FU: The Return of the Magnetic Human – Rebecca Dawson


Rebecca Dawson returns to share a deeper lens on what many of us are experiencing through some of the major themes of her recent book ‘FU – The Return of the Magnetic Human’.

As always with Rebecca, this was a playfully emergent and exploratory conversation that put its roots in to many of the surrounding recent events.

Explore further with Rebecca at – www.rebeccadawson.net/

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Bryn Edwards  [00:01]

Hello, and welcome back to the podcast. Today, I would like to welcome back. Rebecca. Rebecca, welcome back.


Rebecca Dawson  [00:09]

Hi, Bryn. Good to be here.


Bryn Edwards  [00:11]

Good conversation. For let’s just place you quickly for those who haven’t listened to the last two podcasts that we’ve done together, you will want to just give us a quick, who are you? And how did you end up being here today?


Rebecca Dawson  [00:30]

Oh, okay. How do we encapsulate all of those aspects of self. I’m Rebecca Dawson. Obviously, people know me as a channeler, a speaker and author, I write about new systems and awareness of consciousness. I’m born and bred in Perth, travel all over the place, talking about new ways of looking at things.


Bryn Edwards  [00:55]

Awesome. covers it. And if you want to dive more into that story, go back to the first podcast. So there we go. And so you’ve recently put written and put out a book. This is your first book.


Rebecca Dawson  [01:14]

It’s actually my fourth fourth book. Yeah. Okay.


Bryn Edwards  [01:20]

Where did this come from?


Rebecca Dawson  [01:24]

Well, it came from deep within the void space within me. Yeah. So do you mean the subject matter? Or or how was the information?


Bryn Edwards  [01:31]

Came deep within the void space within you? Yes. So


Rebecca Dawson  [01:35]

it was bubble up? Yes. It was actually presented as a series of eight seminars. Yep. Over six months in 2020. Yep. And it really dives into the principles of our magnetic functioning, and how humanity is shifting from an electrical based system of Operation back into a magnetic core principle, and how that aligns with natural laws and practices.


Bryn Edwards  [02:05]

And we’re gonna get into that. So it’s called foo? lambrate en la. Yeah, it’s


Rebecca Dawson  [02:14]

an interesting word, isn’t it? Because when very simple, isn’t it? It is, it is very simple. And it came through in the first the first set of lectures that we did on it. And it was a word that the team of masses that I channel were using to describe the principle of the magnetic resonance and functionality of the human form. I didn’t really know what food meant. And what’s interesting about it is that when you hear the word fu inside yourself, like if you hear it within as a thought, it feels very, very different to how it feels when you hear it spoken. And to me, that was a huge clue. Yes, because what it tells us is that there is a resonance for sound and truth within that’s very different to the language that we use. Yes. And I had to go and actually research and find out well, what what does fu mean? Is there any reference to it in our own history, and what I found was that it’s a word that’s used. It’s one of the I Ching combinations in Chinese divination, right? And it essentially means to return. And I love that because the whole principle of magnetic energy is that it always returns back down to where it began.


Bryn Edwards  [03:29]

Remember our physics lesson in school, wherever you put a magnet underneath a piece of paper and put the iron filings, it always has those lovely, circular, almost like the seed of an apple going out, round and back


Rebecca Dawson  [03:44]

to Royo. Right. But what I love about the sense of fu is that rather than it going out and back around this way, I tend to feel it like a leaning back into self. Right? And to me, it’s a very different movement. Yeah.


Bryn Edwards  [04:02]

So to write this book, The information comes from the void. It’s delivered over a series of lectures. And as we’ve talked about, you’ve channelled it in. But even still, you’re the vessel that brought it here. So you must be now a vessel that carries an amount of wisdom.


Rebecca Dawson  [04:34]

Well, actually, I love that you just said that, because I’ve been exploring a new way of looking at actually how we carry wisdom these days. And what I’ve come to is that we have this strong belief that our bodies are storage devices, and that we can store and contain information. And when we talk about that we usually talk about absorbing information. Shun? Yes, all wisdom from external sources. Yes, and we keep them in here. We store them either in cellular memory or in our minds or subconscious. But I’m starting to feel more into the truth that actually we’re void spaces, that information comes out of into the world and becomes manifest. So in that, I feel as if the more conscious we become, the less we naturally want to store wisdom and information and knowledge. And the more we want to be open to what’s available in this moment, what’s available in this moment, because our memory and information informs so much about what we experienced right now that we actually miss what is happening right now. We’re usually looking at things retrospectively, instead of being present to the miracle that’s unfolding in the moment.


Bryn Edwards  [05:55]

And that would tie in with which is a large, probably one of the major parts of the book, which is that our electrical based systems are systems of control, and repetition,


Rebecca Dawson  [06:15]

right? Is that correct? Right, where we send and receive information? Yes. Right. So we want to just data circuit


Bryn Edwards  [06:22]

elaborate on that a little bit. For a listener that’s coming into this, obviously, I don’t need you to cover the book. Read it. But just to position someone, and then we’ll come back to this as a void space.


Rebecca Dawson  [06:37]

Okay. So when you asked me just before about, you know, do I have all of this with wisdom? Yeah, I would say that I don’t, because I’d say the more conscious I become, the less I carry. And the more open I am for things to flow. So it’s really interesting.


Bryn Edwards  [06:53]

Yesterday, that was the most important question I had to ask you today. Oh, okay.


Rebecca Dawson  [07:01]

I love that. And it’s interesting, because I was just sharing with a friend yesterday, that I came to a point, probably about five years ago, maybe six years ago, where I realised that there was so much amazing information that was coming out in the channelings, and the lectures that I was giving. But I would have an inability to continue to bring out new views and perspectives if I actually held on to any of the information. So if I held on to it, and created beliefs out of it, and stored it in me as this is, you know, my content or this is the truth, yes, that it would almost clog up my system back.


Bryn Edwards  [07:42]

Is that clear? A lot of people talking about that,


Rebecca Dawson  [07:47]

is that exactly. And so then I wouldn’t be able to access more and more, and that’s the pipe. Yeah, that’s the food. And so and so I really have to be willing to burn anything that comes through. So I bring it through, I express it, I communicate it, I share with whoever feels they want to engage with it, and then do with it what you will I’m on to the next


Bryn Edwards  [08:13]

then that will go into somebody else that then cycles round exam to let it go.


