Or we assume we know what makes us happy. content, we very rarely to sit down. Consider what really does. Life is so fast that we just keep going for the next thing. The happiness podcast is really good. The happiness lab is what it’s called. That was a really great podcast for me to reflect on. And again, if I expand on that, the reason that I would ask that is, because that’s one of the realisations I had, is that there are lots of people telling me what success was, and telling me what the milestone should be and where she should be and what she should be doing. And she is so much potential that everybody always has 1000 ideas. Yes, she should absolutely have her own reality show. It’d be two minutes long, because that’s all the reality she can handle. Yeah. Yeah. Like, yes, she should have a website. Yes, she should have her name Actually, yes, all these things. And yes, that will make me happy. But actually, what makes me happy? is enjoying the ride. Yes, because I’m gonna live this for the rest of my life. So I’m always trying to get the next thing and I never am grateful for what I have. or looking back or do you know, yeah, being with my nieces makes me really happy. Like, I could almost cry via I love them. And my friends and family, so the success stuff is all really real in terms of, you know, business success. But actually, for me, my true success is when I am still going to the gym and still seeing my family. And not that it’s always consistent, you know, having a big month. I see everyone laughs But it comes back again to it’s like a long range balance. Yeah. So like a week to week life balance. That’s a myth for me, just doesn’t exist in most people’s worlds. But as long as I keep coming back, swinging background to those things that are important, and then back out into the world of commercial stuff, and then back into crew back into family and friends. As long as I’m still already around those things that makes me so happy. But I think if I hadn’t actually taken the time to think about But even just reflect back, you know, what is a good week? Yeah. What is a perfect day for me? Do you know what’s a perfect weekend day? Yeah, actually started a thing in my personal life called frame relay. Because I get really stressed out if my life is so scheduled by clients anyway, do you know yeah, I can’t have a sick day I have to manage. Not getting sick around looking like I just have to, especially right now. Yeah, I have to make sure I don’t put myself in a position where I’ll get sick. And so then I bet that means my life is very scheduled in terms of more schedule in terms of rest and recovery stuff to live with a lot of scheduling. So to add social scheduling on top of that just actually makes me feel ill. Yes, feel overwhelmed. So I started doing this thing called friend roulette. And I just text a friend and say, it’s fun, relax, you never know what you’re gonna get. Do you want to have a drink now? available is immediate. And there’s no, you know, obviously, it’s a ridiculous request. So they say no, it’s like, oh, well, that is fair enough. is in five minutes. But then often, they’re free. Yeah. And then it’s joy. Because I know I have that. Because I pre schedule everything. Yeah, and I don’t know what my whole week’s gonna be like, I don’t know what things are gonna come up for me that day. Or, you know, I don’t know where my energy is going to be at. So to preload a fortnight of social events without really honouring my my body’s ad or mental health. Yes. You know, whatever else. emergencies come up. Yeah. Or other things. Yeah. No, that’s awesome. And now friends starting to do a backseat. Yeah, you available there. Yeah. Sorry, that took me going. I really love friends and I really happy. But I’m feeling really stressed out all the time. When I’ve got like a weekend that’s booked out. Yes. Back to back. No, Bonnie town. And then my own time. Yeah. So then I started doing that. And that’s a problem to solve.

 

Bryn Edwards 

Yes. It’s so easy to be driven by a schedule, which is very cerebral cognitive, mind thing, all I do this, and I do this, and I do this. And I do this and do this. And how often do we I started to do this more checking with the body and the body some time goes.

 

Bonnie Davies 

I’m actually like me in my 20s would just not have been on board for any of this. But, you know, I look at my old Facebook status updates, and they’re all like, sleep is so annoying. So funny. No, it’s amazing. Yeah, the whole idea of stepping back to move forward, you know, taking time out to really progress. Seems like I’ve just had the the approach of working hard. I was I was really good. I’m still I’m really good at getting stuff done. So yes. But now I’m now I try and get the right stuff done. Good stuff.