Rebecca Dawson  [08:22]

Exactly. And some people want to hold on to it and create something with it fantastic. But for me, I’m really focused on what else what else, what else, what else, so don’t attach to any of the information because that’s when we start generating those beliefs. And I know we were talking a little bit about the leafs earlier. So in terms of the electrical system of how we operate within this world, and how we’ve understood ourselves as electric beings, that’s very, that’s very specific to a third and fourth dimensional reality where we’re points on a circuit board, and we have to build up charge and donate energy in order to keep things running. So just as a ball runs along the floor, you know, you put energy into the ball, transfers it into the ball, the ball moves.


Bryn Edwards  [09:10]

And I think anyone could take that and look outside and the rest of their life at the moment in terms of the systems and the stories and the way of being that we live in at the moment that just perpetually needs energy input into


Rebecca Dawson  [09:30]

it, right?


Bryn Edwards  [09:34]

That if you stop and think about that will leave you feeling extraordinarily fatigued.


Rebecca Dawson  [09:39]

Of course because you build up charge you donate energy, yes. And then you have to kind of rest Yeah, and build it up again and donate energy.


Bryn Edwards  [09:50]

And as always the promise


Rebecca Dawson  [09:51]

that it will come back to


Bryn Edwards  [09:54]

you it will come back to you. Let’s talk about you know, 50 6050 years of work In life, and then the retirement, when it’ll all come back to you, does it always come back in the way that you do you get those years back?


Rebecca Dawson  [10:10]

Well, there generally tends to be some effect of energy loss as that energy gets passed on through that circuit board. And it can take a while to come back around. And it’s never, it’s never an equal measure.


Bryn Edwards  [10:25]

And I think one of the other things that I found interesting about the electrical analogy was to consider that, for the circuit to operate it everyone has to be connected in it, no one’s allowed out, because they’ll break it. And hence why we fight vehemently to keep people in it. Yeah. And that everyone has to have the same sort of, you have to have always like a bit of resistance dampened into you. So everybody can pass the same level of circuit, so becomes very homogenous,


Rebecca Dawson  [11:02]

right? Because everyone’s going to be sitting within the same range of current, or the same spectrum of vibrational frequency to keep those systems operational. And of course, what we see happening on the planet right now is that humanity’s consciousness is superseding that frequency range, yes. And so the systems are struggling to keep going, and will do really, that the belief around the requirement for those systems will do anything that it can to keep human consciousness within that range of operation to keep it going.


Bryn Edwards  [11:35]

And the last time we spoke, Richard was during COVID, zoom, you talked about the more pressure of consciousness builder, the more you know, it’s like a web or like a fabric that gets stretched, and you can start to see the holes in it. And I think, even if you’re listening to this, and we’re only what a week from the election last week, the federal election last week, I think, by the fact even by the result itself, if you look at how many people voted for in the an independent candidate, people are starting to see through what’s been in place, two parties, and I would hope that it won’t be too long before we start seeing through the whole game of democracy itself. I think we’re getting closer and closer to that, as people become more and more this illusion.


Rebecca Dawson  [12:35]

Right? I think that’s really interesting, actually. Because while you’re saying that, it occurs to me that the more conscious we become, we stopped seeing differentiation between individuals within the system. And we start to see the differentiation between the conscious human and the system itself. Yes. So political parties will start to look the same. Yeah, in any regards.


Bryn Edwards  [12:55]

It does. It does. And there’s we’re gonna go with the flow, because we’re jumping all around the boat, which is fun. The epilogue itself, about being unapologetic. And where are we this week? We’re in reconciliation week. And I started I thought about it and I thought, Okay. Because over the last years, last couple of years, it’s become apparent to me how colonisation has affected me individually. Now. That’s a big thing to say. Because look at me, I’m a white middle class. Well to do male so how is colonisation fucked me up? Well, if I considered my The school I went to the English boys boarding school and what that did and that being a, a, an arm of this sort of colonisation systemized thinking thing. And I think it’s interesting to look at it now. And I sat last night and thought about it. And I thought, well, whilst Yes, whilst I was captured by that system, I take responsibility for my actions, and I am apologetic for them. But I can’t be apologetic for a system because I am not the system I exist separate to. And I think if we can, if we can get to that level of nuance and delineation then we can really progress with things like Sorry, weak and reconciliation.


Rebecca Dawson  [14:41]

Well, I think the key word there is rather than existing separate form, we exist regardless of Yes. And I think that enables bring wholeness to the system if we’re still existing within it. Yes. But what’s really interesting about colonisation, for me is the precursor to colonisation. One is actually superconscious I love it. The Pioneer ship. Yes. So being a pioneer and being an explorer and coming out and discovering new things, yes. I mean, that really is that is exciting. That’s exciting and that always precedes colonise. Yes,


Bryn Edwards  [15:17]

there was like this exciting, open minded, curious, very brave people went and did amazing things. And then shortly afterwards,


Rebecca Dawson  [15:28]

the systemization comes in. Yes. And that’s the distinction between the conscious human or the new human and a human that’s become completely systemized. Isn’t the conscious human is the one that’s always looking for new discovery. Yes. The less conscious human is one that just wants to settle. So create boundaries, contain containment, put the rules in and start to get into a repetitious lifestyle.


Bryn Edwards  [15:58]

Yes, and then we’d have electrical system of repetition, containment, and then we start seeing village industries like risk and compliance, and health and safety. And


Rebecca Dawson  [16:13]

yes, in designated roles and functions and things, yes.


Bryn Edwards  [16:18]

And then we get to this individualised competitive hierarchy.


Rebecca Dawson  [16:23]

But the unapologetic human, which is the epilogue of that book, interestingly, was brought through while I was in an old short forest down near Busselton. So that came after the rest of the content. Yeah. And I love that I’m looking at this, people on camera can’t see. But there’s this amazing picture of a tree that Bryn has here. Yeah. And actually, that information came through my interaction with the trees down there. And it occurred to me speaking about being unapologetic, we are really the only species on the planet that has this concept of an apology. Whereas, you know, you see something in nature, like a tree and whatever direction it grows in or how, however it is, there is no concept of getting it wrong. No. Disappointing anyone? No, no.


Bryn Edwards  [17:15]

It, it grows. And life is its central organising principle, and it does what it needs to do. But it’s also not by itself in a forest, is it?


Rebecca Dawson  [17:31]

No, but it’s it’s looking at being a part of natural law, you’re a part of natural law, there is no concept of breaking natural law, whereas we exist in these adopted invented systems of law. Yes. Where of course in apology is inherent, because it’s separate from natural law. Yeah, it’s really interesting.


Bryn Edwards  [17:53]

It is it is. And that’s one of the things I was thinking about the end, which is that if we understand that there is this other space that’s been created, post pioneering this repetitious space that, if that is that has been created, and it can create repetitious systems that aren’t anchored at zero and not anchored in, in natural law. And one of the fascinating things I was thinking about, as we got towards the end of the book is a third space where that’s beyond the to natural law and this thing. Mm hmm. And, yeah, I guess going back to what you were saying earlier on about sort of being a wisdom carrier, being more of a void. It is long resonated with me that the answers to many of the existential challenges we face at the moment are beyond the individual horsepower of one person. And it’s also beyond what we’ve done before. And so therefore, it has to be no. And I think one of the, one of the people who asked me why I paused the podcast, is because I got to a place where I was looking for other people to have emergent conversations. So where the previous 200 conversations have been about, like with yourself, so what did you do where you come from, dah, dah, dah, dah. How did you get to this place? And then, you know, let’s reflect all across it. I’ve done that.


Rebecca Dawson  [19:46]

Yeah, I’ve done it to death. It’s like a review isn’t Yes,


Bryn Edwards  [19:49]

but I understood the patterns. I now get the patterns. And so now I can see it and feel the patterns. Now we can see what Alices there, beyond the patterns, and that then became, who were the people that I can talk to where we just talked about, we may look like we’re just talking about stuff. But neither of us are getting captured in what’s being spoken about. So one toaster to recreate three and three is really exciting.


Rebecca Dawson  [20:23]

Well, if you could see the energy field in the room right now, and what’s happening in the space between the two of us, you can see that we’re actually creating new forms. Yes, as we’re having this conversation, and that’s a co creation and itself. Yes. So there’ll be new ways of looking at things as a result of this conversation that didn’t exist before.


Bryn Edwards  [20:42]

Yeah, I’ve got one already.


Rebecca Dawson  [20:47]

You know, that’s a great, great, a great reference to that concept of the body being avoided in in history. And we see it in a lot of mythology and a lot of different cultures, about living Gods becoming stone idols. And you think back to Greece, and Egypt and Babylon and beyond, where you have these incredible, super conscious beings. Some people think they were the original humans, I would probably agree with that. But the more emphasis there became on absorbing information and data. Yes, we became storage devices. And of course, thought has mass to it. Yes. And so the more information, thought based information we store and we try to keep in our memories, we become heavier and denser and denser and denser and denser until the living Gods turn into stone. And don’t Yes, and then you’re pretty unmovable. Can’t really do too much. But no, you moved around. Yes. You now have a function. Yes, you can now be placed on a map. That’s where you sit. That’s where you belong. Yes. Very different. To sovereignty and freedom. Yes. So for me the freedom in the hierarchy, right. So for me the sovereignty, sovereignty and freedom is in not storing information. There’s something very empowering about sitting in the space of I don’t know, I wonder what’s going to happen next. Yes.


Bryn Edwards  [22:28]

What is flowing? Yeah. And yes, certainly, if we think about how do we, we be in weird, Western industrialised, educated, rational, democratic? How do we generally tend to store it or write it down in books? We, you know, we give it loads of mass and matter. And then we put it into libraries. And then we go to university to read the libraries, of all the things that have passed. Yet other cultures don’t write things down. They tell stories and the stories of fluid comes


Rebecca Dawson  [23:11]

out of them. Yes. Again, it’s that food comes out and back in, out and back in. Like, it’s very difficult to tell a story the same way twice. It’s


Bryn Edwards  [23:29]

always new, it is always different. Yeah. It’s difficult


Rebecca Dawson  [23:32]

these days to recollect a memory the same way twice. It will remember it differently each time. Have you noticed that your voice is changing the sound of your voice and the tonality and vibration of it? It’s got quieter, because every time you express now the vibration is slightly different.


Bryn Edwards  [23:55]

I’m finding that I forget things. But it seems all right. It’s not worrying.


Rebecca Dawson  [24:08]

It’s interesting, because when we wrote the first book, which was about the shift from 3d to five d, that information started coming through in 2010. So quite some time ago, and one of the key symptoms of people that were I don’t really like to use the word ascension, or like decent and better. But people that are really beginning to become very conscious is that memory loss begins to happen. You forget, you forget what you did yesterday, you forget something you just read. You forget where you were last week and so many people from around the world were contacting me saying, I think I have early onset of Alzheimer’s or dementia or something’s happening here because my memories going and yes, it was just such a typical symptom. Yes, the more people become present, the less they’re relying on stored information. They start to switch over to the cosmic you know, availability If information


Bryn Edwards  [25:01]

Yeah, that probably explains why I find at times words so tiresome. Yeah.


Rebecca Dawson  [25:10]

Yeah, language is interesting, isn’t it?


Bryn Edwards  [25:13]

Yeah. I mean, we, when you arrived, we were talking about the book, just for the listeners point of view. And I was saying, Yeah, I took a few notes through it. But the last chapter, I’m going to have to go and draw it. And the drawing is so much more. Yeah, so much more than me just writing a few notes now.


Rebecca Dawson  [25:41]

Or we’re just developing so much more super capacity in our other senses. Now, as our vibration shifts, one of the most interesting ways I’m finding of communicating and sensing and understanding is actually through touch. So if you had a concept or an idea, or you were viewing something in a particular way, just touch sorry, my hands are probably really cool. It’s all there. Yes. And I’ve been playing with that in recent months. And that’s quite extraordinary.