 

Bryn Edwards 

Yeah, really? Well, don’t always take Yeah, oh, three in a row.

 

Bonnie Davies 

But I’ve actually like in the last six months, because I’ve done like about a year and a half therapy that was really cognitively correct. Yes. I kind of gone as far as I could. I felt pretty in control, and good and was working on my shit. But there’s still some foundational things that I felt weren’t quite shifting, and then started going to people who do bodywork stuff, you were actually talking through your staff and you just then let them know you can feel in your body. They just check in with your body because my body does not lie. Does not it does not lie. And that’s been really eye opening for me. Yeah, right way of just figuring out the things that I haven’t actually truth. Yeah, super. Yeah. I really enjoyed talking today. Oh, I’m glad I feel like we went all sorts of different Oh,

 

Bryn Edwards 

I was tempted to ask, you know, my hypothetical question of what was the question you would load up into the collective consciousness? What would what would famous Sharon’s answer be? Ah, why won’t you get famous? What’s stopping you from moving fast? Yeah.

 

Bonnie Davies 

Because I think essentially fame for her celebration. Yeah. So why wouldn’t you rate yourself? Love it. Yeah. It’s funny how quickly his cane.

 

Bryn Edwards 

Yeah. Now I’ve really enjoyed today for several reasons, like the main one being sell. I seldom get the opportunity to listen to just all the work that goes on behind the scenes. Yeah, comedian. Some something has to happen for someone to turn up in Just consistently do. But what is that, again, the opportunity to sit and listen to it. But then also, the other thing is just the whole existential is going to be with me for a couple of days of having to be two entities.

 

Bonnie Davies 

She does feel really separate too, because people, yeah, you know, write to her on Instagram, and I purposely have never put myself alongside her marketing. Oh, yeah, I’ll talk about her, but she will never talk about me. No, she just doesn’t. Yeah, it’s not. Yeah. So I know, Barry Humphries kind of likes to be more public, but I’m quite happy to just let her have. Yes. Have her she can have her creative world. And that’s fine. Indeed.

 

Bryn Edwards 

Indeed. So yeah, that’s been fantastic. Really interesting. Sit there, listen to you actually just talk about this other person sort of feels like she’s here. But she’s not. Yeah. and stuff like that. And then, you know, to get to the opportunity to ask questions about life. That’s my inquisitive mind, because your furniture

 

Bonnie Davies 

was here. And she would absolutely be here tonight. If I went upstairs and got shots to calm down. Yeah. You would feel it?

 

Bryn Edwards 

Yeah. It would be nice. Yeah. Well, you know, maybe there’s another podcast. Oh, my God. Yes. That would be my I have to really be like, work on my character stuff out your work? Because you know, it’s an hour long call. Yeah. You read everything many life stories. The hero’s journey, yeah. Lifelong. It’s and

 

Bonnie Davies 

that’s some of the cool stuff that came out of the character development stuff that is, so I always knew that I was doing I’ve been doing this character stuff, but I knew it wouldn’t. The public wouldn’t see it for a while. Didn’t like that kind of thing of you not only have to become proficient, but you have to prove to others that you are Yeah. And so I’d started to build this character well for her, but it wouldn’t unfold. publicly. Yes. And you’re also because it has to come out in the socials and our website and whatever. Yeah, billet bit by bit. Yeah. Actually uses a couple of stories and the things that we worked on.

 

Bryn Edwards 

My last and the last few questions that are all are my standard last two questions about looking more deeply into the world? And the one question, yeah, yeah, cuz the one question obviously, those two are slightly more introspective. Yeah, way to finish.

 

Bonnie Davies 

Enjoy the mind. And it’s good. Thanks for doing this chat to reflect again on stuff

 

Bryn Edwards 

of me. No, you very right. Some people do say it’s almost like therapy, sort of therapy, coachee reflection and everything mixed up in what

 

Bonnie Davies 

is those high quality conversations is so good, indeed. Although I feel like I was taught that you

 

Bryn Edwards 

are like, yeah. Funny. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

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