Bryn Edwards  [26:13]

So that is to be very present in something that’s emerging from the void, then just to


Rebecca Dawson  [26:23]

Yeah, Pastor, it’s really amazing. And we live in a culture in a society where touch is becoming increasingly taboo. Yes, and yeah, it’s one of the most socially isolated, yeah, it’s one of the most powerful ways that we can experience and transmit and express new views of the universe. And consciousness is actually through touch. You think about infants, and they need touch to thrive. Anyone that’s studied psychology learns this. Of course, why? Because it’s information about the environment, about the conditions of this planet, about the nervous system about how your body works. So much is transferred through the skin. That’s amazing.


Bryn Edwards  [27:14]

There was an interesting part as well, right at the end, he wrote about the vagus nerve, and Vaes nurses to be all the thing at the mind.


Rebecca Dawson  [27:22]

I was I actually remember when that question came through, and I there was a part of my mind going oh, God, I don’t know anything about that.


Bryn Edwards  [27:29]

Yeah. Well, it’s interesting, because I say three years ago, out of the blue, a lovely lady called Fran fuller rang me up and invited me to learn how she was teaching a group and she invited me to learn how to do trauma released tremoring in my body, says, Bring it on involuntary tremors. And so I went along, and I had this enormous release and sat in the car, and I was crying. And I was like, right, this is it. And then, and I had this fantastic conversation recently with a guy called Richmond who brought tremor into Australia. And we had a discussion about my journey further and further into my own nervous system. And, you know, obviously, the, the vagus nerve is a key part of that. And one of the ways that it’s been described to me is that it’s, the sympathetic nervous system is almost like the security alarm around you built around the building. And so what actually is the security alarm? Picking up? Because it’s not? It’s not actually physical. You know, even if I stood here with a knife, right. And I’ve not done anything yet, you’ll still your vagus nerve will be far enough. And you’ll be into fight or flight. So it’s, it’s just sitting back and thinking with that. It’s not actually something physical, that you’re picking up on. It’s something else, which for an everyday person, who everything has to be physical and same with now, easily delving into the unseen? Well, I


Rebecca Dawson  [29:14]

think there’s vibration, of course, that our nervous system is automatically attuned to, but there’s something else in what you just said, as well, because unless I had a unless I had seen a knife before or knew what a knife was, or had some memory or some kind of mental context around what that means. Would I go into fear what I react, it’s so interesting, because there’s this whole matrix of belief that our nervous system is like a veil or a filter that our nervous system senses through. And I think we really, really underestimate that. And yet when you’re totally in present moment, ever Everything is new. And when everything is new, you have no idea what that thing is that the person is holding. That’s interesting. Look at the shape of it. Look how the light glints on it. Look at the expression on that person’s face. I wonder what that means. But we have all of this inherent cellular memory that carries through belief and meaning for us. Yes, of course, we have to have some of because otherwise, we wouldn’t know how to be human and how to be in the world. But it becomes so saturated every day, right? It becomes so saturated that all of our choices and reactions and responses tend to be based upon memory, rather than what’s actually available in the moment.


Bryn Edwards  [30:41]

And when you when, when, when you sit with that you realise just how disconnected from reality you actually are.


Rebecca Dawson  [30:49]

While the mind is very focused on what’s already happened, rather than what is happening in this moment,


Bryn Edwards  [30:57]

please take his takes us back to our highly ordered electrical system. Exactly.


Rebecca Dawson  [31:02]

Exactly. And I love to love the idea of noticing what’s happening in the moment. Because when you’re actually in the moment, every every aspect of life is an invitation. It’s an invitation into more, it’s an invitation. And I just love that so much. Because instead of like in duality, your say someone’s standing there holding a knife and you’re in reaction to them. There’s this electrical, yes, interaction that’s happening and lights bouncing off. And what do we do?


Bryn Edwards  [31:32]

Electrical with the nervous system, they do


Rebecca Dawson  [31:34]

action and reaction. But if you’re totally in present moment, what you see and the appearance of that is like a doorway that you can actually move through into a new room for a whole new set of experiences. So you’re never really in reaction to anything. You’re always just really curious about what’s going to happen. And it can totally change the permutation of what’s possible in that moment.


Bryn Edwards  [32:00]

It opened up to a whole realm of possibility. Yeah.


Rebecca Dawson  [32:03]

Yeah. Yeah, it’s quite amazing.


Bryn Edwards  [32:07]

And then that the future becomes very exciting. And the unknown becomes exciting.


Rebecca Dawson  [32:13]

And what used to be fearful or seemed like a threat or a limitation, suddenly becomes an opportunity for something new to happen.


Bryn Edwards  [32:23]

That really addresses out our relationship with the unknown?


Rebecca Dawson  [32:29]

It does. It does. I was telling actually, I friend a story the other day about how when I was I was 16. And I went to Europe for the first time I was on an exchange. And it was it ended up being this crazy adventure because I ended up being put with a mafia family and they left the country and I had to kind of figure out what I was going to do for a few months. I know it’s crazy. And I was I was on a train once from Milan, coming back to Venice. And it was one of those characters where you have like six people sitting there and you’ve got those long hallways, and they closed the doors on those cabins with the seats. And it was it was a long train ride ahead was nighttime. And there were a lot of people standing in the corridor. So I thought, oh, there’s no seats anywhere. And so I walked up and down. And sure enough, all of the little compartments will fall. But I came across one. And there was five people in there and there was one seat in the middle on one side door three and three. So I thought oh, great. I’m gonna grab that seat. And as I opened the door to go in, I noticed that all the people in the in the passageway were kind of going, What is she doing? And I thought, that’s fine. So I went in there and I sat down and I looked up and I realised that I was sitting in this little compartment with a neo Nazi gang. Full on swastikas. Everything Yeah. And I thought, wow. And I couldn’t believe it. And and so I sat down. And as I did, I just kind of looked at them, and I felt this energy come over me. And this is before I actually started channelling, which was a couple of years later. And then so there were five of them, four of them instantly fell asleep, like, passed out. And then there was one who was still awake. And we started this amazing conversation. Because I was so present. Yes. And he started to cry and tell me about his history. And he was the leader of this gang. We shared a sandwich. And about three hours later, train stopped, everyone woke up and we got off the train, but we yx I gave him my address because he said he wanted to write to me. Yeah. And and I got a letter from him a couple of years later saying that that conversation, it completely changed his life. He got out of the gang, he went home, he got married, he had a kid. And it was just amazing how in that present moment there was no fear it was an opening. Whereas if I had have gone into, yes, all of the belief around that it would have been a reaction experience.


Bryn Edwards  [35:10]

Yes. Yeah. I don’t think a lot of us I think a lot of us miss that genuine present connection with others. How many times have you wanted to really explore and talk about something, and as soon as you get in to a part of it a part of the awkward emotions, friends want to come in and just make you feel better? Back to their friend, in a shitty place. No. Yeah, yeah. And it’s like, I look, I had it last November, I’ll be super transparent. I had it last November, when our premiere decided that it was time to mandate vaccines across crossed the, that the the workplace. I had such existential despair, at the fact that there weren’t people on the streets rioting about this, why not? And I just was despairing of the world. And I tried to talk to a few people. And he was like, no, no, it was not like there’s been or, Oh, come on, like, let’s come and do this instead, let’s not think about, you know, and it was no, no, I need a space to go into that with another person. To acknowledge it, to express it to release it. And in the end, I had I had during previous podcast, guests, Sean none up and I said, Shawn, I need a space that don’t need you to save me in this space. I get it. We I took 40 minutes of a conversation, and it was done. And now I move through through life with more ease and grace. Thanks to that. There is no requirement to save me. There was no, there was no, my extra charge on the situation was not firing up his extra charge, which was then.


Rebecca Dawson  [37:38]

Yeah, no action and reaction. No, because you weren’t really looking for a reaction. No, I wasn’t. You’re just looking for permission to be unapologetic. Correct how you feel?


Bryn Edwards  [37:48]

Yeah, you know, I may have uttered the sentence, all I want to do is going to person burn the whole thing down. Much like in the closing scenes of Fight Club.


Rebecca Dawson  [38:03]

Well, I haven’t seen that movie, but I can feel the essence of it.


Bryn Edwards  [38:07]

Yeah, I just want to burn it all. Anyway,


Rebecca Dawson  [38:11]

but you know, fire is fire. Humanity’s getting fired up. And it’s important because it brings brings life, we need fire for change. And I think that we’ve become so subdued in this electrical sense of society that we have that the only permission we really have to get fiery is if it’s building up charges, we can donate or invest into the


Bryn Edwards  [38:39]

justifiable anger. We can virtue signal. So there’s a lot in the book we talk about, almost like the reality built on natural law. And then there’s the you put forward the introduced coding. Yeah, and that is what we’ve been talking about the repetitious control, lack of creativity. But then there’s a third thing, which is the human in all of this. I think a lot of us are becoming acutely aware of this space, they’re controlling space, a lot of us will be drawn to spend time at the beach or walk in the forest or spend time in the ocean or whatever it is to connect to something that feels more whole and wholesome. Tell us more about the third place, which is actually both


Rebecca Dawson  [39:51]

Well, I mean, the human is the greatest creative species in this galaxy and probably beyond. So I feel that you know, we we function very well when we move with natural law because that’s how we’re designed to function. We don’t We are of the land we are, we don’t function so well when we will operate within coding of requirement. And we use that term quite a lot in the book actually coding of requirement, because what we find is that there is an underlying driver requirement that dictates what we do. Exactly. This is what drugs are wired. Yeah, so A plus B equals C, therefore we need a and b means to an end, sacrifice. So we don’t really understand what choice is because we’ve always been asked to choose between a and b. And that’s not choice choice is when we get to choose from an infinite number of possibilities. So the sovereignty that is available to us as humans is available if we are starting to move back into sitting within natural law. And that doesn’t mean just being out in nature. That means making choices from whatever arises in the moment and not sitting in a sense of requirement, and functionality. Because if you look at how we look at nature, even from a coded system requirement, we see all the components of nature and every aspect of nature in this world as having a function


Bryn Edwards  [41:26]

that then can be commodified.


Rebecca Dawson  [41:28]

Or can be categorised or can be understood. So we like to assign a function so that we can understand things. And we like to understand things so that we can then control them in some way. So that’s not too different to how we treat ourselves and how we treat humanity. We like to assign everyone a function and a role. So we know exactly what it does. And then we can arrange things the way that we would like it to be. But that’s what I call Kotik. cutting across the cosmic grain. Yes, because inherently we are energetic beings. And if everything is energy forms and reforms all the time, we’re always in flux. And yes, while encoded systems of reality, there are patterns of repetition that occur inherently we’re not really patterned, not as vibrational beings. So we have a challenge right now in this shift in consciousness to move from being very patterned and functional and sitting identifiably as requirements to move back into flow back into the cosmic flow of natural law, so that we can actually start to bring more to this planet more that’s about thriving and less about surviving.


Bryn Edwards  [42:47]

Yes. Yes.


Rebecca Dawson  [42:49]

So it’s the way we do things that can change. I


Bryn Edwards  [42:53]

think it was the first page that you talked about adaptation and adaptation to survive, which to me is almost a mal adaptation. Rather than adapting with growth, and life and creativity, right, I’m flowing with that,


Rebecca Dawson  [43:16]

right? Or adaptation, I feel is very different to creation. Yeah, the understanding of it, because adaptation is where we adapt to what already is yes, rather than we create what is not yet. Yes. So again, one’s looking retrospectively, and one is looking forward.


Bryn Edwards  [43:37]

Yes, it was the wisdom of the past. And the magic of the future.


Rebecca Dawson  [43:41]

Right. So somehow, and I liked the way you you put that actually. So there’s your beautiful visual interpretation that you’ve got retrospective? Yeah, coding and requirements, 3d systems, and then you’ve got the natural law in the multi dimensionality for possibility. And then you’ve got the human sitting in the middle, exactly where the interface between the cosmic world and this 3d Earth reality.


Bryn Edwards  [44:06]

And we are an entity in our own right. That sits in between the two. Yeah, making that the


Rebecca Dawson  [44:12]

Yeah, I think the trick is not to negotiate. Because so many people, you know, they move into this space, and they think, Well, how am I going to live doing this and being functional and doing all the things I need to do and knowing all of this. And I think the most wonderful thing is that we don’t have to choose between one or the other. We can just be aware of both. And in any given moment, our focus can shift from there to there, or perhaps to somewhere else. And the easy way to switch between the two what might be the right tool for the job to come back to yourself indeed. Which is why you know, being present and doing the things that you enjoy that bring you Yeah, So you happiness in your body being meditation for people who enjoy that or not ocean swims always brings you back to the body. Because the body is the interface.


Bryn Edwards  [45:12]

Yes. The space between?


Rebecca Dawson  [45:15]

Yes, well actually my next series is the body is the lens. So if we think about the body is avoid space rather than a sum of parts, and we look out of it into the world we face,


Bryn Edwards  [45:29]

which we do


Rebecca Dawson  [45:37]

that’s all the question of how we see the shape of our lens keeps changing. Otherwise, we’d be really bored, wouldn’t we? I would be like watching a movie or like Cena done it. What else? Yeah, keeps changing, it’s great.


Bryn Edwards  [46:17]

There’s there’s another bit in the book, though, I enjoyed this concept of because living in Earth feels very full. The moment full of stuff. And this concept that there’s more and more consciousness coming to the planet at the moment to open up that the fabric rich that fabric, and the concept that there might be a lot of people here, but that doesn’t necessarily equate consciousness.


Rebecca Dawson  [46:58]

Or I’m sorry, that’s a whole nother topic. I just love it. Um, we should have been playing with recently, because the masters have been coming through in some more recent content that we’ve done and talking about how there’s actually not so many of us here. Yes, it just appears like there’s a lot of us here. Yes. And so I’ve been playing with that a little bit. And so anyone who really wants to have some fun, go out in public and just sit there and watch. And start to notice what’s just background. And what’s actually real, yes, because within whatever vibrational range of frequency you sit in, there is not 7 billion people a billion people sitting in that range. In the reality that you sit in, only the people that are in a similar vibrational frequency to you actually exist within your dimensional reality. And the rest of us


Bryn Edwards  [47:59]

realise that ground people who are on your on your wavelength, yeah, but actually begin


Rebecca Dawson  [48:03]

to realise that in a roomful of 100 people, and most of them are what I like to call NPCs, or non player characters might be one or two that actually truly exist for you. So there’s not so many of us at any given time.


Bryn Edwards  [48:27]

And it’s all the consciousness that’s come into the planet only held in humans.


Rebecca Dawson  [48:32]

And also, the more conscious we become, the more collective we become. So the more you become aware that you’re holding multiple points of consciousness at once. So there might be like, five of me here, different forms.


Bryn Edwards  [48:47]

Your home for all of them. Yeah, it was interesting that it’s long ago, I had this very strong resignation with a really nice, lovely house that’s just down by the river. And through a period of time, I was convinced that this was I was going to win the lottery winner, which would have been lovely. Except for the fact after a period of time, I realised the reason why I was resonating with it was because the house was May. And there was lots of rooms in it. And even when I thought about owning the house, I always thought it’d be nice to invite lots of spirit into it. And lots of people that had spirit and seen and unseen and then it would just be a place for brimming full of life. And, and then it took a while before I realised, ah, it’s not that I’m gonna win the lottery. It’s me. That’s why I resonate. I love that. There’s lots of room.


Rebecca Dawson  [49:55]

Lots of space within, but you know the feeling the feelings that you had having that experience means that within your consciousness you have experienced having that house. Yes. So now you don’t actually need to have it physically in reality because you’ve already had the experience. Indeed, that’s living a rich and full life.


Bryn Edwards  [50:14]

It is. It is. That said Brynn here in 3d Radek would like slightly bigger. Just because I feel like I’m, well, you well beyond the the boundaries of it, you will. But again, I find that interesting to consider that more and more consciousness coming to spread this way you’ve read this fibre?


Rebecca Dawson  [50:47]

Oh, definitely. Haven’t you noticed all the lights changed? And colours are different. Everything’s becoming more vivid. Oh, yeah. And that happens when the fabric of reality that’s so saturated become so stretched, that the light and form inside that I’m going to use the word simulation starts to look different. That’s already happening now. Which means there’s more space. And if there’s more space, there’s more opportunity for creation. And we start to feel less claustrophobic. But you know, during COVID, we all felt incredibly claustrophobic with the rules that were going on.


Bryn Edwards  [51:29]

But at the same time, that you’ve got to stay here, you’ve got to stay in Western Australia. You’ve got which is another conversation as well. You know, I mean, of all the places to be stuck on the world.


Rebecca Dawson  [51:50]

Only the most isolated capital city in the world,


Bryn Edwards  [51:53]

but the oldest landmass on the planet. Yes. Brimming full of life.


Rebecca Dawson  [51:59]



Bryn Edwards  [52:01]

be stuck here. Don’t go anywhere else be stuck here. Beyond this land, the oldest lap slide I looked at sometimes it’s like I was the party game racer, it’s jet or switch music off and you got you got a musical chairs chair. That’s of course. I feel like a great game of musical chairs. And then COVID was switched to musical.


Rebecca Dawson  [52:50]

How blessed am I? Yeah. Yeah, true. I have to say I found it challenging not being able to travel.


Bryn Edwards  [52:57]

But yes, back to it is being stuck being in there. And the fact that you know, many of the external anchors that people and many others use to define who we are and how we do life are just taken away, or at the very least, shaken? Yeah, so all of a sudden,


Rebecca Dawson  [53:18]

it meant that the reference points for who we were started to disappear in many ways. Like for me, my whole sense of self is being out in the world, and travelling and seeing new things and discovering new people. And suddenly, all I had was my work from home as well. So I had home and I had my more importantly, I had my physical body. Yes. And there was nowhere to go, there was no way for me. You know, I was talking about the body as a lens and we look out into the world. I had to actually direct my focus back to myself for the first time you probably in my life and became acutely aware of what it feels like to be me. Yes. And what does it feel like in this body? And and what does it feel like to breathe? And what does my skin feel like? And what are my thoughts feel like? And I’ve never directed my attention inwards like that before? I have for the purpose of meditation, or the purpose of learning new things, but not with absolutely, exactly. Never hits that to experience what it feels like to be in this human form. And so for me, it’s been your reg. Exactly.


Bryn Edwards  [54:37]

It’s a it’s just in your


Rebecca Dawson  [54:39]

rig. Yeah. And and during a period of no relationship. So just me and it was just absolutely amazing because I actually felt what it felt like to be in my own vibration for the first time. Because we’re so relational. Everything’s about where am I in reference to the that, I can feel that therefore I can feel myself. Yes, it’s different to that rather than what is this feeling? So it was just Yeah, amazing period.


Bryn Edwards  [55:10]

Yes. And part of natural law as well, we are interdependent. So all parts are equal. And because we’re interdependent there is the relationship. The other parts of it are, each part plays a part in the whole. And each part is a reflection of the whole. So for me, it was spending that time in my part, my part as part of the whole part that reflects the whole as well.


Rebecca Dawson  [55:40]

Yeah, it’s actually really difficult to distinguish the personal from the collective experience right now. So anything that you’re experiencing within yourself is indicative of what’s happening collectively for humanity at this time, because we’re a reflection of the whole well, because we’re becoming also more conscious of yeah, this totality collective consciousness, or


Bryn Edwards  [56:00]

we can feel into the whole by just coming back into here. Not picking up the phone and doing.


Rebecca Dawson  [56:09]

Yes, oh, you can do both. You can can feel whole while you’re texting.


Bryn Edwards  [56:14]

You can obviously do scrolling. But yeah, that whole stage still is where then all of a sudden, new stuff.


Rebecca Dawson  [56:29]

Yes. New ways of feeling and seeing and sensing. And I have to say I don’t think I’ve ever been in such a sustained period of peace as I am now. And I think that’s because there’s been this incredible opportunity to just be with self. Yeah, thanks, COVID.


Bryn Edwards  [56:56]

It’s interesting, I often talk one of the things for me that I found most fascinating about COVID is right, so. So I went to school in England, right, and we do at 16. We do GCSEs. At you can do a levels, there are things you can do. But when I was they were the primary things were in pretty much the day you sat your math GCSE or your maths a level was the day that everybody else in the country was doing it your age. And they were looking at the same paper as you were looking at. So if you and I had sat the same math test, even now 2030 years on, we’d go up, we sat the same test. Yeah. How did you do? Not necessarily to compare, but then we’d know where we were. And I could, I could see where you were at that point. And you could see where I was at that point, right. But then when you leave school, you go out into the world. And there are not these feedback mechanisms. There are not these universally applied tests, there are not. So you never really know where everybody else is in the world. Right? You might, you might say to me, Oh, I’m going through a real drama around x y Zed, and I go last really interesting, because I had a drama that was x y, w, not quite the Zed, but we had the X Y that overlaps. That’s kind of the same, you know, and I might have gone into it six months before you and they start the other. And so we don’t, you don’t really know where you are in relation to everybody around you, you got a bit of a feel, but you’re not sure thing COVID came along. This has been like the exam where everybody had to set it at the same time. And it’s the same paper. Everybody’s got to do it. And not just individually. We didn’t just have to do it individually. We did have to do it individually. But we also had to do it collectively as groups and teams, right and families and things like that. But we also had to then go further. And we had to do it as as organisations and we had to do it as systems of structure and things like that. So it’s the things that have gone on within you the things that go on between you and the things that surround you. Everything. Everything had to sit the same test at the same time. And it’s fantastic because I sit back sometimes and go, well. What Mark Did everybody


Rebecca Dawson  [59:44]

see I call that a reset? Well, yes, because it’s standardisation,


Bryn Edwards  [59:49]

isn’t it? It does, but it also gives you the opportunity of going if we’re resetting where am I resetting from? What you talked about? It was the first time they properly properly back in your body in a movement class and Mark, the guy owns it, it’s reminds you that you’re always in your body. You’re never not in your body, you might go somewhere else. But you’re always in your body, you’re always travelling through time and space and your body with your sleep. And he reminds us that you come here for an hour and a half of focus time in your body to learn new movement patterns. But you’re always executing movement patterns. It never stops. Just because it’s the end of class and the start of class. It’s, you’re always in even when you’re asleep, you’re in your body


Rebecca Dawson  [1:00:39]

to question where your focus is. Yeah. But still, it’s


Bryn Edwards  [1:00:42]

always that, which is why it was easy for me to resonate with come back to your body, because that’s the grounding point. But your body as well, how much time you know, COVID? How much time have you spent in your body up to this point? How’s your rig doing? How’s your time? How’s how comfortable? Are you to spend time in your body by yourself? When the systems or structure have put you in one place? And you can’t go any further? So for me, it was it was a fantastic. Where are we right now. And then we look at teams, how many families have come through and have been stronger? How many families have gone? Because they were never there in the first place? And then we look at our systems of structure, you know, how have they done? Well. This sums up my frustration throughout the whole of this, you know, if we look at Western Australia alone, everything was control. The prime minister would talk and then the chief of police would talk why the chief of police force you to do? Did we come out of it with greater existential strength as in, right, we’re going into a period of unknown that we’ve never dealt with before in the way that we’ve done it. So let’s all come together. And let’s see how we can work with unknown. You know, we’re going to spend some time and we’re going to force COVID out, right? And in that time, it’s an opportunity for you to become more connected with your body and do what you need to do with your body because it’s going to because something’s coming in it. So did we do that? Imagine what life would have been like, now, if we actively used what we did. That would be fun. That would be exciting.


Rebecca Dawson  [1:02:40]

Yeah. I feel as though that the mechanism where


Bryn Edwards  [1:02:42]

we are where we are. Yeah. And it just is what it is. It’s all part of source.


Rebecca Dawson  [1:02:47]

And I think the unpredictability of how the the goalposts kept shifting and the rules kept shifting, although it was frustrating was fantastic. It was because we couldn’t do anything.


Bryn Edwards  [1:02:59]

Yes. We gave up planning.


Rebecca Dawson  [1:03:05]

So that was yeah, that was an art in itself, wasn’t it? Not being able to plan anything and studying to learn to be okay with that? Present leaving


Bryn Edwards  [1:03:23]

an empty void. Yes. Is there anything that I haven’t asked you that we should be talking about?


Rebecca Dawson  [1:03:30]

Just enjoying our conversation? Actually, thank you. Always flip


Bryn Edwards  [1:03:34]

it around. If you’ve got any questions for me?


Rebecca Dawson  [1:03:38]

Well, I would ask you how how difficult or easier you finding it to start to think about now creating new trajectories about what you want to do and planning for the future. Are you finding it a challenge to do that now since COVID? Or are you finding that there’s a renewed impetus to start to plan things? How’s that working for you?


Bryn Edwards  [1:04:00]

When I try to plan things in a way that I would have done pre COVID I find I struggle to concentrate. And I become easily distracted. And it goes when I allow things to emerge, then threads start and magic starts to happen


Rebecca Dawson  [1:04:39]

is the natural law. I love it. Summed up beautifully. Thank you, Brandon.


Bryn Edwards  [1:04:48]

No, no, just say performing sale on the podcast. No, genuinely. Yeah, genuine


Rebecca Dawson  [1:04:56]

Yeah, that’s it. That’s the demonstration of


Bryn Edwards  [1:04:58]

i just i I genuinely my body gives me this incredible piece of feedback where certain things because it’s because it’s difficult to sum up the nuance that we’ve gone into, in different areas of my life, because I haven’t got half an hour to explain everything, so to speak as to why I’m not going to be participating in this planning exercise. I sometimes take a shortcut and just say, You know what, as far as this is concerned, I’ve broken my given foot bone. Right? And oh, right. Okay, that’s pretty strange coming from you. Normally, you can apply yourself with a lot of force and vigour to most things. But now, it’s just I genuinely I nothing,


Rebecca Dawson  [1:05:52]

because now, you know, spontaneous creation is the most fruitful creation it is. and amazing things happen in the present moment that are in a richness and fullness that we couldn’t have planned for. But when we try to plan, you know, sequentially, things slower than they used to be. Yeah, it’s almost slowing it down in some way, instead of giving it space to emerge. So instead of pushing that ball along, we’re actually just creating a space for the ball to be, and then something new and different happens.


Bryn Edwards  [1:06:32]

And so, yeah, I’m just getting this incredible, physical, emotional mental feedback of where I’m going and where I’m not. And, as, as you say, the stuff that is evolved with continually emerging and unfolding, and creating in front of me is as exciting and the energy goes there. And then when I put my attention to it, I can sustain it for periods of time, and then it has natural finishes. Yeah, then I have to leave it alone. Yes, then I have to leave it. And if I try and force it more, because it because this is cool, this is fun. And I want some more than it’s. And then you go back to this light blanked out phase in front of a computer screen for a while. And it’s like, well, I’ve just wasted two hours.


Rebecca Dawson  [1:07:28]

Yeah, let’s go for a walk the same way that I do things. So I did have some some help for some years, and how to set things up and how to how to, you know, do marketing and how to set up a website, remember? And I just found it really difficult to sustain energy for that. And now, if there’s something there to be expressed, bam, I’ll do it. If the energy is not there. I don’t engage because I can’t force it. Well, I’ve done a lot in the first half of this year, but I’m pretty sure that the second half of this year, I’m probably not going to be producing a lot of content, because I’ve just done so much already this year, because the energy was there for it. But I’m certainly not consistent in output.


Bryn Edwards  [1:08:12]

So now you’re working in. In your flow? I am yeah, you’re working in your you feel your cycle. You feel your rhythm.


Rebecca Dawson  [1:08:24]

It’s not even a cycle. Yeah, it’s an unpredictable pulse of I want to engage and create something. There’s nothing going on in here at all. Yeah. Yeah. No point me sitting here looking at the list of things to do. If there’s no energy to do any of it. I’ll just go do something else.


Bryn Edwards  [1:08:44]

And this is interesting, because what is pulling me in now is putting the human back, well, putting the human at the centre of Team teamwork and group work, putting the team putting the human back at the centre of organisations in the whitespace.


Rebecca Dawson  [1:09:06]

Yeah, that’s important because the new systems on the planet are going to be human systems. Yeah, at the moment, we’re humans that exist within System. Yes. And they are not sustained


Bryn Edwards  [1:09:17]

human and life are not the central organising principle. Something collapses


Rebecca Dawson  [1:09:23]

Yeah. So that they need to become systems of resonant humans, and I’m actually doing some work around that at the moment. Certainly people so yeah, that’s gonna be more fruitful for our planet. I think.


Bryn Edwards  [1:09:37]

This has been a great Oh, wait. Oh, wait. Is there anything else we’ve not? Well, there’s always more well, there’s always the


Rebecca Dawson  [1:09:50]

perhaps in another time


Bryn Edwards  [1:09:52]

for the conference. No, I think. Yeah. I’ve enjoyed With the compensation because it’s been based on the book without was just going. And then in chapter six, that was fun.


Rebecca Dawson  [1:10:06]

That would require me to read it. Have you read it? No,


Bryn Edwards  [1:10:13]

  1. Just check it out.


Rebecca Dawson  [1:10:15]

I produce it. I do about five rounds of editing with an with an editor. Yeah. And then I don’t read it. I did pick it up last night because I thought, oh, gosh, Brian’s going to talk to me about this book. And I printed up to a few pages and read a few pages before I went to sleep. But I have not read the book from start to finish. I never read my books. Yeah. Because the energy with which they’re created is very different from going back and visiting. Yeah.


Bryn Edwards  [1:10:43]

Why would you be reading them now?


Rebecca Dawson  [1:10:45]

Because I just only clog up because I just burn. clog up the void. Give them away.


Bryn Edwards  [1:10:57]

It’s been a lot of fun.


Rebecca Dawson  [1:10:59]

As always, always, thank you for having me.


Bryn Edwards  [1:11:03]

Thank you. And so one of the questions I like to ask my guests at the end, is if you could chill everyone out on the planet, and they all had to sit down and consider a question which you’ve just uploaded into the collective consciousness. Will it be


Rebecca Dawson  [1:11:27]

Where are you it’s never wait, you think? Gold,


Bryn Edwards  [1:11:44]

gold. Thanks very much. Thank


Rebecca Dawson  [1:11:46]

you for being with you again. Magic

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